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Smash Brothers 3DS will support the C-stick on New 3DS but NOT the Circle Pad Pro
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Might have been smart if the new 3ds was actually out for the holiday/smash release. I mean, I get that they have to get rid of old stock. But if you are going to do that, at least don't punish those for buying the old version of your system.
Hell, what about all those that have bought multiple 3ds already, and won't be getting a new 3ds. Lol fuck them. No circle pad pro support for you!
giancarlo123x
Banned
No it isn't. That's just slapping those in the face that supported their add-on.
I have MH3.
And a 3DS XL.
I'll get around to playing it when the "nub" version of the 3DS comes out, I guess. Tracking down and buying an XL CPP seems moot, now.
KojiKnight
Member
maybe this is why?
Thinking on this, the pieces kind of all fall into place... Though it's still pretty crappy if this is true since you could always take off the CPP to use it then replace it afterwards.
Muffin Awesome
Member
So this will impede all US and European players indefinitely correct?
Eduardboon
Member
I will have to send my XL and New 3DS XL to Nintendo since I used up all my system transfers just so I can use the c-stick. Well crap.
flatearthpandas
Member
Wow, what the fuck?
I swear, this company sometimes...
I swear, this company sometimes...
Did you call them yet? That's usually something they can reset online.
Actually, didn't they get rid of the transfer limit?
Jawmuncher
Member
So no CPP support huh?
Glad I saved my money on it.
Glad I saved my money on it.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Really disappointed in Nintendo for this. I was never going to buy one, but Smash Bros (starting with Brawl) always had tons and tons of control options, an Smash 4 looked like no exception. Hopefully they patch it in as a sign of good will
Eduardboon
Member
If they did I will be jumping a hole in the air. Because I'll be happy.
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it's a Dutch saying.
I REALLY hope smash won't be BETTER on N3DS though.. like frameratewise.
Zeyphersan
Banned
They've already confirmed that 3DS was 60, and I doubt they'd be so misleading as to mean only 60 on a console they weren't even close to announcing at that point
Lol wtf so if the 3DS version has subpar framerate due to hardware constraints you wouldn't want them to fix it and better optimize the game for the n3DS???
I don't even...
Eduardboon
Member
"Yes, 60FPS on 3DS.. we didn't say WHICH 3DS" And the trollboat continues on its course to trolltown.
I see, thanks for sharing. Will there be a competitive scene for 3DS?
I remembered Sakurai talking about the inclusion of CCP support in Kid Icarus: Uprising. NOTE: Sakurai was kept in the dark about of the existence of the CCP and found out about it the same time as the general public did.
''Considering how close to the limit we pushed the 3DS during development, it's a miracle that we were even able to provide support for left-handed controls at the point of completion. Providing support for independent analog control was something that was technically impossible.''
Smash is really pushing the 3DS so Sakurai most likely didn't want to spend any processing power on CCP's support. N3DS' nub is probably only supported because it's integrated in the system and requires no extra resources.
That's only speculation so Nintendo could very well be screwing 3DS owners over to push them to upgrade.
Don't be. They announced a new version of the CCP, so support is guaranteed.
''Considering how close to the limit we pushed the 3DS during development, it's a miracle that we were even able to provide support for left-handed controls at the point of completion. Providing support for independent analog control was something that was technically impossible.''
Smash is really pushing the 3DS so Sakurai most likely didn't want to spend any processing power on CCP's support. N3DS' nub is probably only supported because it's integrated in the system and requires no extra resources.
That's only speculation so Nintendo could very well be screwing 3DS owners over to push them to upgrade.
Don't be. They announced a new version of the CCP, so support is guaranteed.
Velcro Fly
Member
i thought they removed the limit of 5 a long time ago? Is it back now?
edit: Yeah it's been gone since last December. So transfer away!
Zeyphersan
Banned
Nope, limit is still removed
This is pretty gross, and something I'd honestly expect of EA if they sold hardware. I think I'll pass on Smash Brothers this gen. These kinds of business decisions just don't sit well with me.
Regarding Smash, it seems unlikely that Sakurai couldn't work it in. It's been a while since I've played Melee or Brawl, but didn't it pretty much amount to a digital input? Press a direction and you did a Smash attack? I doubt something like that would cause any kind of load on the engine, at all. If it does, that would be some disgustingly poor coding.
Honestly, this just looks like Nintendo had the opportunity to make some money off of an audience they knew would buy right into this. They're whaling by "incentivizing" a highly anticipated title, and they're probably going to make a lot of money off of it.
Sakurai's explanation always seemed really tenuous, considering you could use the face buttons to control the reticle, but the CCP apparently couldn't. But it could control Pit because reasons.
Regarding Smash, it seems unlikely that Sakurai couldn't work it in. It's been a while since I've played Melee or Brawl, but didn't it pretty much amount to a digital input? Press a direction and you did a Smash attack? I doubt something like that would cause any kind of load on the engine, at all. If it does, that would be some disgustingly poor coding.
Honestly, this just looks like Nintendo had the opportunity to make some money off of an audience they knew would buy right into this. They're whaling by "incentivizing" a highly anticipated title, and they're probably going to make a lot of money off of it.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
What a scumbag move and Nintendo and Sakurai will be lazy enough not to patch it in.
I knew it! I was always skeptical of the idea of adding another stick for this reason. CPP compatible games only know they are talking to an IR bus, but when the device is onboard that no longer makes sense, especially when there's a stick and an IR port (and in Smash's case an NFC platform that also uses an IR port) so you can't really tell which is supposed to be in use. My expectation has been that CPP and New 3DS aren't exactly compatible for this reason and that the New 3DS fixes the multi-peripheral problem by integrating NFC and CPP-like functionality.
TimeEffect
Member
What's C stick used for in SSB?
I had a thought. What if Smash never had intent for second stick support, but when Nintendo were building the N3DS, they showed it to Sakurai and he decided to add the feature for players on that device.
It'd explain the delay from Summer to September/October that the 3DS version had.
Just an idle thought, though.
Same as in Brawl & Melee
It'd explain the delay from Summer to September/October that the 3DS version had.
Just an idle thought, though.
Same as in Brawl & Melee
SatoAilDarko
Member
So this makes me think. Has Classic Controller support been confirmed for Wii U? I mean they're most likely in since you can use them in a bunch of games like Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101 and Mario Kart 8 (there a lot of third-party titles that also use them).
Then again Hyrule Warriors didn't have it while the past Wii U Warriors games did and games like NSMBU and Pikmin didn't have it either.
What now the Eshop page only lists the GamePad. At least we know patching in support would be easy.
Then again Hyrule Warriors didn't have it while the past Wii U Warriors games did and games like NSMBU and Pikmin didn't have it either.
What now the Eshop page only lists the GamePad. At least we know patching in support would be easy.
I'd say that's a very believable reason.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
I think it does as I saw it as a control option on a Wii U demo unit but I will make sure.
EDIT So the demo unit has the pro controller game pad wii remote and nunchuck and classic controller they don't mention the Gamecube Controller.
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Mysterious
Banned
If you mean Pro Controller, NSMBU and Pikmin 3 also support it.
Leafhopper
Banned
Non charged smashes just like Melee and Brawl.
Quick smash attacks and aerial attacks that don't affect your trajectory. Ex. Jump right and C-left to attack left while moving right.
Why not support the CCP then? The stick isn't doing anything the CCP couldn't, why alienate a portion of the existing customer base? It's just pure greed.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I imported a CPP :LL from japan , good times
ieptbarakat
Member
Glad a I held off on getting a 3DS, I learned my lesson with the DSi.
MisterHero
Super Member
It's a good thing they announced New 3DS now so people will know not to buy the current "old" 3DSXL that's promoting the game. gg Nintendo
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's only reason why CCP didn't happens.
uncredited male
Member
As mentioned, KI:U ran 60 fps and couldn't support dual analog because of the extra processing requirements. Running another analog input is a lot more demanding than binary buttons.
There is a good chance this is the same reason for the lack of support here.
There is a good chance this is the same reason for the lack of support here.
I know I'm only using google translate But am I missing something here?
https://translate.google.com/transl...hardware/accessories/list_slidepad/index.html
This suggests that Smash 3DS is NOT supported by the new 3DS c stick? Meaning it doesn't support either the new 3DS or the CPP. What am I missing?
https://translate.google.com/transl...hardware/accessories/list_slidepad/index.html
This suggests that Smash 3DS is NOT supported by the new 3DS c stick? Meaning it doesn't support either the new 3DS or the CPP. What am I missing?
The c-stick's function in Smash is a four direction digital input. It's no excuse.
King Gilga
Member
Man, fuck you too nintendo.
I was actually looking forward to this game too...
I was actually looking forward to this game too...
No really, what am I missing. Nothing on the page linked in the OP suggests Smash will work with the new C stick on the New 3DS.
Is Google just translating it wrong? it seems to me it specifically says that it doesn't support the new 3DS stick.
There won't be any NFC reader for the regular 3DS until some undetermined time in 2015. Smash 3DS is coming out this month. I don't think the IR "excuse" is really valid here. If Nintendo wanted to, they would support it. They clearly don't, at the detriment of a consumer subset. No need to defend that sort of behavior.
Is Google just translating it wrong? it seems to me it specifically says that it doesn't support the new 3DS stick.