Yeah, that's true. With Stubborn Denial being the most used counterspell I can see the caverns mattering way less.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Yeah, that's true. With Stubborn Denial being the most used counterspell I can see the caverns mattering way less.
MaRo's articles explaining the Un jokes re-ignites my apprehension about Unstable.
I'm only on the first card set that he discusses in part 2 that dropped a bit ago, and he mentions a direct reference to Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Please do something really cool with the basic lands. I'm a hopeless addict so I'll be buying a few packs, please let it be for something!
Article:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/get-it-unhinged-edition-part-2-2017-08-21
I'm only on the first card set that he discusses in part 2 that dropped a bit ago, and he mentions a direct reference to Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Please do something really cool with the basic lands. I'm a hopeless addict so I'll be buying a few packs, please let it be for something!
Article:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/get-it-unhinged-edition-part-2-2017-08-21
charlequin
Banned
It'll be just like Ixalan!
SigmasonicX
Member
Eh, I thought many of those hidden jokes are pretty neat, like the players using Enter the Dungeon not being affected by the Stone Cold Basilisk in its art.
I want to say he said wasn't going to do any of the weirder cards this time around like game within a game and dexterity challenges but I might be miss-remembering and its hard to search through his million tumblr posts to fine where he said it.
SigmasonicX
Member
I'm expecting a card like "Satanic Blood Orgy of Infernal Evil", an enchantment that generates 8/8 flying trample demons every turn. It represents a birthday party and the tokens are cute rat things with party balloons.
charlequin
Banned
My favorite is the foil box on the Goblin Mime.
Multiple members of R&D have said in the past that "people would cry" if they knew some of the cards that have been stickered over for playtesting, heh.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
it's not like wotc could sell the cards they are stockpiling directly on the 2nd hand market limiting their worth considerably. They literally put 1k+ cards into boosters before.
Unless they go down and then ethics don't mean shit anyway.
Unless they go down and then ethics don't mean shit anyway.
What goes on at the Prerelease Events for new card packs? Do they preview all the cards or is it just a chance to score promo stuff.
I'm reading Generation Decks and I love how Garfield thought that people would only buy 2 starters and a couple of boosters a year (!!)... his idea that each game would be a reveal of new cards was certainly cool (people waiting for a player to play a card he or she had never seen before), but maybe a bit naive. lol
I'm reading Generation Decks and I love how Garfield thought that people would only buy 2 starters and a couple of boosters a year (!!)... his idea that each game would be a reveal of new cards was certainly cool (people waiting for a player to play a card he or she had never seen before), but maybe a bit naive. lol
SigmasonicX
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In the past, prereleases were the first time you could ever see the cards, but time zones and the Internet meant that players who did their research had an unfair advantage, so now they instead preview cards over the period of two weeks, ending the week before the prerelease. Iconic Masters will be a throwback to the old way, with no previews until the prerelease at HasCon.
The appeal of the prerelease now is that it's a casual event that tons of players attend, and the difference between beginners and experts is minimized.
As for Garfield's expectations, remember that Magic was the first of its kind. All he had to compare with was board games and normal trading cards.
So, I'm assuming that prerelease events will be store specific in a sense?
And good point about Garfield. Amazing what he and WotC was able to pull off.
SigmasonicX
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All stores run the same event: a Sealed tournament where everyone is given a set of booster packs to build a deck from. Some places will do bonus stuff, but that's entirely up to them.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I really like watching Saito fine tuning UR Control with every event.
He also started out with a couple supreme wills in favour of disallow but dropped those entirely after the PT.
He also started out with a couple supreme wills in favour of disallow but dropped those entirely after the PT.
Joe Molotov
Member
full-art Island and Mountains
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not sure which ones you mean?
It's quickly parsed
4x Censor
4x Disallow
4x Harnessed Lightning
4x Glimmer of Genius
4x Torrential Gearhulk
4x Magma Spray
3x Hieroglyphic Illumination
3x Abrade
3x Essence Scatter
2x Sweltering Suns
4x Wandering Fumarole
4x Spirebluff Canal
3x Aether Hub
8x Island
6x Mountain
Sideboard:
4x Negate
3x Dragonmaster Outcast
2x Summary Dismissal
2x Glorybringer
2x Chandra's Defeat
2x Kozilek's Return
It's quickly parsed
4x Censor
4x Disallow
4x Harnessed Lightning
4x Glimmer of Genius
4x Torrential Gearhulk
4x Magma Spray
3x Hieroglyphic Illumination
3x Abrade
3x Essence Scatter
2x Sweltering Suns
4x Wandering Fumarole
4x Spirebluff Canal
3x Aether Hub
8x Island
6x Mountain
Sideboard:
4x Negate
3x Dragonmaster Outcast
2x Summary Dismissal
2x Glorybringer
2x Chandra's Defeat
2x Kozilek's Return
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Been working on a Mairsil list and about 16 cards above what I need and that's still missing some utility for mairsil. Here's what I got
I don't want to rip my hand apart to cage stuff with Mairsil so I went with Reanimation strategies instead. The mighty combo with quicksilver elemental was shut down by the rules manager and is probably just not worth it now.
I don't want to rip my hand apart to cage stuff with Mairsil so I went with Reanimation strategies instead. The mighty combo with quicksilver elemental was shut down by the rules manager and is probably just not worth it now.
RuinerPrime
Member
What do you think of Staff of Domination in the list?
Imperfected
Member
I'd actually consider running some of the Greedy Ramp in Mairsil. Making him into a Basalt Monument that doesn't stay tapped or even just a plain old Gilded Lotus is probably better than a lot of people give it credit for.
charlequin
Banned
Magic predated (and in some ways opened the door for) the American hobby game explosion in the 2000s. Nowadays you look at something like this and if it's a game people can play often enough you expect them to pay $100 a year (like, say, two Dominion expansions annually) but at that point the growth was in small games you could sell at a checkout counter for ten bucks. A starter fit their expectations of the market they knew about better.
Well, there's ways they could give them away to employees without falling afoul of tax laws or anything.
FreedomFrisbee
Member
Cavern of souls 5-8 whoop whoop!
SigmasonicX
Member
Wait, Walk the Plank is rare? Was that not on the leaked sheet?
blindrocket
Member
WOW
Ah, it's beautiful.
EDIT:
This is great for the new Tribal Commander decks.
Wotc so leaky in regards to Ixalan lol
I wonder if Unclaimed Territory could finally push stuff like Allies and Sliver into playability in modern.
No, it's an uncommon.
I wonder if Unclaimed Territory could finally push stuff like Allies and Sliver into playability in modern.
No, it's an uncommon.
charlequin
Banned
All card and token images from the site:
i'm so fucking sour about the treasure tokens
Man, Sun Titan eats a HUGE downgrade for only 1 less mana. Bishop looks.... playable, but that's just insane when you compare the two.
Love the art and flavor on walk the plank. This set is looking like it'll do a better job of capturing the adventure/savage wilds flavor of Zendikar than BfZ did. Even has vampires!
What's wrong with the treasure tokens?
Love the art and flavor on walk the plank. This set is looking like it'll do a better job of capturing the adventure/savage wilds flavor of Zendikar than BfZ did. Even has vampires!
What's wrong with the treasure tokens?
It's kind of sad we're not getting masterpieces here. This would have been a much cooler set for theming than Amonkhet- pirate treasures, tribal greatest hits, or even mesoamerican cave painting style invocations similar to the hieroglyphic invocations proposed for Amonkhet.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
So how good is Unclaimed Territory as a Cavern replacement? How much did "can't be countered" matter?
charlequin
Banned
Holy butts, is a Mirrodin Chalice of the Void really a $75 card? I just, like, found one, like, in my bookshelf.
I had a custom set with a pirate theme (based off an offhand convo in this thread actually) I got most of the way through idly designing last year.... it had Treasure tokens and Raid as its returning mechanic.
This is like the third time I had a half-finished set where I'd come to such similar design decisions as the version they finally printed. I should've made it to the GDS2 round of 8, dammit!
I had a custom set with a pirate theme (based off an offhand convo in this thread actually) I got most of the way through idly designing last year.... it had Treasure tokens and Raid as its returning mechanic.
This is like the third time I had a half-finished set where I'd come to such similar design decisions as the version they finally printed. I should've made it to the GDS2 round of 8, dammit!
Imperfected
Member
Can't be countered is enormously important for Modern play, honestly more so than the mana fixing. A lot of the decks that run it don't even care about that property.
For EDH, Unclaimed Territory is going to be an auto-include in tons of decks, though.
charlequin
Banned
Card names I'll be crabby if we don't see some variant of by block's end: First Mate, Sea Legs, Boarding Party, Wash Ashore, Sink, Shipwreck, Keel-Haul, Mutiny, Buried Treasure, Sea Shanty, Treasure Map, Pirate's Eyepatch, Captain's Parrot.
Slivers have close to perfect mana now, so that's neat.
4 Sliver Hive, 4 Cavern, 2-4 Unclaimed Territory, 4 Mutavault, then some mixture of Reflecting Pool, Forest, City of Bras, Gemstone Mine and Breeding pool to round it out.
Reflecting Pool wasn't really viable with 8 prismatic lands in the deck, but 10-14 makes me significantly more comfortable with it. It can't cast a vial on turn 1 as your only land, but still.
4 Sliver Hive, 4 Cavern, 2-4 Unclaimed Territory, 4 Mutavault, then some mixture of Reflecting Pool, Forest, City of Bras, Gemstone Mine and Breeding pool to round it out.
Reflecting Pool wasn't really viable with 8 prismatic lands in the deck, but 10-14 makes me significantly more comfortable with it. It can't cast a vial on turn 1 as your only land, but still.
You need some swamps for Sedge Sliver.
Damn, you're right. Still need to fit in fetchlands and an overgrown tomb somewhere.
Imperfected
Member
I'm just impressed it's at Uncommon.
Between this and the Deserts it's starting to feel like someone actually wants lands to be up for consideration during drafts instead of just being dead cards.
Between this and the Deserts it's starting to feel like someone actually wants lands to be up for consideration during drafts instead of just being dead cards.
StrategyFan
Member
wotc pushing tribal decks = make the tools lower rarity?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Funny how terrible Walk the Plank is in modern. Even Victim of the Night has better conditions.
Uncounterabilty is almost pointless these days. There's only UW and Jeskai decks that even run hard counters and they make up a tiny amount of the meta.
I thought I had Gilded Lotus in it but guess I have 1 more card to cut.
Without the easy infinite combo it's a bit underwhelming.
Infinite Stars
Member
Unclaimed Territory is a great budget Cavern. Not as good, but Uncommon in Fall set vs Rare/Mythic from Spring sets=worth the compromise.
Modern has 2 decks that play creature counters: UW and Jeskai Control. Grixis DS can't respond to a creature on the stack before it resolves.
That said, I'm laughing at how bad that 1 Mana cheaper Sun Titan is, like.. they couldn't have even given it ETB or attacks?
Modern has 2 decks that play creature counters: UW and Jeskai Control. Grixis DS can't respond to a creature on the stack before it resolves.
That said, I'm laughing at how bad that 1 Mana cheaper Sun Titan is, like.. they couldn't have even given it ETB or attacks?
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