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Coal Mining Jobs Trump Would Bring Back No Longer Exist for Humans

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Trojita

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/business/coal-jobs-trump-appalachia.html?_r=1

In Decatur, Ill., far from the coal mines of Appalachia, Caterpillar engineers are working on the future of mining: mammoth haul trucks that drive themselves.

The trucks have no drivers, not even remote operators. Instead, the 850,000-pound vehicles rely on self-driving technology, the latest in an increasingly autonomous line of trucks and drills that are removing some of the human element from digging for coal.


When President Trump moved on Tuesday to dismantle the Obama administration's climate change efforts, he promised it would bring coal-mining jobs back to America. But the jobs he alluded to — hardy miners in mazelike tunnels with picks and shovels — have steadily become vestiges of the past.

All the while, the coal industry has been replacing workers with machines and explosives. Energy and labor specialists say that no one — including Mr. Trump — can bring them all back.

”People think of coal mining as some 1890s, colorful, populous frontier activity, but it's much better to think of it as a high-tech industry with far fewer miners and more engineers and coders," said Mark Muro, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution's Metropolitan Policy Program.

Caterpillar's autonomous trucks are already being used at mines in Western Australia. ”An autonomous truck doesn't need to stop for lunch breaks or shift changes," Caterpillar said in a promotional page on its website. And it is proceeding with semiautonomous drills, including a system that lets one worker control three drills at once.

A shift from underground coal mines to surface mines — which involves opening mountains with controlled explosions, then using automated heavy machinery to mine the coal — has also led to a decline in mining jobs.

In 1980, the industry employed about 242,000 people. By 2015, that figure had plunged 60 percent, to fewer than 100,000, even as coal production edged up 8 percent. Helped by automation, worker productivity more than tripled over the same period, according to data from the federal Energy Information Administration and the Brookings Institution.

And a recent study by the International Institute for Sustainable Development and the Columbia Center on Sustainable Investment predicted that automation was likely to replace 40 to 80 percent of workers at mines.

Automation makes mines more ”safe, efficient and productive," said Corrie Scott, a Caterpillar spokeswoman. ”While mines would not need as many drivers, they will need more people who use and understand the latest technology," she said.

”However way you spin it, gas and renewables are going to continue to replace coal," said Nicolas Maennling, senior economics and policy researcher at Columbia University and an author of the automation study.

”And in order to stay competitive, coal will have to increase automation," he said. ”What Mr. Trump does will make little difference."

Appalachia you are fucked and all you did was enable your rich overlords to siphon even more money out while polluting your water.

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I can't believe that the rest of the world has to suffer so that the workers in this dead industry can feel protected for just a bit longer.
 

geomon

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How many years have they've been telling these people this shit? They never listened. They didn't give a fuck.
 

Guevara

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...the coal industry has been replacing workers with machines and explosives.

Sounds pretty awesome. I want to watch these bomb-throwing robots.
 
SHOCKIN NEWS

Ever since he talked about bringing coal and manufacturing jobs back years ago, I rolled my eyes thinking that Trump is so out of touch and is living in the 1950's.
 

Kevtones

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Well who do you think they're going to hire to clean up all the pollution they're creating with deregulation?

Trump's job creation slogan:

Make a mess!
Make a mess!
Make a mess!
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
(Economic anxiety intensifies)
 
Republicans feel like they're all 50 years too late to every problem and then don't actually care about that problem anyways and just want to benefit themselves
 

Buckle

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Should have spent more time trying to think of how to adapt than digging their heels in and thinking they can brute force stop the future.

Feel for anybody that loses a job over it but shits happening whether anyone likes it or not. You can only stop progress for so long.
 

jelly

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Could train people for developing, managing, maintaining and such, will take hard work or go in on renewables, will take hard work.
 

Amalthea

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I really don't know how anybody would even desire to be a coal miner. It's like the people who want those jobs back simply don't know how to do anything else, huh?
 
I'm sure someone will find a way to blame the Democrats for the job stealing sci-fi robot shit when those coal jobs don't come back.
 

kirblar

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A few good twitter links/posts came up yesterday on the issues w/ Coal-

First-
@interfluidity Steve Randy Waldman

Maybe we should think of Appalachian problems more in terms of a resource curse.
What he's referring to, per Wiki- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
The resource curse, also known as the paradox of plenty, refers to the paradox that countries with an abundance of non-renewable natural resources (like fossil fuels and certain minerals), tend to have less economic growth, less democracy, and worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources. This is hypothesized to happen for many different reasons, and there are many academic debates about when and why it occurs. Most experts believe the resource curse is not universal or inevitable, but affects certain types of countries or regions under certain conditions

He was also retweeting this chain of tweets on the issues w/ Coal and how it likely caused massive cultural issues - https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/847211521654620160 (tweetchain is too long to post in full, but here's a relevant snippet)
There are definitely some good things happening in Huntington and some productive ideas. But seems like they're not aiming at root causes.

Too many people in Appalachia think they're poor/struggling because coal left. No. The region was struggling even at peak-coal.

In some ways coal helped the region! In some ways, it hurt. Biggest damage was expectation an uneducated man can make $80k/yr, retire young.

By absolutely toppling the returns to education in Appalachia, the coal industry quite accidentally reinforced an existing anti-skills bias.

People often want to say coal made Appalachia poor because it was rapacious or unprincipled or violent or dirty. Okay, whatever.

So was the textile industry, but Massachusetts is doing juuuuust fine. Rather, coal hurt Appalachia by altering *social norms*

An alteration that was possible *in part* because coal exacerbated some existing bad latent tendencies in the local culture.

This would be fine if coal also enhanced latent good tendencies (e.g. extremely close-knit extended families). But it didn't.

All that to say: this is, IMHO, the underlying factor in Appalachia's constant search for The Next Coal.

And it's so damaging. There is no next coal. Coal was a unique industry. The future will be fundamentally different from the past.

And to be clear, liberal Appalachians don't get this either. They think eds+meds+welfare is The Next Coal, and are wrong.

I'm not using "Appalachia" here as code for "conservative." I think this is a bipartisan psychosis that afflicts the region's whole outlook.

Everybody agrees an unskilled man should should have a near-guaranteed job making enough to support a family of 6 because COAL.
And Matt Yglesias popped in to drop a study that found that having a Mine nearby depressed entrepeneurial activity - https://t.co/hpx1OAeAYU
 
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