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Trump: Healthcare bill will be revised to gain GOP support for Thursday vote

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aspaceman55

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Ganhyun said:
I have an idea to fix the healthcare issue.

We already have medicare for the elderly. We have medicaid or some form for the poor.

take 10% of the military budget and cut it out of that total and free it up. Using 2015 numbers taken from wikipedia, thats roughly 63 billion.


Now, take medicaid. expand it to be for everyone. roll medicare into it so its all one program. Name it whatever you want. Both of these are already federal level programs, so leave the one program a federal level program and let the govt negotiate prices like they already do with those two.

Use that 63 billion to help transition and add it to the yearly budget going forward. Then, people can choose to either pay into a private healthcare plan like they do now, or into the medicaid plan. That way its not a new tax on people since everyone already pays into medicare/medicaid anyway and people are already used to paying premiums anyway. That premium would instead go into the public plan, or continue using whatever private plan they wanted.

I imagine I left out all kinds of things, but as I don't know everything needed, I just went with a general idea.
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This is called single-payer healthcare. It was what Obama probably wanted to do originally. Republicans hate this notion. Hate it so much they would all burn the capital building down before even talking about such a bill.

It's pretty favorable in polls though, so maybe someday.
 
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Iolo

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Ganhyun said:
I have an idea to fix the healthcare issue.

We already have medicare for the elderly. We have medicaid or some form for the poor.

take 10% of the military budget and cut it out of that total and free it up. Using 2015 numbers taken from wikipedia, thats roughly 63 billion.


Now, take medicaid. expand it to be for everyone. roll medicare into it so its all one program. Name it whatever you want. Both of these are already federal level programs, so leave the one program a federal level program and let the govt negotiate prices like they already do with those two.

Use that 63 billion to help transition and add it to the yearly budget going forward. Then, people can choose to either pay into a private healthcare plan like they do now, or into the medicaid plan. That way its not a new tax on people since everyone already pays into medicare/medicaid anyway and people are already used to paying premiums anyway. That premium would instead go into the public plan, or continue using whatever private plan they wanted.

I imagine I left out all kinds of things, but as I don't know everything needed, I just went with a general idea.
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This was the "public option" that would have been part of the ACA except for literally one vote in the Senate, when Democrats had 60 seats. It had to be scrapped to get that last vote.

This is how hard health care is, and ironically what the Republicans are finding now that they are trying to repeal it (with only 50 votes needed!)
 
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Beartruck

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BoogieWoogie said:
I thought they needed more votes if it doesn't hit a certain deadline, effectively killing it completely?
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They have until April 15 to do it via budgetary processes, which only need 51 senate votes. After that, they'll need 60, and democrats will never get on board.
 
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fixedpoint

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Ganhyun said:
I have an idea to fix the healthcare issue.

We already have medicare for the elderly. We have medicaid or some form for the poor.

take 10% of the military budget and cut it out of that total and free it up. Using 2015 numbers taken from wikipedia, thats roughly 63 billion.


Now, take medicaid. expand it to be for everyone. roll medicare into it so its all one program. Name it whatever you want. Both of these are already federal level programs, so leave the one program a federal level program and let the govt negotiate prices like they already do with those two.

Use that 63 billion to help transition and add it to the yearly budget going forward. Then, people can choose to either pay into a private healthcare plan like they do now, or into the medicaid plan. That way its not a new tax on people since everyone already pays into medicare/medicaid anyway and people are already used to paying premiums anyway. That premium would instead go into the public plan, or continue using whatever private plan they wanted.

I imagine I left out all kinds of things, but as I don't know everything needed, I just went with a general idea.
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Yep.

Iolo said:
This was the "public option" that would have been part of the ACA except for literally one vote in the Senate, when Democrats had 60 seats. It had to be scrapped to get that last vote.

This is how hard health care is, and ironically what the Republicans are finding now that they are trying to repeal it (with only 50 votes needed!)
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Thanks again Lieberman. I wonder what he's up to these days?
http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/donald-trump-chooses-biglaw-firm-to-fight-new-york-times-over-publication-of-tax-documents/
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/19/14294758/joe-lieberman-triumphant-return
 
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Bishman

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Beartruck said:
They have until April 15 to do it via budgetary processes, which only need 51 senate votes. After that, they'll need 60, and democrats will never get on board.
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Rep. Lou Barletta‏
@RepLouBarletta

Due to my concern over lack of verification that tax credits won't go to people unlawfully in US, I can't support AHCA in its current form.
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Robert Costa
@costareports

“Negotiation begins in real earnest in the next 24 hours or so once they discover they don’t have the votes.” -Sen. Paul
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ROFL this bill is going to flop so hard. "The Art of the Deal" huh?
 
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BoogieWoogie

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Oh boy, I can't wait for Trump to start tweeting about individual congressmen, fracturing the party even further.

By our @NBCNews count, 26 House Republicans are now OPPOSED/STRONG LEAN NO on GOP healthcare bill... can only afford to lose 21 votes
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Xe4

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Chuck_Roz said:
This is called single-payer healthcare. It was what Obama probably wanted to do originally. Republicans hate this notion. Hate it so much they would all burn the capital building down before even talking about such a bill.

It's pretty favorable in polls though, so maybe someday.
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Not single payer, the public option. Single payer would be if everybody was rolled into the Medicare expansion, and had no private options available.
 
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DonShula

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studyguy said:
wat? I don't even... but okay thanks for the no vote?
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This is on another level. "I'd love to repeal Obamacare to make my constituents happy, even though it would be bad for my constituents, but I can't because doing so would maybe allow illegal brown people to get health care money, so I'm against repeal for now, which I assume is OK with my constituents because I'm kicking dirt on illegal brown people, even though I told them Obamacare was super bad and theoretically I should prioritize saving them from it over spiting immigrants."
 
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Bishman

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BoogieWoogie said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for Trump to start tweeting about individual congressmen, fracturing the party even further.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/buying-appetite-returns-to-global-markets-1490063629?mod=e2tw#livefyre-toggle-SB11603728370429183552404583035453143240708

U.S. stocks, the dollar and government-bond yields pulled back Tuesday, as major indexes headed toward one of their steepest declines of the year.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 216 points, or 1%, to 20689, on course for its worst day since October. The S&P 500 fell 1.2% and the Nasdaq Composite was down 1.6%.
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Many also say the prospect that House Republicans will be unable to gather the votes they need this week to dismantle the Affordable Care Act is adding to doubts that Mr. Trump will be able to push through tax cuts. That could put further pressure on stocks that have been trading near records and at historically high valuations.

“People are nervous that if the health-care bill doesn’t pass—and right now it doesn’t look like it will—what it means for other policies,” said Ian Winer, head of equities trading at Wedbush Securities. “People are in this market for the big tax overhaul. If they don’t get health care done, taxes aren’t happening, and the longer you wait for tax reform the less exciting the market is.”
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The stock market thinks the bill won't pass. Trump is screwed.
 
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MazeHaze

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Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
 
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Joe Shlabotnik

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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Big gummint
 
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Quixzlizx

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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Job-killing socialism.

And brown people will cheat the system.
 
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Vestal

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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They oppose any and all Government intervention in Healthcare, except if you are a woman, then they want government to invade your womb.
 
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DonShula

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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"Government always does things worse than the private sector because something something free market capitalism so don't trust your healthcare to incompetence."
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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The government has more power to negotiate prices for people under a public option plan, which translates to less money for insurance, pharma, etc, and republicans will never do anything that cuts costs.
 
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Mighty Chin

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So the party where 40% of them won't support Healthcare and 60% who don't want to support Healthcare are going to come to an agreement on Healthcare.
 
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MazeHaze

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Quixzlizx said:
Job-killing socialism.

And brown people will cheat the system.
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It just all seems so stupid. Like yeah my current job has healthcare that is way better than medicaid, but my previous job (Dominos) offered way worse healthcare than medicaid (huge deductible and a cap of like 5k or something ridiculous) Seems like a no-brainer to let people pay for good plans but be able rely on medicaid until they can afford these good plans. I know Dominos was only offering their bullshit healthcare so they wouldn't get fined for not offering healthcare. They intentionally made it shitty as fuck so nobody would want it.
 
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zelas

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I hope liberal democrats who didn't show up in 2016 are paying very close attention to what the Freedom Caucas is doing.
 
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Mr. Wonderful

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Ac30 said:
EDIT: It's kind of entertaining how we were all shocked when the Republicans swept the house, senate and presidency and how some Democrats now want their own left tea party, they have control of everything and appear to be constantly fighting - maybe a left tea party isn't the best idea, lol.
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To be fair, I was shocked by the lack of leadership and progress demonstrated by Democrats in 2008. This is a whole other level, however.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Bishman said:
Frank Thorp
@frankthorp



John Bresnahan‏
@BresPolitico



Manu Raju‏
@mkraju



Trump is going to throw the Paul Ryan and the House GOP under the bus when this bill fails Thursday.
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I don't think there are 10 contested seats up in 2018
 
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Cesare Borgia

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Mr. Wonderful said:
To be fair, I was shocked by the lack of leadership and progress demonstrated by Democrats in 2008. This is a whole other level, however.
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It's the difference between having a competent, popular president and also having a cold blooded Speaker who can count votes. Republicans don't have either. Not to mention the fact that their bill is opposed by every interest group imaginable, unlike the ACA.
 
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Aaron Strife

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balladofwindfishes said:
This seems like something he can easily vote no on, so no surprise there
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People in WV may hate ACA (due to the man who signed it more than anything) but they would hate AHCA even more.

If a vote on like, coal miners' health benefits came up Manchin would probably support Trump on it, but I'd say he's earned enough "bipartisan" street cred by voting for Trump's shitty, shitty cabinet nominees (DeVos being the only exception I believe). No need to play rope-a-dope with AHCA though I suspect he votes for Gorsuch.
 
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neurosisxeno

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MazeHaze said:
Hyperbole aside, what is the reason to be against the public option? Seems like it does good for everyone who needs it and would be good for the country.

I'm not the most knowledgable on politics, but why do the GOP hate this concept? (Besides the fact that they hate the poor) like what do they say to justify their opposition?
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So you have to look at it from 2 perspectives;

Why do wealthy people hate it? The answer to that is that it allows the Government to overtake a very lucrative field of business, and drive the profit margins into the ground. It's about money for them. It would have an effect of deflating the economy and driving down costs as well as profits for everyone who is currently invested in the Insurance industry. Basically, private health insurance would evaporate over a few years, and a lot of these companies are worth billions. Insurance companies are also surprisingly safe investments, so they are a steady investment for a lot of wealthy people. If you dig through most mutual funds you'll find a bunch of Insurance companies (and even a lot of Health Insurance specifically).

Why do poor people hate it? The answer to that is that they hate "Government Takeovers". You know why? Because rich and successful people tell them they are bad, or that they are socialist, or that they aren't good for people. What it all boils down to is well educated men in suits go on TV and tell them these programs being socialized would destroy the country. So they legitimately believe in things like death panels and extreme rationing of care. They're told about having to wait months and potentially dying while needing urgent care--which is all absolute bullshit.

Angry Grimace said:
I don't think there are 10 contested seats up in 2018
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In the house every seat is up every 2 years correct?
 
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Tranqueris

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RPGCrazied said:
Even the ones in red states? Like that Joe guy? He voted yes to every single Trump cabinet nominee.
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Even Manchin knows the replacement will basically screw over a ton of people in WV.
“I got an older population, I got a poorer population, and I got an opiate issue we need to clean up,” Manchin said. “And now, talk about insult to injury. You’ve got to have a moral compass inside of you. You can’t do that. Look at the elderly, look at the poor, look at the sick. How can you look at yourself and say, ‘Okay, I’ll help the person who needs help the least, the wealthiest people, with more tax cuts, because I’m going to be taking away from the elderly population?’”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-replacement-immoral/?utm_term=.6a4797a90a6d
 
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Ether_Snake

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The bill will pass after congress gets some tweaks in, just to avoid giving the press and others to have enough time to say it's a bad bill. Trump will keep saying it's awesome and how it will pass, they'll tweak it a little, and will vote for it and move on to tax breaks for everyone. The impacts of the new health care bill will be post 2018, so it will be a win for Trump and the GOP's narrative on the short term.

fixedpoint said:
Yep.


Thanks again Lieberman. I wonder what he's up to these days?
http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/donald-trump-chooses-biglaw-firm-to-fight-new-york-times-over-publication-of-tax-documents/
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/19/14294758/joe-lieberman-triumphant-return
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Lieberman would have pushed Gore to invade Iraq post 9/11. People who think if Gore had won things would have been different, it would have been pretty much the same. Heck, he may have become president if something had happened to Gore, can you imagine? Real piece of shit.
 
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