Probably a bit better than DMC3, not as good as DMC4 overall definitely not as good as DMC1. There are a couple of enemies that are really good however some enemies have gimmick that bring the whole experience down. Plus a ton of enemies have this mechanical look to them which really homogenizes the overall design of the various enemies.
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Riposte
Member
I think you might be overrating this game (and wouldn't be surprised if you are down on it later), but I'll give it a lot on PC.
MuddyDonut
Member
I think he is talking about the enemies.
He's talking specifically about the enemies in each entry. However, if we count bosses along with enemies, I think DMC3 is a clear winner over DmC.
Is there there a reason you're going into the game with a negative preconception? Thinking a very neutral criticism like dahbombs to be overrating the game is to already have something in mind.
Funchameleon
Banned
None of the negative reviews really touch on the serious problems with the combat 
It sucks that lovers of this genre are at such a minority they can't find representation in the gaming press. You wouldn't be too hard pressed to find a mainstream review that discusses the (over?)simplification of the just about any other genre. Even fighting games are generally more understood.
I just realised the BEST series analogy for this. Everyone keeps comparing it to things like Dragon Age 2 and other games that were objectively super broken, but I think it's most comparable to Civilization 5. Civ5 kept the essence of what made a civ game and introduced it to a huge new audience, but didn't have the extreme long-term appeal or depth of the previous entries; and this didn't matter to a huge swathe of players and journos. Civ5 had/has its share of vitriolic discussion to very similar ends.
It sucks that lovers of this genre are at such a minority they can't find representation in the gaming press. You wouldn't be too hard pressed to find a mainstream review that discusses the (over?)simplification of the just about any other genre. Even fighting games are generally more understood.I just realised the BEST series analogy for this. Everyone keeps comparing it to things like Dragon Age 2 and other games that were objectively super broken, but I think it's most comparable to Civilization 5. Civ5 kept the essence of what made a civ game and introduced it to a huge new audience, but didn't have the extreme long-term appeal or depth of the previous entries; and this didn't matter to a huge swathe of players and journos. Civ5 had/has its share of vitriolic discussion to very similar ends.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So it seems a good majority of reviews for this game are out. It's sitting at around a 8.6 metacritic. I guess that's what most people expected. Only DMC1 and DMC3SE are higher. Ultimately, I think - as a hardcore DMC fan I find this reasonable. That is to say, DMC1>DMC3>DmC>DMC4>DMC2. DMC4, I've said before has the world's greatest character combat, but it's a shit game through and through on everything else.
MuddyDonut
Member
Well DMC3SE is a re release so DmC is better than Devil May Cry 3. DMC3 is also sitting at the same score as that shit game DMC4. Metacritic exposing the truth that the blind fanboys can't handle.
that hurt to say
AwakenedCloud
Member
I'd really love to the the traffic GB is getting between the review and the quick look. Eagerly awaiting the PC release, and hope some new tech comes out soon.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
I'd really love to the the traffic GB is getting between the review and the quick look. Eagerly awaiting the PC release, and hope some new tech comes out soon.
This guy has been working on some stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cikn_I6-AU
haven't really searched for anything else. It's probably best to wait a bit.
Don't think so. I think even those who took a wait and see approach couldn't see it coming this far.
Doctor Decimate
Member
3.4......the immature shitbiscuits on Metacritic user reviews strike again
i wonder if the editors of that site still do features that treat the user reviews like an accurate measure of anything, or if they wised up.
i wonder if the editors of that site still do features that treat the user reviews like an accurate measure of anything, or if they wised up.
BeautifulMemory
Member
Nothing to feel bad about. Their PR antagonized an already on edge fan base on multiple occassions.They now have made a good game, and I think the good product will win out in the long run
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I can't comprehend how this is an issue in a game that depends 100% on its combat, if the other elements somehow impeded the combat it would be an issue but they don't. It's akin to claiming Geometary Wars should lose points for having lack-lustre level design and no story.
Fimbulvetr
Member
If getting shit on is the greatest possible downside then I'd say it was definitely worth it for NT. They finally got some experience making better than "eh" games(which they will hopefully carry on to future projects), and there's a chance for one of their games to actually sell well(I know HS did at least 1 million, but I have no idea how big that is relative to the game's budget).
I was expecting low 90s.
Getting a chance to work on DMC and reap rewards of working an established brand has to be a huge step up from trying to start a new brand. Especially with Namco.
Getting a chance to work on DMC and reap rewards of working an established brand has to be a huge step up from trying to start a new brand. Especially with Namco.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Why is Vinny clean shaven but Brad is allowed to have that thing on his face? There is no justice at the GB.I'd really love to the the traffic GB is getting between the review and the quick look. Eagerly awaiting the PC release, and hope some new tech comes out soon.
Uh, on topic... expectations can doom a game before it's even released. Or in some cases, give it a boost. If DmC had Capcpom's name on it instead of NT's there would have been hell to pay on review day.
I still want an actual response from JehutyRunner. I want to hear why the article was proof that the writer of the article was one of the best writers he's ever known, rather than cementing that they are incapable of generating anything of value.
This isn't about DmC, this is about linking to an article you may very well know is of poor quality and bailing when people want to know why you thought it was an example of quality games journalism.
Diablo Rosso
Member
I know who JehutyRunner is and he was sticking up for Lauren Wainwright through the whole Doritosgate scandal.
Unless he posts why he thought the article wasn't just flame bait for hits, I'm choosing to believe that he was helping a friend get some attention for an article he knew was a worthless article.
Just watched the Giant Bomb Quick Look of this game, and I feel like they were a lot more respectful of what this game is and what that means for the fanbase than any of the reviews of seen so far, including Brad's own review oddly. Basically they say that if you were expecting a game with ALL the technical depth of the previous games, this is not that game, but there's enough going on in the combat system to be enjoyable and deep without being impenetrable for newcomers.
I can appreciate that, even if I'm not a fan of the series moving in that direction. Certainly I appreciate Brad not trying to pretend that the combat in this game is either exactly the same or a massive improvement over previous entries, as so many other reviewers have attempted to do ("See look, you can combo in the air and switch weapons on the fly while building your combo meter, so clearly the combat system is every bit as good as DMC3"). And I especially appreciate that they didn't try to pretend that fans of the DMC series had no reason to dislike this game outside of hair color.
However, one thing they said that really bugged me was when they basically said "If you want an old DMC style game, play Bayonetta 2 and just get over the fact that that Capcom isn't making this series for DMC fans anymore."
I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm asking for the Moon to want there to be two actually good series in a genre I like. I understand that I can't force Capcom to make games for an audience that it seems to consider worth its time. But at the same time I don't have to be happy about it either.
I can appreciate that, even if I'm not a fan of the series moving in that direction. Certainly I appreciate Brad not trying to pretend that the combat in this game is either exactly the same or a massive improvement over previous entries, as so many other reviewers have attempted to do ("See look, you can combo in the air and switch weapons on the fly while building your combo meter, so clearly the combat system is every bit as good as DMC3"). And I especially appreciate that they didn't try to pretend that fans of the DMC series had no reason to dislike this game outside of hair color.
However, one thing they said that really bugged me was when they basically said "If you want an old DMC style game, play Bayonetta 2 and just get over the fact that that Capcom isn't making this series for DMC fans anymore."
I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm asking for the Moon to want there to be two actually good series in a genre I like. I understand that I can't force Capcom to make games for an audience that it seems to consider worth its time. But at the same time I don't have to be happy about it either.
This is why I think this game might be for me. I liked what I saw in the quick look, and what they said made sense...on some levels. I have no nostalgia, or attachment to the previous DMC games. I never was able to get into them from day 1. Didn't really like the first one much when it came out...never played 2, and I could barely beat the first boss in DMC3. Tried DMC4, and I found myself getting bored with it. It's just never hooked me at all. It's not like these kind of games are impenetrable to me either. I love Bayonetta for instance. So I picked this new DMC game up today, against my usual instincts because it sounds like something I might enjoy.
That being said, I still am not really a fan of how Capcom approached this at all. I understand, you want to get a bigger audience, and get that big bucks, so you reboot the franchise Star Trek style...but the entire time this game was in development, I felt like Capcom constantly said "Fuck you" to their fans. I don't care if I end up liking this game, the design for Dante still fucking sucks, and looks like something out of Twilight. You don't make your lead character look like something that will not appeal to ANY of your audience. I really just hate it, it's a horrible design, and I never liked seeing it even when I play PS All Stars Battle Royale.
None of the negative reviews really touch on the serious problems with the combat
I just realised the BEST series analogy for this. Everyone keeps comparing it to things like Dragon Age 2 and other games that were objectively super broken, but I think it's most comparable to Civilization 5. Civ5 kept the essence of what made a civ game and introduced it to a huge new audience, but didn't have the extreme long-term appeal or depth of the previous entries; and this didn't matter to a huge swathe of players and journos. Civ5 had/has its share of vitriolic discussion to very similar ends.
I can see where you coming from, but part of it's just game design evolving, I'm not sure the parallelism with other genres you are drawing are quite accurate.
Note aside: As for the Giantbom hate on brad's DMC review, its pathetic and funny in an ironic way. I think some of the disagreement might have some reasoning and truth behind it, getting all upset and aggressive because of it.. well that's just..
Exactly this. Its been apparent known for months that this was probably going to be a pretty good game, if not necessarily a great DMC game. But the whole history of this game from reveal to release has been a series of "Fuck you"s from Capcom and Ninja theory (not to mention "Fuck you" has been the most used line of in-game dialogue/text in all of the promotional material). I'm not exactly lining up to give either of them my business after all of that. I'll probably pick this game up during a Steam sale sometime down the road, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it well enough for what it is.
I just hope that if and when they choose to continue this version of the franchise, they learn some lessons from this game and make some much needed improvements in the sequel. There are a few things that need to be fixed with the combat aside from obviously needing a solid 60 fps next time
(no more color coded enemies, and bring back the goddamn lock-on)
begrudgingly
If I was hit with nothing but hate from the get go I'd be telling people to go fuck themselves too.
XANDER CAGE
Member
DMC4's level design absolutely hampers its excellent gameplay. The combat is fantastic but the level design is not only uninspired, but repeated twice (not to mention the boss fights). The levels, enemies, and bosses become a chore to fight for people like me who are interested in the combo system but aren't hype enough to, y'know, just dedicate ourselves to that.
If Gran Turismo or Forza had fantastic driving but only three go-kart tracks or something it'd be equally disappointing.
Lowlander2
Banned
My editor actually decided to hand the review over to me, so here is The Gaming Vault's 8/10 review of the new Devil May Cry.
Both of them have done it.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Yeah. DMC games shouldn't have puzzles in them. Unless you're Production Studio 4. Which no longer exists.
Angry Joe DmC Review 7/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o4NaBrFkiDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o4NaBrFkiDo
MuddyDonut
Member
I agree with all of this. I noticed Jeff was trying his best to stay neutral, for the most part, and Patrick was trying to offset it...luckily it didn't work.
Haven't been in this thread in awhile. Just breezed through a few pages. Saw someone saying DmC was better than DMC4. No hope for humanity. Are people serious about the platforming/environment/stage design in DmC being so astronomically better than DMC4? Really? That shitty, 2000-era platforming really makes the difference for some people, eh? I can't deal.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That is the most depressing post I've read on the gaming side in a long time.