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Does Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite have a low budget?
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Why not? Even though I didn't like he game he brought about a resurgence of fighting games back in 2009 with his work on SFIV. Harada worked on T7 for years after the arcade release yet it still came out barebones. As for the tweet, I think he simply said that to shut up FChump's whining.
Probably. SFV only got made because Sony dropped some money bags at Capcom's offices. And after how badly they dropped the ball with that game and how utterly shit its post-launch sales have been, I can't see them wanting to spend all that much on Mahvel. To be honest it's surprising it even exists. Makes me wonder what kind of deal they have with Marvel, maybe they're also paying for some of the development.
Maybe you didn't realize this but Namco is footing the bill for that DBZ game. Their previous Dragon Ball and Naruto fighters are all pretty popular so I doubt they're skimping on this one.
Maybe you didn't realize this but Namco is footing the bill for that DBZ game. Their previous Dragon Ball and Naruto fighters are all pretty popular so I doubt they're skimping on this one.
shadowstar
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Not sure what you're trying to prove. That doesn't look good.
This game has always looked butt ugly in every tournament I've watched it being played.
Jawmuncher
Member
I'll never understand how you can call MVC3 bad looking. That game holds up amazingly well considering it's age. Especially when compared to SF4.
I remember when posters, myself included, were saying the same thing about SFV... just delay 6 mos, a year, whatever, release it when it's ready!
Opinions and all, but you picked the worst 2 looking games. MvC2 and particularly SF4 are hard to look at.
shadowstar
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I mean to each their own. It's an opinion on aesthetics. I guess we should all stop talking about whether art direction is good or bad like it's fact.
However, anyone claiming that MVC2 had good art direction, with a mugen-like mish mash of sprites (which is what I was responding to) can't be taken seriously.
TheListOfToddicho
Member
The art style is a little weird in some ways, especially in the faces. Which is odd, as the recent Street Fighter games, even SFIV, has better face models that MVCI. At least in my opinion they do.
Chromatic Aberration is the art director of Marvel Infinite.
Fair enough.
I thought MvC2's 3D backgrounds were impressive during the Dreamcast days, but that's about it. The original MvC is probably the one that's if not the best looking, the most cohesive one.
I don't know if I've ever heard someone describe SF4 as good looking.
If you look at some of the later characters on some of the better stages, the game can look nice. For example, Dudley vs. Makoto on the construction or safari stage. It just started off rough in terms of models. I like the stages better than SFV's default ones.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
You had me at MVC2 and then you lost me. I'm thinking like 80% budget and 20% bad art design. I didn't mind MVC3's look, but I've also made peace with the fact that Capcom won't be making something that looks as good as MVC2 did to me ever again.
PhoenixEgg
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Whatever the budget case, it has certainly got low characters.
That may be true for the grunt work but the directors and designers are staff veterans.
For example Marvel Infinite's game designers have worked at Capcom since the 90s.
Since SF4, Capcom has taken more input from people who came from the FGC as well (Seth Killian, Woshige and Combofiend).
Spyder_Monkey
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MvC is such a huge game among fighting game fans that I'm shocked it looks as bad as it is. Yet again Capcom has been on a "fuck my shit up fam" streak barring RE7 so I don't what's up with them.
Turbanator
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I'd just like to note that, based on a Capcom rep as well as art leaks that came out right before E3, the demos (and possibly the trailer) use assets from a March build of the game.
Not that i think it'll look much better at all by launch, for the record, just saying.
Not that i think it'll look much better at all by launch, for the record, just saying.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
I don't know, does it?
Its weird how bad she looks, especially coming off SF5.
Chris and Dante I can kinda understand.
Yeah. MvC2 is a classic, but the game was never a looker.
Papacheeks
Banned
The weight of characters and physics are different, but buttons were similar with having a launch button medium kick, punch, and strong attack.
Chris Redfield even had the lay prone move close to the same. That's what I meant, I mean yea the feel less floaty but button/move wise they are very close.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
mvc2 looks like trash and you know it. take off the nostalgia glasses.
mvc3 still holds up well and looks amazing.
pla-pla-place holder
Member
This just looks like they had no point of reference when they made this no way she look like this on paper.I don't know, does it?
Monster Hunter World is looking good, so it's really just Capcom's fighting games.
UnemployedVillain
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They're using it for the new Monster Hunter. The real question is how much money they've blown on the failed Panty Raid engine
ScottSullivan
Member
I see I'm getting a lot of flak for saying MVC3 doesn't look good, I dunno maybe its just a personal taste thing, but I've watched the game in motion just as much as anyone, and those screen shots you posted just look like a muddy, bland mess to me, but to each his own
Well they apparently had their new engine Panta Rhei which was supposed to be used on Deep Down and some unannounced titles but something makes me think they ditched it for UE4. Is MvCI built in UE4 or some proprietary engine?
Sad Affleck
Member
It does look rather bad so yeah, it could be a budget issue.
UrbanDandy
Member
This could be one of the reasons. Although, to be fair, doesn't it cost more for Capcom to outsource their games?
What am I reading?
UrbanDandy
Member
Yeah, PR engine is pretty much DoA (Dead on Arrival) if they didn't show anything pertaining to it (although I still hold out hope it will be shown at TGS this year). It's weird that Capcom has this engine(still in development), and yet made another engine exclusively for RE 7, which makes me think what was left for their other games. So maybe Capcom decided to go on the cheap and use UE.
Etrian Oddity
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It reminds me of Killer 7's art style, but not in a good way.
I assumed it as soon as I saw the leak that "MvC4" was going back to 2v2 and that there were no X-Men characters
That was before we knew what it looked like, so it's not even debatable at this point
It's so lame that this is the new trend for fighting games that aren't from NRS (my least-favorite modern FG developer). I'd make a thread about it if I wasn't so lazy on the internet
That was before we knew what it looked like, so it's not even debatable at this point
It's so lame that this is the new trend for fighting games that aren't from NRS (my least-favorite modern FG developer). I'd make a thread about it if I wasn't so lazy on the internet
petran79
Banned
MVCI probably would've looked better if it retained the comic book look in MVC3.
What happened to Morrigan... D:
Grettir_the_Swole
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I hope so.
Considering it will sell 1/10 what Injustice 2 sold we can only hope it has 1/10 the budget to match and Capcom isn't trying to sink themselves over some bull shit like pretty characters.
More importantly OP... budget isn't the number 1 thing that dictates how good games look. Developers know how to balance their art style vs skills vs budget to make games look awesome at any level. There are too many examples to mention here.
It's not money (or the lack of) that has made Chun Li ugly.
My personal assumption is A) Capcom's visual style was dictated by Marvel, who thought this was a good idea and B) significant time crunch.
Considering it will sell 1/10 what Injustice 2 sold we can only hope it has 1/10 the budget to match and Capcom isn't trying to sink themselves over some bull shit like pretty characters.
More importantly OP... budget isn't the number 1 thing that dictates how good games look. Developers know how to balance their art style vs skills vs budget to make games look awesome at any level. There are too many examples to mention here.
It's not money (or the lack of) that has made Chun Li ugly.
My personal assumption is A) Capcom's visual style was dictated by Marvel, who thought this was a good idea and B) significant time crunch.
I fully get that it's tempting to point the finger at Capcom's incompetencies again but wouldn't Marvel be footing at least part of the bill in this case (as well as determining the launch window and as such, development time), seeing as the game serves to promote their characters?
Not sure how these kind of licensed games work but normally you'd think that a well off company like Marvel / Disney would have enough money to help make sure that one of the key releases on consoles that features their characters would look at least as attractive as the console competition (i.e. DC's Injustice 2).
As a sidenote, I continue to not have nearly the same problems with MVC:I's overall look as people here generally seem to have. Apart from a few faces looking off, admittedly, I actually like how the game and most of the character models look. MVC3's character models actually always looked a bit too dark / "shadowy" to me so I like how clear, well lit, shiny and colorful the cast looks in Infinite.
Not sure how these kind of licensed games work but normally you'd think that a well off company like Marvel / Disney would have enough money to help make sure that one of the key releases on consoles that features their characters would look at least as attractive as the console competition (i.e. DC's Injustice 2).
As a sidenote, I continue to not have nearly the same problems with MVC:I's overall look as people here generally seem to have. Apart from a few faces looking off, admittedly, I actually like how the game and most of the character models look. MVC3's character models actually always looked a bit too dark / "shadowy" to me so I like how clear, well lit, shiny and colorful the cast looks in Infinite.
I can't tell whos trolling anymore. There are people who think mvc2 looks good, and there are people who think mvc3 looks bad.
Run PC umvc3 on a high resolution on PC and it's aged extremely well. it's art design is:
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MvC1 looks like a nice cohesive 90s comic book, while MvC3 looks like a high res modern graphic novel. Which one looks nicer depends on whether you like sprites (MvC1) or 3d models with a dash of ink (umvc3)
As for mvci the less said the better
Run PC umvc3 on a high resolution on PC and it's aged extremely well. it's art design is:
G O A T
O
A
T
MvC1 looks like a nice cohesive 90s comic book, while MvC3 looks like a high res modern graphic novel. Which one looks nicer depends on whether you like sprites (MvC1) or 3d models with a dash of ink (umvc3)
As for mvci the less said the better
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