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Microsoft will "aggressively challenge" any gov't attempt to spy through Kinect
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Does anyone know that guy? Is he really that way?
SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah this interests me most
Wasn't MS saying before that the kinect couldn't spy on you?
Now its we'll try to protect your data we promise?
If you are using skype probably as long as it works the same way it does on the PC.
WrenchNinja
Member
Really?
shinobi602
Member
This stupid line again.
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
No, I'm 32. I used to be in the military where you have no privacy whatsoever. It wasn't a big deal. I don't have an irrational fear of people spying on me. If I did, I wouldn't be online and I wouldn't have a cell phone. There are probably going to be 30+ million people using the Xbox One at some point. The government couldn't watch everyone 24/7 if they wanted to. I'd be more worried about Sony's data security than the Kinect spying on me.
I don't care what Ms is scheming. They don't need to scheme anything. What I care about is that some dude working for them accessing and spying on me while I am under the assumption that I have privacy.
It really isn't that difficult people.
Can Crusher
Banned
im guessing noone did
A damn joke
Well, that solves the "idiot or paid poster" question for me.
BRocknRolla
Member
Exactly. All they did by putting out was reinstate that it's a potential concern. Isn't it standard PR to ignore questions that you don't want people to think are real concerns?
And good luck indeed. If the NSA comes calling, MS is going to roll over without a fight. MS is an American company, on American soil, and has the US government as a huge contract. Do you really think it's going really going to sour that relationship? Even if it was willing, if a court hands over a warrant, nobody at MS is going to be willing to go to jail over something like this.
BruiserBear
Banned
The writing is all over the wall for Microsoft to drop the required connect, just as it was for dropping the DRM.
Hope they come to their senses.
Hope they come to their senses.
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
It's a legitimate point.
BruiserBear
Banned
There is a lot of truth in this post. Not that it matters, as perception is inevitably reality.
My tears are of the sad variety. How can you be an adult in the 21st century and still make that argument.
No it is not.
You cannot compare an illegal breach of security with the legalized breach of privacy.
The only thing is common is that both are about private data - everything else is different.
No body cares about you unless you are a serious threat. At that point there would be a lot ways to keep up with you than just listening in on your phone calls and skype.
NullPointer
Member
Thank you for your service in defending our Constitution.
netoambrosio
Banned
I make phone calls...and send email...and use credit cards...and search the web...and am seen by closed-circuit cameras ALL DAY LONG. If governments want information on me they will access these. Yes, this is a gaming site, so people are singling out Kinect, but the reality is we are living in a world where we are being monitored when we use technology, or not. Governments can track and monitor you by satellite if they want. I am not going to stop buying cell phones, laptops, an Xbox One / PS4, etc., because I am afraid of being monitored. And I don't have the energy to get angry at Apple, Google, my ISP provider, my cable company, my cell phone provider, Visa, Bank of America, MS / Sony, and the Mayor of the city I live in for allowing the government to have access to my information if they deem it necessary. Technology allows the government to easily track bad guys which is a good thing; the flip side is they could also track me if they wanted. Some things you just have to accept
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Nah, I just won't buy the luxury entertainment device from the company that has demonstrated boundless contempt for its non-NSA customers.
Dark Rider
Member
so how do we know the number of attempts the gov will make? and number of battles you did for the consumer? and the number of times you was successful in preventing the gov from spying? and what can we use to validate your data to us after you provide the answers to all of those questions?
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
The difference is that your Sony data was accessible by criminals -- twice. So far that hasn't been the case with Microsoft.
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
True that.
You know what? I used to be in the military too, andyou are right, there is no privacy. And I am glad I am out of it.
I cannot fathom why you think the issue is not relevant. It is not about Microsoft's 'scheme', it is not about whether then can spy on everybody at the same time. The problem is that they can.
Just imagine some perv putting cameras in every bathroom in the world. He cannot look at all of it at one time, but he can choose to look at any of it, and that doesn't help the person he is spying on.
Can Crusher
Banned
Man use 150 thousand years of evolution of the most powerful tool ever conceived, your rational ability. Ever heard of Big Brother?!
YouEnjoyMySelf
Banned
I can tell.
Syphon Filter
Member
huh? how you compare a cell phone camera to the kinect. lmao!
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Not true, they have admitted to using 3-hop and 4-hop analysis.
You go to a ballgame with a guy, who spoke to another guy, who emailed a guy who they have an interest in.
They now have interest in you.
This has all been revealed already as part of the PRISM exposure.
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
So you won't be buying either console this time?
Surprised no one brought this up, but the Xbone could potentially aid the NSA by getting info on citizens from other countries besides the United States. The legality of the info that can be received might not be tied to nationality, the NSA could potentially trade or give info to other country agencies or keep it for themselves.
Basically, the Xbone could be a global net instead of one tied just to the United States.
Basically, the Xbone could be a global net instead of one tied just to the United States.
You can also remove the camera and the phone will still work. Where I live, they provide this service for military personnel.
Just imagine someone kidnapped your daughter.. and was found and caught quickly through cam surveillance of multiple suspected people.
it goes both ways.
Kindly point out where Sony has fed information to the NSA.
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
But the NSA isn't a "perv". They're looking for very specific things. They aren't watching you with their pants around their ankles waiting for something good to happen.
Grimhammer
Neo Member
Well....here's a thought. How about providing us with verifiable evidence of historical facts that prove MS, your the champion of consumer rights you now present yourselves to be?!
*crickets**tumble weed*
This is truth. How many times in our lives do we wish we knew something for 100%?
Did that waitress spit in my food? Is my girl cheating on me...with my sister? Lol
Truth is we know MS is full of it! We have the evidence. We even know they are liars. Full on fabricators of facts.
So I ask you....for every fanboy attack on MS...should we harbor the old feelings of Sony vs MS? Or just stand as gamers united?
*crickets**tumble weed*
This is truth. How many times in our lives do we wish we knew something for 100%?
Did that waitress spit in my food? Is my girl cheating on me...with my sister? Lol
Truth is we know MS is full of it! We have the evidence. We even know they are liars. Full on fabricators of facts.
So I ask you....for every fanboy attack on MS...should we harbor the old feelings of Sony vs MS? Or just stand as gamers united?
When their criteria is are we 50.01% sure he is not an American citizen, and they do the 3 degrees from kevin bacon to decide if someone is a risk... then yeah, its not irrational to fear that innocent parties will get swept up in their drag net.
Sorry Microsoft, but I don't believe you. I don't have faith in any major company for that matter. Though I am more worried about them spying on me for advertisement related stuff then for the government. Though if that was the only thing about the One I was worried about I would still probably get one. As it stands right now it is probably not even in the top five.
"My" Sony data wasn't - I got my PS3 1-2 years ago in addition to my 360 ;-) - But that's not the point.
The difference is:
Sony made a mistake (granted - they shouldn't have made it) - but there was no intent behind the security breaches - it was negligent at worst
Microsoft on the other hand delibarately builds in attack vectors into an entertainment system which are not neccessary but can easily be abused by the government.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
That's not a no.
there are BILLIONS of people in the world. even if they tried they could never just randomly watch everyone. You have to be connected to a suspected group of people
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
It's a very interesting point because all of the weak protections FISA has for PRISM and similar programs are for US citizens, everyone else is fair game without need for warrants or any of the (admittedly weak) accountablility.
It has nothing to do with being randomly spied on.
It has everything to do with giving them the ability to do so for whatever reason.
XFistsClenchedX
Banned
They haven't that we are aware of, but we also weren't aware of MS, Apple, Google, and others having done it until that kid told everyone. However, I could make a strong argument that Sony has " demonstrated boundless contempt for its non-NSA customers."
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