Spiegel said:That PS2 number seems strangely low
You have to consider the number of games released on Ps2 and then how many of those actually made it to 10K copies.
Spiegel said:That PS2 number seems strangely low
gtj1092 said:You have to consider the number of games released on Ps2 and then how many of those actually made it to 10K copies.
Spiegel said:Yeah, but looking at the end of this list: http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=SalesLTD+DESC
Total known sales are: ~173,000k. That's 100,000k more.
Stormbringer said:
That is exactly how I read the descriptions on the slide, but I was pretty sure I could replace these descriptions by the ones I put... but in retrospect, that was pretty inconsiderate of me to take this shortcut, yeah... Going to correct it right now. Sorry for the misunderstanding, everyone.alske said:You can't do that. The columns in the actual slide are:
- Average Sales.
- Average Sales without 1st Party.
- How much 2 differs from 1. <- NOT average first party sales.
It's the same for both charts.
Stormbringer said:This number is actually repeated in three different graphs :
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20080905/gf02.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20080905/gf03.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20080905/gf04.htm
Their source is official so this is indeed pretty weird...
Maybe there are other factors related to these numbers (like the time frame encompassing these sales) ? Just to be sure, I'm going to look out for anything I might have missed in the article and graphs, though so far there any additional, major infos about these figures.
Thanks a lot for pointing this out, anyway.
This is entirely possible. But were could we find this precise number ? I guess there is always the PS2 software sales until now and the PS2 software sales at the end of 2004 to verify this.Spiegel said:Maybe they only count games released after the DS launch
Stormbringer said:This is entirely possible. But I guess we would need no less than the PS2 software sales at the end of 2004 to verify this...
Anyway, I would've never imagined that the numbers I posted would bring in more questions than answers...
Wow...I bow before your internet using skills ( as well as Joshua awesome site). Thanks for that. Makes a lot of sense now.Spiegel said:http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=SalesLTD+DESC
Total sales since 2004-11-21 (DS launch): 68,780,455
http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=SalesLTD+DESC
SCE sales: 4,802,653
It makes sense now
Pretty much, yeah. Problem is, these figures will tend to scare them more than they will encourage them to step up (self-fulfilling prophecy, and all that), as this has been surely explained many time over the numerous "Wii and the 3rd party in Japan" arguments these MC threads had.viciouskillersquirrel said:The Wii numbers are just shameful. Lift your game, 3rd parties!
Stormbringer said:Wow...I bow before your internet using skills ( as well as Joshua awesome site). Thanks for that. Makes a lot of sense now.
PS2 68780455/71011000=96.8%
PS3 5619036/6211000=90.4%
X360 2952076/3047000=96.8%
Wii 21711416/22513000=96.4%
DS 98491256/103342000=95.3%
PSP 21432766/23358000=91.7%
Total: 95.4%
Stumpokapow said:This is pretty damn good news.
Code:PS2 68780455/71011000=96.8% PS3 5619036/6211000=90.4% X360 2952076/3047000=96.8% Wii 21711416/22513000=96.4% DS 98491256/103342000=95.3% PSP 21432766/23358000=91.7% Total: 95.4%
Even taking into account the fact that those numbers are a little older than the numbers we're working with, it's still pretty much guaranteed that Josh's database accounts for 90-95% of all game sales in Japan since the DS launch! I'd go so far as to say that given the effective range of its data, Garaph is probably more complete than any gaming sales resource ever.
That's downright excellent, especially given that very little money has ever changed hands to make all this possible.
Jonnyram said::lol maybe he should start adding 5% to all the numbers then selling it as his own research.
Jonnyram said::lol maybe he should start adding 5% to all the numbers then selling it as his own research.
Stumpokapow said:I'd go so far as to say that given the effective range of its data, Garaph is probably more complete than any gaming sales resource ever.
Jonnyram said::lol maybe he should start adding 5% to all the numbers then selling it as his own research.
Actually, I think there's a slightly better way to do this--though without reading the article I'm not positive whether your way or my way is closer to what these numbers are supposed to be. What you've done shows the sales only for games released beyond a certain point. What I'm going to do should also include the later-day sales of earlier games:Spiegel said:http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...price1=&price2=&gameid=&orderby=SalesLTD+DESC
Total sales since 2004-11-21 (DS launch): 68,780,455
king zell said:09/1 - 09/7
Famitsu Top 10
1. NDS Rhythm Tengoku Gold (Nintendo)
2. WII Wii Fit (Nintendo)
3. NDS Blue Dragon (AQ)
4. NDS Fire Emblem: New Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light (Nintendo)
5. PS2 J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (Konami)
6. PS3 Afrika (SCEI)
7. PSP Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA)
8. NDS Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (Nintendo)
9. WII Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
10. NDS Inazuma Eleven (Level 5)
http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/sokuho/1217961_1796.html
DSL: 49.000
PSP: 33.000
WII: 29.000
PS3: 8.500
PS2: 7.800
360: 840
1. Rhythm Tengoku Gold (NDS) 46.000 [672.000]
2. Wii Fit (Wii) 27.000 [2.543.000]
3. Blue Dragon Plus (NDS) 25.000 [25.000]
4. Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken (NDS) 16.000 [220.000]
5. J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (PS2) 16.000 [129.000]
6. Afrika (PS3) 14.000 [50.000]
7. Phantasy Star Portable (PSP) 14.000 [586.000]
8. Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (NDS) 14.000 [315.000]
9. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) 13.000 [1.706.000]
10. Inazuma Eleven (NDS) 13.000 [79.000]
11. Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (NDS) 12.000 [1.131.000]
12. Meccha Taiko Drum Master DS: Adventure in Seven Islands (NDS) 8.600 [327.000]
13. Wii Sports (Wii) 7.400 [3.121.000]
14. Battlefield Bad Company (PS3) 7.100 [29.000]
15. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP) 6.500 [2.411.000]
16.
17. Mario Kart DS (NDS) 5.700 [3.195.000]
18. Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin (360) 5.200 [5.200]
19. Fatal Frame IV (Wii) 5.100 [63.000]
20. Wii Play (Wii) 5.000 [2.472.000]
21. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (PS2) 4.900 [196.000]
22. Sigma Harmonics (NDS) 4.700 [39.000]
23. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS) 4.200 [5.274.000]
24. We're Fossil Diggers (NDS) 4.000 [207.000]
25. Derby Stallion DS (NDS) 3.800 [258.000]
26. Beautiful Letter Training DS (NDS) 3.700 [370.000]
27. Taiko Drum Master DS (NDS) 3.700 [465.000]
28. Animal Crossing: Wild World (NDS) 3.700 [4.727.000]
29. Wario Land Shake (Wii) 3.600 [92.000]
30. Zettai Karen Children DS: Dai-4 no Children (NDS) 3.300 [3.300]
xx. Chi's Sweet Home: Chi ga Ouchi ni Yatte Kita! (NDS) 2.900
xx. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PlayStation 3 the Best) (PS3) 1.800
xx. Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII International (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 1.700
xx. Drag On Dragoon 2: Fuuin no Kurenai, Haitoku no Kuro (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 750
xx. Drag-on Dragoon (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 700
Captain Smoker said:xx. チーズ (whats this? Sorry, can´t translate it) 2.900
Captain Smoker said:Top30. 8)
Yeah, that was my problem, damn Google Translate. xDreminder said:Chi's Sweet Home: Chi ga Ouchi ni Yatte Kita!
It's funny that the title seems to translate to "cheese" instead of "Chi's" :lol
Probably two weeks away for FF3. Still has 6000 to go. But with two more slow weeks, we might actually see it happen.Stumpokapow said:Fire Emblem DS will pass Sacred Stones next week and should easily pass the one we got as "Fire Emblem" for the GBA.
Fatal Frame will pass both FF2 and FF3 next week to become the best-selling installment of the game.
Inazuma Eleven didn't hold.
Captain Smoker said:DSL: 49.000
PSP: 33.000
WII: 29.000
PS3: 8.500
PS2: 7.800
360: 840
1. Rhythm Tengoku Gold (NDS) 46.000 [672.000]
2. Wii Fit (Wii) 27.000 [2.543.000]
3. Blue Dragon Plus (NDS) 25.000 [25.000]
4. Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken (NDS) 16.000 [220.000]
5. J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (PS2) 16.000 [129.000]
6. Afrika (PS3) 14.000 [50.000]
7. Phantasy Star Portable (PSP) 14.000 [586.000]
8. Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (NDS) 14.000 [315.000]
9. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) 13.000 [1.706.000]
10. Inazuma Eleven (NDS) 13.000 [79.000]
11. Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (NDS) 12.000 [1.131.000]
12. Meccha Taiko Drum Master DS: Adventure in Seven Islands (NDS) 8.600 [327.000]
13. Wii Sports (Wii) 7.400 [3.121.000]
14. Battlefield Bad Company (PS3) 7.100 [29.000]
15. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP) 6.500 [2.411.000]
16.
17. Mario Kart DS (NDS) 5.700 [3.195.000]
18. Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin (360) 5.200 [5.200]
19. Fatal Frame IV (Wii) 5.100 [63.000]
20. Wii Play (Wii) 5.000 [2.472.000]
21. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (PS2) 4.900 [196.000]
22. Sigma Harmonics (NDS) 4.700 [39.000]
23. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS) 4.200 [5.274.000]
24. We're Fossil Diggers (NDS) 4.000 [207.000]
25. Derby Stallion DS (NDS) 3.800 [258.000]
26. Beautiful Letter Training DS (NDS) 3.700 [370.000]
27. Taiko Drum Master DS (NDS) 3.700 [465.000]
28. Animal Crossing: Wild World (NDS) 3.700 [4.727.000]
29. Wario Land Shake (Wii) 3.600 [92.000]
30. Zettai Karen Children DS: Dai-4 no Children (NDS) 3.300 [3.300]
xx. Chi's Sweet Home: Chi ga Ouchi ni Yatte Kita! (NDS) 2.900
xx. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PlayStation 3 the Best) (PS3) 1.800
xx. Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII International (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 1.700
xx. Drag On Dragoon 2: Fuuin no Kurenai, Haitoku no Kuro (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 750
xx. Drag-on Dragoon (Ultimate Hits) (PS2) 700
Stumpokapow said:Inazuma Eleven didn't hold.
That´s the japanese original:RpgN said:The total numbers for Phantasy Star Portable aren't right. At least 2 weeks have passed with the same total numbers. Or is it just me?
Pretty slow week for software and hardware. Hang in there Sigma Harmonics
Thanks for the numbers!Captain Smoker said:Top30. 8)
Captain Smoker said:That´s the japanese original:
1.リズ天G 46000 672000
2.WiiFit 27000 2543000
3.ブルドラ+ 25000
4.FEDS 16000 220000
5.Jウイイレ 16000 129000
6.アフリカ 14000 50000
7.PSポ 14000 586000 [= Phantasy Star Portable]
8.バンデラ 14000 315000
9.マリカWii 13000 1706000
10.イナズマ 13000 79000
Should be right. ^^
Has the price drop hit yet? Either everyone is waiting for that or, it is indeed out of stock. It was averaging around 5k per week even before Tales.Segata Sanshiro said:Lol, that is one hella-out of stock 360 right there.
Price has dropped now. It's definitely sold out in stores, there's little disputing that anecdotally. Even used ones are a bit hard to come by, as I think people who bought for Tales are largely hanging on for IU before they sell it back.pswii60 said:Has the price drop hit yet? Either everyone is waiting for that or, it is indeed out of stock. It was averaging around 5k per week even before Tales.
EDIT: It seems stock will be replenished from tomorrow, when the 60GB 360s finally arrive in Japan.
Captain Smoker said:Rythm Tengoku should the 23th million seller on the NDS.
Dragon Quest VI and Dragon Quest IX should be million sellers too = 25 million sellers
Captain Smoker said:Rythm Tengoku should the 23th million seller on the NDS.
Dragon Quest VI and Dragon Quest IX should be million sellers too = 25 million sellers
I wonder if the DS is going to overtake the SNES (= 28 million sellers). ^^