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HK-47 · Dec 17, 2008

Mr.Wuggles said:
:lol what a slap in the face to MGS fans

and Nintendo

Why does Nintendo care? PSP is the one who could use more portable MGS

EmCeeGramr · Dec 17, 2008

HK-47 said:
Why does Nintendo care? PSP is the one who could use more portable MGS

seriously, psp has gotten only a measly 4 metal gear games and two digital comics, while nintendo is hogging all the action with snake in a fighting game

AkuMifune · Dec 17, 2008

WKC! Ouch! I'm still hopeful though, it seemed there were a lot of interesting ideas. Or maybe that's the problem?

And happy birthday duckroll! Sorry I jokingly called you a dipshit yesterday. Who's the dipshit now? I'M THE DIPSHIT! :lol

HK-47 · Dec 17, 2008

EmCeeGramr said:
seriously, psp has gotten only a measly 4 metal gear games and two digital comics, while nintendo is hogging all the action with snake in a fighting game

Who's the one with barely any games coming up outside of SE and Level 5? It sure aint the DS

harSon · Dec 17, 2008

That's unfortunate. Level 5 really should stick to handheld games, they've put out some really nice games and their future projects look great as well.

Barakov · Dec 17, 2008

Sheeeetttt@White Knight. The MGS teaser makes sense now. Still I was hoping for a new Metal Gear on consoles. Oh well.

Oh yeah, Happy Birthday Duckroll.

Emotions · Dec 17, 2008

Happy B-day duckroll!!!! You're one of my fav gaf posters....
Always very informative and bringing the good news. Harsh at times but that's fine

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Hellsing321 · Dec 17, 2008

Tenbatsu said:
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　　　　　　　|　　　　（__人__）　　 　　|　　　　Opoona　８　８　８　７　
　　　　　　　＼　　　 ｀ ⌒´　　　　／　　　　White Knight　７　８　７　７
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:lol :lol WKC got nothing on Opoona.

angelfly · Dec 17, 2008

Happy Birthday Duckroll!

White Knight Bombicles: 7/7/8/7
--lots of optional content
--big boss battles
--simplistic combat
--customizable combos
--is basically like every other Level 5 RPG. Sadness befalls the land.
--Online has chat issues and a reviewer "hopes it will be patched in the future"

Except for the chat issue all those points are great in my book.

SilentProtagonist · Dec 17, 2008

I can't find these SF scans anywhere.. Not that I was looking for them....

XiaNaphryz · Dec 17, 2008

Kaako said:
Disappointed by the WKC scores. Then again, I don't really trust Famitsu scores.
I'll wait for fellow Gaffer impressions and more reviews.

When it comes to JRPGs though, Famitsu and J-Gaffer impressions often hit close.

ThatObviousUser · Dec 17, 2008

This isn't about Aaron Eckhart?

harSon · Dec 17, 2008

XiaNaphryz said:
When it comes to JRPGs though, Famitsu and J-Gaffer impressions often hit close.

They may over score on occasion but I can't think of an instance where they severely underrate, can anyone think of an example?

Ploid 3.0 · Dec 17, 2008

Loudninja said:
Damn Duckroll loves Cammy.

Isn't the camy screens old though?

Not a scan or cam picture. http://kotaku.com/photogallery/sfivnc/1004373730

vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RJDcJAiEfk

Bebpo · Dec 17, 2008

harSon said:
That's unfortunate. Level 5 really should stick to handheld games, they've put out some really nice games and their future projects look great as well.

The trick to their DS games is that they aren't rpgs.

Even Dark Cloud 2, which was pretty solid, wasn't really a standard rpg. It was more of a town builder/dungeon crawler/golf/photography sim or something.

L5 just seems to suck at making standard rpgs. Probably because they can't write a story for the life of them, can't design a dungeon, and can't make a battle system with depth. Together that sort of kills an rpg :\

MrDenny · Dec 17, 2008

Rose's artwork looks awesome.

EmCeeGramr · Dec 17, 2008

HK-47 said:
Who's the one with barely any games coming up

nintendo

graywolf323 · Dec 17, 2008

Bebpo said:
The trick to their DS games is that they aren't rpgs.

Even Dark Cloud 2, which was pretty solid, wasn't really a standard rpg. It was more of a town builder/dungeon crawler/golf/photography sim or something.

L5 just seems to suck at making standard rpgs. Probably because they can't write a story for the life of them, can't design a dungeon, and can't make a battle system with depth. Together that sort of kills an rpg :\

what exactly is Dragon Quest VIII then?

oh and happy birthday duckroll!

lupinko · Dec 17, 2008

graywolf323 said:
what exactly is Dragon Quest VIII then?

oh and happy birthday duckroll!

Level 5 supplying Yuji Horii a graphics engine.

Movement · Dec 17, 2008

WYWY said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

How is that funny? =(

Bebpo · Dec 17, 2008

graywolf323 said:
what exactly is Dragon Quest VIII then?

oh and happy birthday duckroll!

DQVIII and DQIX aren't L5 games. They just do the graphics. All the game design/writing is done by the main DQ people.

duckroll · Dec 17, 2008

graywolf323 said:
what exactly is Dragon Quest VIII then?

oh and happy birthday duckroll!

DQ is still designed and written by Horii and his team at Armor Project. That really makes a huge difference when you compare the quality of the balance and the writing with any of Level 5's other RPGs. I just don't think Level 5 is very capable when they're making original RPGs. I hear Inazuma Eleven is pretty good though, but I haven't played it myself. As far as their more traditional JRPGs go, I think they're all really weak, and it's not really surprising that WKC is following in those footsteps.

Thanks.

BlazingDarkness · Dec 17, 2008

soo whats this? http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-247648.aspx

manueldelalas · Dec 17, 2008

lupinko said:
Level 5 supplying Yuji Horii a graphics engine.

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TheChillyAcademic · Dec 17, 2008

Wow....thats really a shame about WKC...wow.

Is it over? =(

Happy birth!!

harSon · Dec 17, 2008

Bebpo said:
The trick to their DS games is that they aren't rpgs.

Even Dark Cloud 2, which was pretty solid, wasn't really a standard rpg. It was more of a town builder/dungeon crawler/golf/photography sim or something.

L5 just seems to suck at making standard rpgs. Probably because they can't write a story for the life of them, can't design a dungeon, and can't make a battle system with depth. Together that sort of kills an rpg :\

I guess we'll see with their upcoming DS and PSP titles?

Error · Dec 17, 2008

"first truly next gen RPG"

lololololol I remember those words describing WKC.

where's bcn-ron, and the rest of the level-5 fanbots now?

duckroll · Dec 17, 2008

harSon said:
I guess we'll see with their upcoming DS and PSP titles?

I also think that as far as original efforts go, L5 games are better when they're smaller in scale. I found Layton 1 really enjoyable partly because the game never overstayed its welcome. The story was kinda silly, but the characters are enjoyable to be with and it didn't try too hard to be epic or anything like that. In general, if they tone down on trying to do "everything" and instead focus on less but more unique elements, I think they end up with much more success. This could be a direction they're pushing with their portable titles, especially those they're publishing themselves. It'll be interesting to see what we think of L5 2-3 years down the road.

Kagari · Dec 17, 2008

BlazingDarkness said:
soo whats this? http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-247648.aspx

Merry Christmas from Team ICO?

TheChillyAcademic · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I also think that as far as original efforts go, L5 games are better when they're smaller in scale. I found Layton 1 really enjoyable partly because the game never overstayed its welcome. The story was kinda silly, but the characters are enjoyable to be with and it didn't try too hard to be epic or anything like that. In general, if they tone down on trying to do "everything" and instead focus on less but more unique elements, I think they end up with much more success. This could be a direction they're pushing with their portable titles, especially those they're publishing themselves. It'll be interesting to see what we think of L5 2-3 years down the road.

Are you going to try WKC or is it not your cup of tea?

Kagari said:
Merry Christmas from Team ICO?

@.@

BlazingDarkness · Dec 17, 2008

Kagari said:
Merry Christmas from Team ICO?

the community blog promises something tomorrow? information?

Shadow780 · Dec 17, 2008

BlazingDarkness said:
soo whats this? http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-247648.aspx

：OOOOOOOOOOOO

Kagari · Dec 17, 2008

BlazingDarkness said:
the community blog promises something tomorrow? information?

Link?

duckroll · Dec 17, 2008

TheChillyAcademic said:
Are you going to try WKC or is it not your cup of tea?

I'm not going to touch another L5 original console RPG again after RG. Not until there's an indication that they've drastically improved. Japanese games are getting more and more expensive too, so I'm going to get much pickier. >_<

BlazingDarkness · Dec 17, 2008

Kagari said:
Link?

http://teamicogamers.blogspot.com/2008/12/website-totally-redesigned-plus-little.html

i dont follow the blog, are they privvy to any information?

CTLance · Dec 17, 2008

Happy Birthday, Duckroll.

Maaaan, PS0 getting good scores makes me happy, even if a good Famitsu score doesn't say anything about a game. Still, I want it to be good, and this score supports my notion, so I'm happy and hyped as fuck.

TheChillyAcademic · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I'm not going to touch another L5 original console RPG again after RG. Not until there's an indication that they've drastically improved. Japanese games are getting more and more expensive too, so I'm going to get much pickier. >_<

Not even that L5 Studio Gilbi DS game? That game seems to have a near limitless appeal...oh and, how old are you?

kassatsu · Dec 17, 2008

BlazingDarkness said:
soo whats this? http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-247648.aspx

Shit to get page views. The japanese just says [Merry Chri]smas

duckroll · Dec 17, 2008

TheChillyAcademic said:
Not even that L5 Studio Gilbi DS game? That game seems to have a near limitless appeal...oh and, how old are you?

I'm definitely getting that, in fact, I'll probably even get the console version of that if it's good. But like I said before, I see a big difference between Level 5's self-published titles in terms of focus and scope, and their traditional JRPG style titles. The latter are the ones I won't be touching. I'm 27 now, getting old. >_<

KTallguy · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I'm not going to touch another L5 original console RPG again after RG. Not until there's an indication that they've drastically improved. Japanese games are getting more and more expensive too, so I'm going to get much pickier. >_<

The Layton series IS excellent.

Inazuma 11 apparently gets old after a while.

Funny, as I never really liked Dark Cloud 1 or 2 either.

duckroll said:
I'm definitely getting that, in fact, I'll probably even get the console version of that if it's good. But like I said before, I see a big difference between Level 5's self-published titles in terms of focus and scope, and their traditional JRPG style titles. The latter are the ones I won't be touching. I'm 27 now, getting old. >_<

Holy crap, you're almost the same age as me! Happy b-day!

And yes, definitely there is a large gap between Level 5 RPGs that are completely their own, and work they do that is overseen by other companies. Apparently the head of Level 5 is pretty hard headed as well.

Don't spend your entire B-day browsing gaf, ok? :lol

TheChillyAcademic · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I'm definitely getting that, in fact, I'll probably even get the console version of that if it's good. But like I said before, I see a big difference between Level 5's self-published titles in terms of focus and scope, and their traditional JRPG style titles. The latter are the ones I won't be touching. I'm 27 now, getting old. >_<

27 isn't 30....30 is old

Edit: Err...no offense to other folks >.<

Bebpo · Dec 17, 2008

kassatsu said:
Shit to get page views. The japanese just says [Merry Chri]smas

Yeah. People need to stop waiting for miracles.

Team Ico game will be announced when it is announced.

jrricky · Dec 17, 2008

damn at the 'first truly nextgen rpg' scores.

Ryuartyi said:
I'll be waiting for player reviews and my own experience for WKC. Famitsu gave Nintendogs a 40/40, what does that say about them?

At least PS0 got a decent score, and I didn't expect MGS for the iPod.

...that they like revolutionary games?

how the hell did the score of nintendogs get into this discussion anyways? it deserved it.

P.S. IU is awful

lupin23rd · Dec 17, 2008

Damn, tough score for WKC. I'll have to put in my roommate's RG and see how it plays / looks. I'm still going to pick it up, wonder if they focused a lot on the online.

IU looked great until I read about the battle controls.

Tenbatsu · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I'm definitely getting that, in fact, I'll probably even get the console version of that if it's good. But like I said before, I see a big difference between Level 5's self-published titles in terms of focus and scope, and their traditional JRPG style titles. The latter are the ones I won't be touching. I'm 27 now, getting old. >_<

Where do yo usually get your games? Gamescore? Funz?
Btw Happy Birthday!

harSon · Dec 17, 2008

duckroll said:
I also think that as far as original efforts go, L5 games are better when they're smaller in scale. I found Layton 1 really enjoyable partly because the game never overstayed its welcome. The story was kinda silly, but the characters are enjoyable to be with and it didn't try too hard to be epic or anything like that. In general, if they tone down on trying to do "everything" and instead focus on less but more unique elements, I think they end up with much more success. This could be a direction they're pushing with their portable titles, especially those they're publishing themselves. It'll be interesting to see what we think of L5 2-3 years down the road.

I loved Layton but the ways in which you came across puzzles were pretty ludicrous, they could have definitely been a lot more imaginative in that department

Android18a · Dec 17, 2008

Is the low score due to the offline adventure or the online stuff? Cuz I wasn't intending to play it online anyway...

Jonsoncao · Dec 17, 2008

The Last Remnant 38/40 while WhiteKnight 29/40?

I cant draw a conclusion from this that Famitsu is biased, but it is certainly hurting gaffers....

romancing saga got really fine-tuned and sound level-up mechanism IMHO

Tenbatsu · Dec 17, 2008

Better pic for MGST up.

xfactor · Dec 17, 2008

the review scores are out!

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