ElephantShell
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Agreed. The first game had some dark and heavy shit but I'm 100% expecting this game to make me cry.
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Ellie is the main playable character in The Last of Us: Part II
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Agreed. The first game had some dark and heavy shit but I'm 100% expecting this game to make me cry.
Yes. It's been years and there's no telling it how long it could be after this hypothetical and how other events in the meantime could've messed their relationship up even more.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Why is my opinion of your opinion sad? Because it goes against your opinion? That's sad!
A 40 year old dude using the "I know you are but what am I" line of argumentation, lol now I've seen it all
The main theme being "Hate" could just as easily be about overcoming personal hate for someone or about love just as much.
John Kowalski
Banned
You made a post noting the importance of players who want to play as Joel while there's a strong, general movement in the industry towards more diverse main characters, you expect the content of your post not to be challenged? What do you think it says about the strength of your opinions if you scare away from resisting to scrutiny, instead choosing to say that opinions don't need scrutiny because they are worthless anyway?
A big part of having an opinion is considering all aspects of whatever it is you have an opinion about, they're not meant to be primal and instinctive reactions, they're supposed to be posited, considered stances. An opinion that doesn't take into consideration other people displays that same quality of its, uh, opiner.
"You know, Joel, we really are The Last of Us... Part II" *shoots Joel*
There won't be, we've had Tomb Raider.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Saying unironically that the only reason men would empathize with a concept like women being treated equally is because they wanna get laid, holy fucking shit, while simultaneously complaining that said mindset, as in, EQUAL TREATMENT FOR WOMEN, is ruining the games industry, what the actual fuck. Yes, Neil Druckmann is treating a character like Ellie freely because he wants to get laid, a married man with a kid just wants a harem of feminists. These dudes are some straight up fuckbois but at least their showing their asses so we can show them the door.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Noctis Lucis Caelum is one year older than Ellie in TLOU Part II. Just saying.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
I don't like a character that you like, so you're laughing and dissing my opinion because it goes against what you believe. You don't see the redundancy in that?
There are a lot of characters in games that I don't like as a matter of fact; in Final Fantasy VII I can't stand Cait Sith and if you like Cait Sith, then are you going to laugh at the fact that I don't like him?
Any Questions
Member
This game
If I don't feel some reasonable connection with the main character then I'm not invested in them succeeding. Why waste my time helping a complete ass accomplish whatever they're trying to do? That's why I passed on GTA V. Obviously this is a personal take on things that isn't universally shared.
It's not that the character has to be a good person, but I have to at least be able to empathize with them. Joel clearly fell into the morally grey area but I understood his situation and motivations. That was enough, but I'm really looking forward to a game with Ellie as the primary playable character.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
It was pretty obvious, from the ending of the first.
Joel was in no "maining" shape for a sequel, and the fact that Ellie's immune, the way they left the fireflies.... add 2 n 2 together.
Joel was in no "maining" shape for a sequel, and the fact that Ellie's immune, the way they left the fireflies.... add 2 n 2 together.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Oh btw:
Please. If you are that sensitive to spoilers and care that much about TLoU's plot, play the game original game already...
I refuse to believe this is a real post. Spoiler of what? That Ellie is in the game? I guess it "spoils" that she survives in TLoU1, but it could have been a prequel. But anyway, come on -- were you really expecting to go 2-3 years (or however long until TLoU 2 is out) without knowing who the game's protagonist was going to be?
Please. If you are that sensitive to spoilers and care that much about TLoU's plot, play the game original game already...
My only guess would be if someone wanted a complete blackout on the game, knowing Ellie is the main playable character is kind of a spoiler. That's all I got. Don't know how that relates to the first game though.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
You know full well that people aren't laughing at you because you dislike a character, but because of this line:
"I'm a 40 year-old male and the notion of playing as a teenage girl seems off-putting and not entertaining whatsoever to me."
CosmicQueso
Member
I'm a slightly older male that both feels sorry for you while laughing at your childish opinion.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hopefully she realises
that Joel was a dick in the first game and tries to do the right thing.
Darryl M R
Member
To quote yourself did not say that you just did not like Ellie as a character.
This is what people are responding to. Ellie in TLOUS2 could be an amazing character. Aloy (I don't know her age but she is young) in Horizon could also be an amazing character, but they are already off putting for you because of their sex and age.
PhazonBlazer
Member
I mean most people thought Joel would die in the first one, and that
would die in Uncharted 4. Naughty Dog never does what I expect them to do.
Sam.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
And he
ages 10 years in the game
I'm not a female, nor am I a teenager - so that makes me not relate to Ellie and makes me uninterested in playing as her. Noctis is a male - which I am also - but I'm not 20. But I love anime, fantasy games and action games, so therefore he's a very relatable, likeable character to me. Ellie is a whiny, stubborn, too-cool-for-school, grungy teenager that has a chip on her shoulder and if I played The Last of Us Part II, I'd be forced to only play as her.
That doesn't seem very interesting, fun, worthwhile or a good way to spend my entertainment time.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Because combat can't possibly be visceral with a female character? Keep digging that hole bud.
MindGamingMantis
Banned
This.
Triggered.
it does spoil that ellie survives the first game which is kind of a big spoiler, considering
also I doubt a prequel would have used "Part II" in the title
You weren't paying attention to the last 10 minutes of The Last of Us if you don't think she already does think this.
John Kowalski
Banned
Your life must be very hard if you can only relate to male characters of your age.
Giraffes could have trampled Joel to death. And Ellie is going to kill them all. I mean a lot of things COULD happen. But based on what we do know of the story so far having Ellie kill Joel then have chats with his ghost would be a weird direction to go.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Motivations? His motivations were entirely self serving, just like Kratos. Their situations actually have a lot of paralells. They both had family murdered, and it turned them into monsters. Yes, Joel had to kill people to survive, but he did so in unnecessarily brutal ways, like Kratos. Not only that, but he ALWAYS acted in a way that was self serving, again like Kratos. The end of the game, he made his way through the laboratory, going through every one, stopping at nothing to get what he wanted, even though it meant fucking up a chance to help heal humanity, all because he couldn't cope with the loss of his daughter and needed Ellie to fill that roll (you can again draw parallels to Kratos in GOW III trying to protect Pandora).
Unlike Kratos, in the end Joel did what he did throughout the entire game, and acted in ways that only benefited him, while the K man "killed" himself and gave hope back to humanity. And here we are in a world where everyone praises the character of Joel when he is as subtle as a flying brick and as deep as a kiddie pool. Great performance by Troy Baker though.
Show me where I said that. I said he was hilarious.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Okay. I'm in.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
You sound like a nice person.
You want to have an empowering male lead, play <huge fucking list of AAA video games>.
Half the reason? citation needed
Well again, if you expect to go several years without knowing who the protagonist of a Famous Game Part 2 is, you're deluding yourself. If you care that much about this kind of spoiler, play the original game already.
Darryl M R
Member
I feel like the current discussion ITT is very on topic and relevant.
A great game is getting a sequel with a female lead
People are against Ellie for the reason of her age and sex
The industry insiders have commented on the need for more diverse protagonists
We are on a video game forum discussing a video game protagonist
So I can't see how someone would think it is unreasonable for people to respond to their opinion that comes off as very outdated and tone death.
I'm looking forward to seeing Ellie's growth from TLOU to Part 2. I mean we even see her hands shaken in the trailer. She's been through some shit. But naaah let's just write her off.
A great game is getting a sequel with a female lead
People are against Ellie for the reason of her age and sex
The industry insiders have commented on the need for more diverse protagonists
We are on a video game forum discussing a video game protagonist
So I can't see how someone would think it is unreasonable for people to respond to their opinion that comes off as very outdated and tone death.
I'm looking forward to seeing Ellie's growth from TLOU to Part 2. I mean we even see her hands shaken in the trailer. She's been through some shit. But naaah let's just write her off.
Fancy Clown
Member
Characters can do horrible things and still be likeable. Complex and interesting characters > "good" characters
It's not a spoiler after all these years. At that point, and the fact they're scouring a gaming forum that just announced a sequel, it's on them to continue not being spoiled for THEM.
The internet is too big to tip toe around things like that.
Unless the thread explicitly states no spoilers and it's recent...I refuse to try and play that game. Ellie survives.
Mental deterioration. Lots of reasons why it COULD happen.
This kinda reminds me of the time when someone made a big deal that raichu was getting an Alola form for the Sun&Moon game and they included it in the title. It was something funny.
Also some of you are really wacky which is to be expected I guess.
??? Did you not play the first game? She saved his ass plenty.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I'm a 30 year old male and the notion of playing as a teenage girl is appealing because of how appealing Ellie was as a character. 
friskykillface
Banned
RIP Joel , hope he is in the game at least, if he is dead when the game starts I'll be bummed because he should at least be seen.
I did like playing as Ellie in the DLC so this is pretty cool news
I did like playing as Ellie in the DLC so this is pretty cool news
You never role play? Playing Tyranny at the moment and I absolutely enjoy being an evil dick.
cj_iwakura
Member
Well this thread got stupid fast...
Sounds great to me.
Sounds great to me.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I can't believe we're finally getting a AAA game with an unavoidable LGBT lead.
What a time to be alive.
What a time to be alive.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Uh, watch the reveal trailer?
He's right there in the trailer, and Ellie talks to him, obviously angry at someone or something that isn't him, so at that point in the story he's still her friend/ally at least. Joel is not only in the game, there is zero evidence that he'll die so far.
I agree, I think enough time has passed since the first game. I don't have a problem with the thread title by the way, I just thought the poster I quoted was being pretty obtuse about the whole thing. it's a spoiler. ain't no two ways about it. however it's a spoiler from a game that came out over 3 years ago.