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Chamber
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(03-19-2017, 03:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by miladesn

Q7 review seems bizarre. "Out of spec", huh.

It turns out Samsung confirmed their findings.

Update 03/17/2017: We invited Samsung's engineers to our lab in Montreal. They confirmed the validity of our measurements of peak brightness on our two units using their equipment. They commented that peak brightness measurements are lower than specification, the Q7 should reach 1000 nits while viewing HDR in Movie mode. They are investigating the issue.

Neat Machine
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(03-19-2017, 03:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by metalmachine

Are you guys still getting the PS4 Pro black screen w/audio dropping issue? I was hoping this would be taken care of with some update either on the PS4 or the KS800 but it's still happening at random. I can go for 12 hours straight without an issue but have it happen a couple of times within a 2 hour gaming session.

I know there's a fix but I think it entails dropping down to a lesser video format.

Still happening. It's really unacceptable, and since it doesn't happen with Xbox One HDR or anything else and it does happen on other TVs, I'm blaming Sony and steering clear in the future.

I've tried three different certified cables.
Rbk_3
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(03-19-2017, 03:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by hlhbk

By default optical audio doesn't have enough bandwidth to send more than 2.0 audio. You will need to have software on the pc encode the audio to 5.1. Since I have a sound blaster card I had to enable dolby digital live to get 5.1 audio via optical.

What software?

Originally Posted by EvB

Why are you sending 5.1 to the TV?

So it can pass it through to his receiver/sound bar via optical out, I imagine.
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EvB
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(03-19-2017, 03:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rbk_3

What software?


So it can pass it through to his receiver/sound bar via optical out, I imagine.

Ah I see, I've never come across a Tv that will pass 5.1 out of the TV via optical. Presumably in order to adhere to the HDMI copy protection standards.
Clockwork
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(03-19-2017, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by EvB

Ah I see, I've never come across a Tv that will pass 5.1 out of the TV via optical. Presumably in order to adhere to the HDMI copy protection standards.

You haven't come across many TV's then, have you?
nekkid
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(03-19-2017, 03:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Clockwork

You haven't come across many TV's then, have you?

Just to confirm, does this TV pass through 5.1 from HDMI to optical out?

I was also under the impression that this was quite rare.
Clockwork
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(03-19-2017, 04:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by nekkid

Just to confirm, does this TV pass through 5.1 from HDMI to optical out?

I was also under the impression that this was quite rare.

Yes.

Dolby Digital or DTS. Not PCM. PCM is limited to stereo.
Flandy
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(03-19-2017, 04:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by EvB

Why are you sending 5.1 to the TV?

To pass it through to my sound system

Originally Posted by nekkid

Just to confirm, does this TV pass through 5.1 from HDMI to optical out?

I was also under the impression that this was quite rare.

Yeah but only via bitstream. I also tried hdmi but that didn't work

Originally Posted by Roarer

I can't get DD or DTS from my PC or my Wii U using to optical out from the TV. Tried changing all the settings on the tv with no luck. Works as it should when plugged directly into the receiver.

If the Switch is like the Wii U which I'm pretty sure it is then it won't work via optical. It only outputs via PCM 5.1 which optical does not have the bandwidth to carry. You'll need to use HDMI
nekkid
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(03-19-2017, 05:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Clockwork

Yes.

Dolby Digital or DTS. Not PCM. PCM is limited to stereo.

Cool, thanks. That'll serve my old optical-only amp quite well.

Need to research a new sound system, but that's for another thread.
Rbk_3
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(03-19-2017, 05:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by nekkid

Just to confirm, does this TV pass through 5.1 from HDMI to optical out?

I was also under the impression that this was quite rare.

Rtings tests which TVs can pass 5.1. Most new TVs can.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs...io-passthrough
hlhbk
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(03-20-2017, 07:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rbk_3

What software?

It depends on your sound card.
nekkid
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(03-20-2017, 08:43 AM)
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So now mine is mounted on the wall, I'm looking to see if other people have set up a rear glow solution a la Philips?

I've seen really cool dynamic ones built using a Raspberry Pi (which sounds like a great project if you have time), but didn't know if there were any OOTB kits?

Either that or has anyone added a static rear glow, and how does it look?
laxu
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(03-20-2017, 10:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by nekkid

So now mine is mounted on the wall, I'm looking to see if other people have set up a rear glow solution a la Philips?

I've seen really cool dynamic ones built using a Raspberry Pi (which sounds like a great project if you have time), but didn't know if there were any OOTB kits?

Either that or has anyone added a static rear glow, and how does it look?

I have used some warm white IKEA led strips on the back of my TVs for years and I like it. I feel it makes the picture nicer to watch. The multicolor IKEA ones are far worse as they have a very cold white color.

Obviously the ones that change color depending on the content are nicer but afaik pretty expensive and you run into issues like finding a device that can split the signal and pass through 4K @ 60 Hz + HDR + HDCP 2.2 without adding input lag. I really wish manufacturers just licensed the tech from Philips and had it as a feature on every TV.

Until then I'll probably be sticking with the cheap IKEA solution.
nekkid
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(03-20-2017, 10:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by laxu

I have used some warm white IKEA led strips on the back of my TVs for years and I like it. I feel it makes the picture nicer to watch. The multicolor IKEA ones are far worse as they have a very cold white color.

Obviously the ones that change color depending on the content are nicer but afaik pretty expensive and you run into issues like finding a device that can split the signal and pass through 4K @ 60 Hz + HDR + HDCP 2.2 without adding input lag. I really wish manufacturers just licensed the tech from Philips and had it as a feature on every TV.

Until then I'll probably be sticking with the cheap IKEA solution.

That's great info, thank you. Also good to know that warm white works better than cool white, so I'll just look at getting some of those and powering from the USB port.
laxu
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(03-20-2017, 10:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by nekkid

That's great info, thank you. Also good to know that warm white works better than cool white, so I'll just look at getting some of those and powering from the USB port.

I'd say the warm white I have is closer to neutral white (think of a light bulb that is just a tiny bit yellowish tint) whereas the multicolor ones have a much colder color temperature.
nekkid
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(03-20-2017, 12:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by laxu

I'd say the warm white I have is closer to neutral white (think of a light bulb that is just a tiny bit yellowish tint) whereas the multicolor ones have a much colder color temperature.

I'll have to try out some of the multicolour ones. I do like the idea of changing to whatever I want, but as you say, those cool whites can be quite harsh.
laxu
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(03-20-2017, 01:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by nekkid

I'll have to try out some of the multicolour ones. I do like the idea of changing to whatever I want, but as you say, those cool whites can be quite harsh.

As did I but I quickly figured out that for a static glow light only the warm white looks good.
h3ro
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(03-20-2017, 02:19 PM)
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For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.
Syrus
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(03-20-2017, 02:52 PM)
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Anyone here play Mass Effect trial?? Does the picture start bright but dim on the loading screen after dying?

All eco is off and it does it on movie , stabdard and game settings.

Never does this anywhere else though
JMY86
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(03-20-2017, 03:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Syrus

Anyone here play Mass Effect trial?? Does the picture start bright but dim on the loading screen after dying?

All eco is off and it does it on movie , stabdard and game settings.

Never does this anywhere else though

Yeah my game did this as well, it would get dimmer on the load screen when the bar reached around 75%. I tried fiddling around with the settings but it made no difference. Could maybe be a bug with the game HDR.
family_guy
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(03-20-2017, 03:04 PM)

Originally Posted by h3ro

For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.

I left it at automatic on both the TV and PS4. Not sure if that's optimal, but I have no complaints so far.
georaldc
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(03-20-2017, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by h3ro

For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.

Automatic should work as long as you don't touch the settings again to check. I remember it (not sure if it's the PS4's fault, or the TV) losing auto detection when doing that.
Syrus
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(03-20-2017, 04:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by JMY86

Yeah my game did this as well, it would get dimmer on the load screen when the bar reached around 75%. I tried fiddling around with the settings but it made no difference. Could maybe be a bug with the game HDR.


Ya it seems the load screen drops HDR right before finishing. Glad its not just me
philm87
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(03-20-2017, 04:28 PM)

Originally Posted by h3ro

For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.

I'd recommend full on the PS4 and HDMI black level as normal on the TV. This doesn't make a difference with HDR though. If the colours look a bit washed out, try sticking the colour level up to 60.

Remember to fiddle with the brightness also as that effects black levels.
Goose_Se7en
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(03-20-2017, 04:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Clockwork

You haven't come across many TV's then, have you?

I've been around this thread from the beginning and I've seen you post on and off but boy can you be so abrasive. Little quips, rarely of value and very irritating.
Baro
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(03-20-2017, 04:43 PM)

Originally Posted by h3ro

For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.

I tried using auto on both but I realized that something wasn't right, especially on HDR. Since then Ive chosen Full on ps4 and normal on TV and it works great.
Lima
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(03-20-2017, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by h3ro

For those using a regular PS4 with this TV, what setting do you use for the console/TV HDMI level/RGB? Full or Limited?

I split my time playing FFXV on this set and on a Pannasonic VT60, so I love the HDR but I get the feeling my black levels are not correct.

Same as on your plasma. Either limited/normal or full/full.

Samsung just used other words. Limited/low or full/normal should be the combinations.

Do keep in mind that the Pana plasma will still shit all over the blacks the Samsung can produce.
Lacix
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(03-20-2017, 05:14 PM)

Originally Posted by philm87

I'd recommend full on the PS4 and HDMI black level as normal on the TV. This doesn't make a difference with HDR though. If the colours look a bit washed out, try sticking the colour level up to 60.

Remember to fiddle with the brightness also as that effects black levels.

Full/Normal is the only combination acceptable for me with my Samsung 49KS7000.

Limited/Low or Auto gives me same black/white crush in HDR mode.

I know DVDs and Blu-rays are supposed to be coded in limited rgb but it seems to me that the PS4 "upscales" the color range when using Full/Normal. So no problem there I think.
mckmas8808
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(03-20-2017, 05:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by reektann

I've started to notice that anything running HDR on the 8000 looks oddly dim. Horizon Zero Dawn as an example. When you speak to somebody at night you see the panel almost dim as it focuses on the main character.

Read up a bit and saw somebody mention there is some sort of dimming effect you can't disable in HDR? A few people on the Samsung forums seemingly get round it with dynamic contrast on medium solely for HDR.

Anyone else seeing this? It's not the end of the world - just looks like there is a layer of dimness over the top.

That's the game! It's not your TV. It does it on my TV too and I don't have 4k nor HDR.
AndyD
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(03-20-2017, 05:22 PM)
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So are people using the breakout box or the main inputs on the back?

Can you use a mixture? I am thinking do I put the Chromecast on the back or on the box.
Sleeping Lesson
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(03-20-2017, 05:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by AndyD

So are people using the breakout box or the main inputs on the back?

Can you use a mixture? I am thinking do I put the Chromecast on the back or on the box.

The only inputs on the back are USB, ex-link, ethernet, and One Connect box.
JetSetRadio
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(03-20-2017, 07:45 PM)
Just noticed when I turn on/off my desk lamp the sound drops for a second and I get image distortion. What the fuck??
hlhbk
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(03-21-2017, 12:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by JetSetRadio

Just noticed when I turn on/off my desk lamp the sound drops for a second and I get image distortion. What the fuck??

Sounds like some bad power wiring in your home.
lowhighkang_LHK
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(03-21-2017, 12:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by reektann

I've started to notice that anything running HDR on the 8000 looks oddly dim. Horizon Zero Dawn as an example. When you speak to somebody at night you see the panel almost dim as it focuses on the main character.

Read up a bit and saw somebody mention there is some sort of dimming effect you can't disable in HDR? A few people on the Samsung forums seemingly get round it with dynamic contrast on medium solely for HDR.

Anyone else seeing this? It's not the end of the world - just looks like there is a layer of dimness over the top.

Did you turn UHD Color On for all associated HDMI inputs?
JMY86
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(03-21-2017, 12:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Syrus

Ya it seems the load screen drops HDR right before finishing. Glad its not just me

It must be a bug the PC and Xbox One versions both do this. I tried them both and the same thing happened each time.
Mitochondrion
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(03-21-2017, 12:41 AM)
Random question. Does anybody know what the letter S stand for in SUHD? I know UHD stands for Ultra High Definition.
Norci7
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(03-21-2017, 12:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mitochondrion

Random question. Does anybody know what the letter S stand for in SUHD? I know UHD stands for Ultra High Definition.

It doesn't stand for a specific word, the "S" is simply an identification for Samsung's flagship televisions.
meltingparappa
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(03-21-2017, 02:43 AM)
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Whelp.

Out of nowhere, my tv no longer seems like it connects to my receiver.

More specifically, I'm sending audio back via ARC, and have enjoyed being able to control my receiver using the tv's remote.

Now the tv will not recognize that a receiver is connected, or if it does, I get no audio and pressing the volume buttons won't change anything on the receiver.

I tried turning off anynet and turning it back on, plus cycling my tv and receiver a million times. Has this happened to anyone else?
JetSetRadio
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(03-21-2017, 08:37 PM)

Originally Posted by hlhbk

Sounds like some bad power wiring in your home.

Hmm, must be the lamp, it fell on the floor a while ago but is supposed to be fixed. Should I get rid of it? I don't want to risk anything.
Bastard cost more than a ps pro. :(
R-User!
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(03-21-2017, 09:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by meltingparappa

Whelp.

Out of nowhere, my tv no longer seems like it connects to my receiver.

More specifically, I'm sending audio back via ARC, and have enjoyed being able to control my receiver using the tv's remote.

Now the tv will not recognize that a receiver is connected, or if it does, I get no audio and pressing the volume buttons won't change anything on the receiver.

I tried turning off anynet and turning it back on, plus cycling my tv and receiver a million times. Has this happened to anyone else?

Sort of...

Without fully explaining right now, there is a pairing process that you initially do with the reciever, remote and TV to set the TV remote to control other devices; you may want to try to erase the setting that is associated with your reciever and re-pair the reciever to the remote.

I'll look later and post some more details when I can.
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georaldc
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(03-21-2017, 11:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mitochondrion

Random question. Does anybody know what the letter S stand for in SUHD? I know UHD stands for Ultra High Definition.

Probably something cheesy like "Super" or "Supreme"
SephCast
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(03-22-2017, 12:23 AM)
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Is there a 2017 version of this TV? Just wondering. I'm about to pull the trigger on the 60", but just seeing my options.
breander
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(03-22-2017, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by meltingparappa

Whelp.

Out of nowhere, my tv no longer seems like it connects to my receiver.

More specifically, I'm sending audio back via ARC, and have enjoyed being able to control my receiver using the tv's remote.

Now the tv will not recognize that a receiver is connected, or if it does, I get no audio and pressing the volume buttons won't change anything on the receiver.

I tried turning off anynet and turning it back on, plus cycling my tv and receiver a million times. Has this happened to anyone else?

This has happened to me a few times. The only solution I have found is to unplug the power to everything for a few mins then plug back in. It's super annoying. I found this happened a lot when I have my PS VR box plugged in. Then I noticed it happening a lot when I got my Switch.
Heel
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(03-22-2017, 12:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by SephCast

Is there a 2017 version of this TV? Just wondering. I'm about to pull the trigger on the 60", but just seeing my options.

MU8000 is very likely a refreshed 2017 model of the KS8000. Waiting on reviews to confirm and see if there's any differences, good or bad.
Chamber
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(03-22-2017, 12:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by SephCast

Is there a 2017 version of this TV? Just wondering. I'm about to pull the trigger on the 60", but just seeing my options.

The MU8000 is the 2017 version but it doesn't come in 60". I still think the KS8000 is the better buy given how often you can find it on sale now.
SephCast
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(03-22-2017, 12:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chamber

The MU8000 is the 2017 version but it doesn't come in 60". I still think the KS8000 is the better buy given how often you can find it on sale now.

Originally Posted by Heel

MU8000 is very likely a refreshed 2017 model of the KS8000. Waiting on reviews to confirm and see if there's any differences, good or bad.

Thanks. Likely going to go with the KS8000!
Heel
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(03-22-2017, 12:34 AM)
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Rtings already has an MU8000 in hand, so it shouldn't be too much longer to have a review.

Grinchy
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(03-22-2017, 01:11 AM)
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I checked out my brother's 8500 today and holy shit it looks amazing. I'm still using a samsung that I bought back in 2009, so this TV just feels like something that an advanced alien civilization would use in comparison.
philm87
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(03-22-2017, 08:23 AM)

Originally Posted by Mitochondrion

Random question. Does anybody know what the letter S stand for in SUHD? I know UHD stands for Ultra High Definition.

The S stands for sexy. But you already knew this deep down.
PodcastFips
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(03-22-2017, 08:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Grinchy

I checked out my brother's 8500 today and holy shit it looks amazing. I'm still using a samsung that I bought back in 2009, so this TV just feels like something that an advanced alien civilization would use in comparison.

I was in the same situation, my 2009 Samsung felt like a PC from the early 2000s.

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