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Morrigan Stark
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(03-02-2017, 02:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by cryptosporidium

who da hell is yojimbo lol

Really? Educate yourself :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yojimbo_(film)

For those who don't know, Sergion Leone's spaghetti western A Fistfull of Dollars (with Clint Eastwood) is a remake of Yojimbo.
Chaos2Frozen
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(03-02-2017, 02:37 PM)
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I've feel like the developers for both Nioh and For Honor have the same problem- that is to say two fanbase on opposite ends.

In For Honor it's between people who feels that assassin class characters have all the advantage, and people who thinks that defensive play is unbeatable at high levels.

In Nioh, you got people who thinks the game is too difficult and people who thinks the game is too easy. And later you're going to have the PvP crowd as well so that's another nightmare to balance.

EDIT: Of course, the solution is difficulty mode. But I can imagine people being too proud to reduce difficulty and we'll still the same same complaints of "Cheap, broken, impossible, unbeatable enemies!"
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Greddleok
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(03-02-2017, 02:40 PM)
I'm not touching PVP. The builds are so easily broken that it'll just be an absolute shitshow.

Not to mention I deal with a lot f stuff by parrying. That'll be straight up impossible with lag.
Caim
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(03-02-2017, 02:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hystzen

So for Gallantry text I need farm Defiled Holy Mountain end boss or do i have another way. It my favourite set in game

Yeah he drops it.
Zaventem
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(03-02-2017, 02:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Greddleok

I'm not touching PVP. The builds are so easily broken that it'll just be an absolute shitshow.

Not to mention I deal with a lot f stuff by parrying. That'll be straight up impossible with lag.

Well you never know if they'll give you clean slate characters with set points to pick from as a separation between the two.
IvorB
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(03-02-2017, 02:50 PM)
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I wonder if they will ever own up to the nerfing and give us an explanation. It's really not a cool bait and switch they pulled.
AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 02:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Greddleok

I'm not touching PVP. The builds are so easily broken that it'll just be an absolute shitshow.

Not to mention I deal with a lot f stuff by parrying. That'll be straight up impossible with lag.

I can parry in co-op just fine. Their netcode is pretty damn good. I don't see why it would be any different in pvp.

And I'm really hoping that pvp is a separate arena mode where all characters are normalized and a lot of shit is disabled or it will be a complete shitshow.

For example, what the hell is the point of dodging behind someone who over commits to a big attack if they can just hold L1 and guard omnidirectionally.
Fandangox
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(03-02-2017, 02:53 PM)
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I assume for PvP the community will try to come up with some set of rules or something, won't stop random/on the fly PvPs I guess.
Deku Tree
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(03-02-2017, 02:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by IvorB

I wonder if they will ever own up to the nerfing and give us an explanation. It's really not a cool bait and switch they pulled.

What nerfing?
AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 02:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Deku Tree

What nerfing?

I assume he's referring to the nerfing of the difficulty. A lot of groups of enemies got pulled out or changed to easier groups going from the three demos to the final game.
IvorB
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(03-02-2017, 02:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by cryptosporidium

who da hell is yojimbo lol

He was a boss in FFX as far as I can recall.
Bloodporne
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(03-02-2017, 02:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by cryptosporidium

who da hell is yojimbo lol

A badass Samurai flick.
IvorB
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(03-02-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Deku Tree

What nerfing?

The alpha, beta and last chance areas were all heavily nerfed.
myco666
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(03-02-2017, 03:09 PM)
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Yeah I remember having lot of trouble playing the beta and only got to a second shrine I think. With the full game I cruised through the whole level very easily outside of the boss. Same with the levels in alpha. Also the Spirit Stone Slumbers level was filled with enemies and was really nuts compared to what we got.
Hystzen
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(03-02-2017, 03:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Caim

Yeah he drops it.

Thanks

Ugh going take ages running to boss
Bloodporne
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(03-02-2017, 03:23 PM)
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After seeing the butchery that occurred in the Death Lilies mission, I really don't get why they didn't just turn down the damage numbers across the board instead of draining the level of enemies entirely if the difficulty was the issue.

Was in response to the nerf posts by the way, not still ranting from the last page haha.
laxu
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(03-02-2017, 03:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

EDIT: Of course, the solution is difficulty mode. But I can imagine people being too proud to reduce difficulty and we'll still the same same complaints of "Cheap, broken, impossible, unbeatable enemies!"

Depends on how you introduce difficulty. Just making enemies hit harder and take a ton of hits is not a good way to increase difficulty. Souls games largely handle difficulty with enemy placement and hard to predict enemy moves. NG+ modes largely just compensate your weapon level and stats.

I think Nioh has enough enemies that can take lots of hits to take down but most enemies have a very limited moveset that doesn't cover a lot of bases as you can usually just dodge behind them.
Pandora012
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(03-02-2017, 03:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by IvorB

He was a boss in FFX as far as I can recall.

Dude tried to bankrupt me every time I summoned him.

Originally Posted by Bloodporne

After seeing the butchery that occurred in the Death Lilies mission, I really don't get why they didn't just turn down the damage numbers across the board instead of draining the level of enemies entirely if the difficulty was the issue.

Was in response to the nerf posts by the way, not still ranting from the last page haha.

Seems like many of the missing elements were spread between Normal, Twilight, NG+, Twilight NG+, and Torii.
Kudo
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(03-02-2017, 03:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hystzen

So for Gallantry text I need farm Defiled Holy Mountain end boss or do i have another way. It my favourite set in game

Thought it was reward from the mission myself, got it on my first go.
Shouldn't be too rare, good luck.
IvorB
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(03-02-2017, 04:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pandora012

Dude tried to bankrupt me every time I summoned him.

Oh yeah he was a summon not a boss. My friend said he used to pay him money and he would go amazing things for him.
Deku Tree
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(03-02-2017, 04:54 PM)
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If you sign up to be a visitor then don't leave when you find out the player is not at the boss the second you show up.
Fandangox
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(03-02-2017, 04:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Deku Tree

If you sign up to be a visitor then don't leave when you find out the player is not at the boss the second you show up.

Yeah, unlike souls, I for some reason don't have any expectation of where I am gonna be summoned, I guess is because the levels are isolated, so it makes more sense in my head that someone also wants to summon for a level instead of just a boss.

That reminds me though, when I was playing Bloodborne and got summoned at the Nightmare of Mensis right before the boss, but the player was nowhere near, I searched for them and the finally found them, accompanied them until they summoned a third player, who was, I assume, also near to the boss, which we weren't close to. We made our way over there, but shortly hear the player dying, I think they just felt through the elevator lol
RangerBAD
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(03-02-2017, 05:06 PM)
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I finally got the Platinum trophy. If the DLC has trophies, please don't have any Twilight related trophies, Team Ninja!
YoRHa No.2 Type B
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(03-02-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Can someone give me a list of all smithing texts, where they are to be found and what they unlock?

I would like to know which of them I already have and where I have to farm the remaining.
SephiZack
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(03-02-2017, 05:42 PM)
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My ultimate boss compilation ;D

All Non-Final Yokai Bosses NG+(No Hit, No Onmyo, No Guardian Spirit, No Ninjutsu, No Items, No Armour)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4OMhBF1_Yg

Not sure I will do Orochi and Hundred Eyes
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AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 05:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by SephiZack

My ultimate boss compilation ;D

All Non-Final Yokai Bosses NG+(No Hit, No Omnyo, No Guardian Spirit, No Ninjutsu, No Items, No Armour)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4OMhBF1_Yg

Not sure I will do Orochi and Hundred Eyes

Oi, Zack, I love your videos, but come on man. EVERY TIME: oNmyo not omnyo.

Originally Posted by YoRHa No.2 Type B

Can someone give me a list of all smithing texts, where they are to be found and what they unlock?

I would like to know which of them I already have and where I have to farm the remaining.

I don't think anyone has that info. Not even the wiki.
SephiZack
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(03-02-2017, 05:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by AmethystEnd

Oi, Zack, I love your videos, but come on man. EVERY TIME: oNmyo not omnyo.

Oh shit I have never noticed and nobody ever told me xD Gotta change everything
AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 05:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by SephiZack

Oh shit I have never noticed and nobody ever told me xD Gotta change everything

Hahahaha, I thought that might've been the case.
Espada
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(03-02-2017, 05:48 PM)
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I farmed T+H for hours yesterday and barely got any weapon drops for either them or the mission reward. And this was with equipment drop rate stuff equipped.
AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Espada

I farmed T+H for hours yesterday and barely got any weapon drops for either them or the mission reward. And this was with equipment drop rate stuff equipped.

Did you also set your kodama blessing to Weapon drop rate?

I also wear a kodama bowl when I farm them.
Hystzen
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(03-02-2017, 06:36 PM)
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After 2 weeks finally onto Way Of Strong

Boss was a chump before you unlock it most deaths was Sakon took me a hour for some reason to beat him. Kept getting caught by that thunder thrust and super grab that can grab you mid move
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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(03-02-2017, 06:56 PM)
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what;s the best armor and weapon set for close katana combat? with mid stance as the main stance and Kato as my pokemon

i will post a pic of my current set which i fucking love that's why i havent changed it in a while when i get back from work
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Alfredo_V
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(03-02-2017, 07:09 PM)
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The search for loot, crafting, soulmatching, forging is addicting as hell :S but really fun! But man this game need some more enemy types.
RiderKairuu
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(03-02-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Are there stat caps? Wondering at what point I should stop focusing on certain stats.
AmethystEnd
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(03-02-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by RiderKairuu

Are there stat caps? Wondering at what point I should stop focusing on certain stats.

Nope. You can level all the way to 99 in every stat.

Read this for more information though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/commen...stat_softcaps/
Zesh
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(03-02-2017, 07:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by GifGafIsTheBestGaf

what;s the best armor and weapon set for close katana combat? with mid stance as the main stance and Kato as my pokemon

i will post a pic of my current set which i fucking love that's why i havent changed it in a while when i get back from work

Kingo is probably best, as katana builds tend to be back attack focused due to how absurd Sword of Execution is.
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(03-02-2017, 08:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Morrigan Stark

Really? Educate yourself :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yojimbo_(film)

For those who don't know, Sergion Leone's spaghetti western A Fistfull of Dollars (with Clint Eastwood) is a remake of Yojimbo.


And a bunch of other movies too. Basically any lone hired gun is based on yojimbo. Pretty much every kurosawa movie was remade. Star wars, even the godfather are loosely based on a few
Espada
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(03-02-2017, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by AmethystEnd

Did you also set your kodama blessing to Weapon drop rate?

I also wear a kodama bowl when I farm them.

Wait, the Kodama blessing even affects missions with no shrine present?
big fake
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(03-02-2017, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by AmethystEnd

...but if I gave you a percentage you'd still know how many regions there are by doing math.

But okay. you're 66% through.

I do enough math in my school life, I don't have the effort to do it in real life. A percentage suffices, thanks doe!
Bloodporne
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(03-02-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by FrankWza

And a bunch of other movies too. Basically any lone hired gun is based on yojimbo. Pretty much every kurosawa movie was remade. Star wars, even the godfather are loosely based on a few

Not the same league of quality but the Lone Wolf & Cub series sure is entertaining and great. Referring to the films here, never read the comics.
Chaos2Frozen
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(03-02-2017, 09:46 PM)
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Okay, which dual katana skill is "Moon Shadow"? Unless I'm completely blind I can't find it on the fextralite wiki :v
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(03-02-2017, 09:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bloodporne

Not the same league of quality but the Lone Wolf & Cub series sure is entertaining and great. Referring to the films here, never read the comics.

The comics are surprisingly good. Most of it is ridiculous violence and nudity for the sake of nudity but there's occasional great storytelling there. The chapter about the elderly assassins sent to kill Ogami Itto was a fantastic, self-contained short story.
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(03-02-2017, 09:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Okay, which dual katana skill is "Moon Shadow"? Unless I'm completely blind I can't find it on the fextralite wiki :v

If an enemy deflects your attack, you automatically fancy pants move to their back for an attack. Not really a fan of it myself, as taking away control has lead to being hit several times.

Speaking of skills, god of wind can make human bosses a joke, I mean damn. Huge Ki damage.
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(03-02-2017, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by RandomSeed

If an enemy deflects your attack, you automatically fancy pants move to their back for an attack. Not really a fan of it myself, as taking away control has lead to being hit several times.

Speaking of skills, god of wind can make human bosses a joke, I mean damn. Huge Ki damage.

Thanks and yes God of Wind III is amazing. The best part is even if the kick is blocked, the double slash could still be combo'd from it.

Frankly, I wish all combo chains don't break when you hit a guard. Guarding right now is quite strong against everything but big boss attacks.

Or at least give us a guardbreak move like in DS.
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(03-02-2017, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Thanks and yes God of Wind III is amazing. The best part is even if the kick is blocked, the double slash could still be combo'd from it.

Frankly, I wish all combo chains don't break when you hit a guard. Guarding right now is quite strong against everything but big boss attacks.

Or at least give us a guardbreak move like in DS.

And this is why I love my 91 Break Hinomotogo + Enko combo. You want to block? Okay, go ahead. Say goodbye to your Ki.

It makes people like Tachibana a joke.
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(03-02-2017, 10:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by AmethystEnd

Nope. You can level all the way to 99 in every stat.

Read this for more information though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/commen...stat_softcaps/

Much appreciated!
Augemitbutter
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(03-02-2017, 11:13 PM)
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i wonder if the high difficulty mission dlc will be part alpha/beta maps. those were clearly more difficult.
Chaos2Frozen
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(03-02-2017, 11:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by laxu

Depends on how you introduce difficulty. Just making enemies hit harder and take a ton of hits is not a good way to increase difficulty. Souls games largely handle difficulty with enemy placement and hard to predict enemy moves. NG+ modes largely just compensate your weapon level and stats.

I think Nioh has enough enemies that can take lots of hits to take down but most enemies have a very limited moveset that doesn't cover a lot of bases as you can usually just dodge behind them.

That was the case for Souls as well, most enemies can be circumvented by dodging through their attacks and hitting them in the back. Souls have a lot of 'variety' but most of those don't actually have difficult moves.

So anyway back to Nioh, Youkai are easy to make interesting since you can get them to do whatever and make them crazy looking. So for human enemies I think the way to go is to make them progressively more like the player characters. For example:

1) Bandits - only uses mid stances
2) Bandit Leader - uses all stances
3) Samurai - uses all stances, parries
4) Samurai Elite - uses all three stances, parries and some skills
5) Samurai Commander - uses Ki pulse, all stances, all skills

This can extend to Ninja, Onmyouji, or hell even warrior monks
Berserking Guts
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(03-03-2017, 12:14 AM)
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Fuck you Tengu. Eat my Sloth shithead >:(
Kar L
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(03-03-2017, 12:18 AM)
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Finally got the platinum last night!

I've been rolling around in 7/7 Obsidian Samurai set +3 and loving it so far. Got the smithing text for Nobunagas set too, even though I already have all of those pieces with crappy inheritables.

Definitely a strong contender for GOTY. Q1 gaming releases for 2017 have been insane.

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