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Zelda Wii U announced - "Rethink the conventions of Zelda"
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There's no stylistic choice here. They're doing it because it's safe. It's like making silent films when "talkies" are available just because it's what they're used to and they can't conceive of a way it would benefit.
When I'm trying to get invested in a game that has the ability to tell its story in spoken word, when it already has graphics that exceed an NES's developers dreams and cutscenes that emulate the style of movies, then yeah, I think it's a little jarring to be still reading text in a box.
There's a stylistic cognitive dissonance created there, that's not attributable to my boring preference for homogenization or anything else you impute into my reasoning. And I think it's frankly insulting for you to be suggesting that that's what I'm getting at instead of trying to defend in a reasonable way why we need to cling to a textbox that slows down the pace more than VA ever would.
I posited it as an example of how a game can keep moving and yet have talking. Wasn't commenting on its quality (which I think your wrong about as well). Christ, do you have to make everything so difficult?
TheCongressman1
Member
I'm all for being able to revisit dungeons with new items, but not because it's mandatory. Make it something the player can discover on their own. Otherwise it can get tedious.
mdtauk
Member
As long as the single player experience is as good, or better than the currently released Zelda games, then I will not be hostile to additional co-op modes. And as long as whatever narrative this next game has, it is not ruined or lessened with its non-linearity.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's clearly a stylistic choice. I don't know why you think you can make any sort of claim to the contrary.
That's why I only buy Audible editions of books.
For you perhaps.
Mainly because I don't agree with a single thing you've said.
Zoramon089
Banned
You'd have a point if not for the fact that every other Nintendo console title this gen has had some form of voice acting...I think the Zelda team does it intentionally for whatever reason.
I don't mind the lack of voice acting, but that lack should come with a similar reduction in... reading. Less is more.
That's what he's saying. The team is staying safe by sticking to 'tradition' instead of taking that one step forward.
That's what he's saying. The team is staying safe by sticking to 'tradition' instead of taking that one step forward.
Crumpet Trumpet
Banned
Co-op could be really fun. Zelda on the GamePad shootin' arrows and doing magic and shit, and Link with Wii MotionPlus sword controls on the big screen.
The first thing I thought of when they first showed Wii U was motion-control Link and gamepad Navi. It would be fun to fly around through cracks and locked doors then yell "Listen" when you found the way forward. Or swooping in with a heart container to save link from falling in battle.
I can see this working as an optional 2nd player role or something that player 1 can attempt while leaving Link vulnerable.
Also, the open world idea is a great way to take the series back to its roots. Just your sword and Hyrule to explore.
I can see this working as an optional 2nd player role or something that player 1 can attempt while leaving Link vulnerable.
Also, the open world idea is a great way to take the series back to its roots. Just your sword and Hyrule to explore.
I feel bad for the whole Zelda team, they really need to do something else, breathe some fresh air. Seems like almost everyone working on those games is extremely tired and have a pretty narrow view of what Zelda should be. Iirc, Aonuma has been saying the same thing of "rethinking the conventions" for the last couple of games...
Ken Masters
Banned
Zelda has been fundamentally the same thing since NES days, it needs a makeover
Super Mario has been fundamentally the same thing since NES days, it needs a makeover
I agree. I always felt games like Zelda should be more about expression and less about dialogue.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Yeah, and unless it can be guaranteed to be good I'd rather they keep doing just that.
Viola of the Abyss
Member
I'm a little worried how the multiplayer aspect could turn out, but the open world aspect might just make me overlook it!
I can't wait to know more!
I can't wait to know more!
H_Prestige
Banned
It will probably still be full of hand holding and treat the player like a complete idiot.
I wonder if they're going to implement multiplayer in a similar fashion as Rayman Legends. Essentially more of a support role that can be handled well enough by the AI or the player in SP. As much as I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo does with multiplayer here, I'm certainly expecting something a little more tame than what I'd like. Perhaps something where Link is controlled by using the Wii Remote and Link's fairy is controlled by a second player using the GamePad to distract enemies, gather items, use one or two unique abilities to help solve puzzles, etc.
Edit: And am I imaging Aunoma saying a while back that console Zelda would continue to use WM+? I feel like I remember that, but I could just be mistaking GAF conjecture for that. If that's the case, then I can see pressure to use the GamePad in some capacity as a core reason for including a second player (assuming the MP is only co-op).
Co-signed
Edit: And am I imaging Aunoma saying a while back that console Zelda would continue to use WM+? I feel like I remember that, but I could just be mistaking GAF conjecture for that. If that's the case, then I can see pressure to use the GamePad in some capacity as a core reason for including a second player (assuming the MP is only co-op).
Co-signed
The Hermit
Member
- Twilight Princess was so stale that made Nintendo realize that they needed to change the formula
- Skyward Sword made some changes, but they acknowledged that it wasn't enough
They will have to try hard to make me excited to a new Zelda, but this is the right path.
Btw, add voice acting (except Link of course)
eXistor
Member
Only if it's in Hylian.
They did a good job with garble voices when it came to Midna and Fi, but they were laden with various sound effects and they didn't speak too often. I'm not sure they would be able to do that well for every character throughout the game without it wearing on my nerves
If they can, that's cool though. Invent a simple language that's pleasing to the ear and there's no localization necessary. I don't think I could take Garble Hylian though. Either way, I'm more than ready for the characters to find their voice (sans Link).
JordanLMiller
Member
I just want a good overworld.
There really isn't an overwhelming amount of reading, maybe you and the others that complain about the text have difficulty reading. You're not too bright or are dislexic?
I do not want to see Zelda series with voice acting
VA does not equal better game, this isnt one of those RPGs that some of gaf seems to be really into, even if you think it should be.
Chuckpebble
Member
When the game is beaten, I want to be able to go to my house, in the game, and open up a diary, and have the ability to replay a boss or even an entire dungeon, and log it like a time trial. That way, I can replay the best parts of a Zelda game without having to go through all of the filler and dialogue again.
The Hermit
Member
Never though about that... that's even better.
If the can even create the language they might as well voice it like in the LOTR movies.
I really, really hope they don't do this.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
That's exactly the reason I don't want voice acting.
Here in Europe (damn region lock!) I don't want to wait months or years for them to do all the voice acting in French, German, Spanish, etc before I get to play it.
I refuse to get hyped for this. Every freaking time they start prepping for a new Zelda console game, they start off by saying, "We're going to change things up! We know people are tired of doing the same thing every game, so we're going to be making some drastic changes to the formula!"
Said this about Twilight Princess, didn't happen really (Wolf Link sections do not count). And they said this about SS (which did change some things I'm willing to admit, but it wasn't enough at all and the sacrifices they made to achieve it were not worth it).
So, I'm not going to expect them to change anything significantly again. They're going to play it safe again in the end. They'll waffle around back and forth for the whole of 2013 and then start working on the game in 2014 to finally release it in 2015-2016 where by then the hype will be deflated; people will be disappointed and call it the worst Zelda ever.
If they want to wow me, they'll do what OoT allows you to do: play the dungeons in the order you want to! Expand on what you gave the player when they turned into Adult Link. I liked being able to choose which temple I wanted to tackle first, rather than going to the Forest Temple (which is what they'd have you do if the game was linear). It made for some awesome differences in how dungeons/temples could play out with different items from dungeons that were essentially placed ahead of the initial dungeon you're meant to go in.
Just something like that breaks the linearity and gives the player freedom. If they can expand on that and make it on a grander scale, I would be elated.
Along with the option of traditional Zelda controls and motion control. MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
Also, I will die if they shoehorn in the Tears of Light again. I hated those collectathons in both TP and SS (moreso in TP, SS was actually challenging and had some merit to being there BUT STILL, AWFUL). Just terrible padding, imo.
Said this about Twilight Princess, didn't happen really (Wolf Link sections do not count). And they said this about SS (which did change some things I'm willing to admit, but it wasn't enough at all and the sacrifices they made to achieve it were not worth it).
So, I'm not going to expect them to change anything significantly again. They're going to play it safe again in the end. They'll waffle around back and forth for the whole of 2013 and then start working on the game in 2014 to finally release it in 2015-2016 where by then the hype will be deflated; people will be disappointed and call it the worst Zelda ever.
If they want to wow me, they'll do what OoT allows you to do: play the dungeons in the order you want to! Expand on what you gave the player when they turned into Adult Link. I liked being able to choose which temple I wanted to tackle first, rather than going to the Forest Temple (which is what they'd have you do if the game was linear). It made for some awesome differences in how dungeons/temples could play out with different items from dungeons that were essentially placed ahead of the initial dungeon you're meant to go in.
Just something like that breaks the linearity and gives the player freedom. If they can expand on that and make it on a grander scale, I would be elated.
Along with the option of traditional Zelda controls and motion control. MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
Also, I will die if they shoehorn in the Tears of Light again. I hated those collectathons in both TP and SS (moreso in TP, SS was actually challenging and had some merit to being there BUT STILL, AWFUL). Just terrible padding, imo.
Retreading areas for Tears was a huge hit on my appreciation for the game. I really don't understand why they decide to include stuff like this. The games are long enough without them. Whatever they add to the story could have been left out / changed /etc.
If the reason is to get us to return to old areas and fully explore them again, pull us their through an optional side quest or the inclusion of a previously inaccessible dungeon (which they tend to do anyway), not through tedious filler content.
Sis Focaccia
Member
Zelda doesn't need re-thinking, it just needs to be done right.
The formula is solid. We just need a lot less talking and hand-holding, and more exploration.
The formula is solid. We just need a lot less talking and hand-holding, and more exploration.
I can accept that. It was boss in Wind Waker.
As long as great spoken things like Link's promise to Zelda and Groose's dialogue don't get cut. I feel that in Zelda there is a decent balance between what is read and what is expressed facially already.
I guess I'm a freak for being satisfied with any aspect of modern Zelda, though.
Depending on the game, Hylian is a modified form of Japanese or English.
This is interesting. How many other games pull this off?
The story of Zelda has never interested me, but in some way I was always absorbed. I guess now I know why.
You know what, finally. This would solve the issue of trying to find suitable voice actors/actresses for localization, since they wouldn't need any.
This. Zelda is begging for orchestrated music since Ocarina of Time.
gamergirly
Member
Dec 2014 at earliest. But unlike you, I'm preexcited
did you not play/hear anything about skyward or what