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Heshinsi
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Banjo-Kazooie

That's all well and good, but since I cant change GIs clickbait article title for them I can at least enter the topic and discuss the actual article itself. Or at least *should* be able to.

I mean, you can tell right away from the first few responses that it was the typical read thread title > post about thread title > leave thread

Not all of us. I read the entire article to see how the title was validated. So it was see thread title > read article > discuss thread title > stay in thread. But I've got that out of my system. I was under the impression they meant "biggest franchise" period. For this gen of releases they are correct, in terms of games released and combined total sales. And Forza has always been one of the most critically acclaimed series of games anyways.
ElBoxyBrown
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

;)

Racing games where your car doesn't spin out from a banana peel. lol
jett
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Well, unlike a certain other racing developer, they're at least putting out games on a consistent basis.

Originally Posted by wodomon

Seriously wtf. Even poorly recieved GT6 sold 5.5mil. copies. Never mentioned GT's massive presence in motorsports in the article. God this is an advert clearly.

And GT5 sold 12 million. 17 if you add up Prologue.

That's a decline.

And they haven't released anything in four years. GT is literally a non-event this generation.
miserable
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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let's just say Forza is more relevant in 2017 than GT
shandy706
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

;)


Haha

Originally Posted by Alo0oy

I'm pretty sure GT6 alone outsold all of them combined.

I believe at least 3 of the Forza games in the last 4 years hit 2+ million. That would put them at 6 just for 3 of the games. There have been 4 games though...so if the 4th is 1-2 million...that would be 7+ million. That's without looking up any recent totals if they exist.
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Chris1
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Duxxy3

EA tried to shoehorn NFS into an open world racing game. Forza and Forza Horizon were built from the ground up to be a racing sim and an open world arcade racer.

Changing developers and killing off studios didn't help. Changing from outlaw racing to street racing to open world racing to street racing doesn't help. We know what to expect from both Forza titles. I have no idea what the next NFS will be about and when it will come out.

And then there's release gaps. Some years there's a NFS game. Some years there's nothing. I think there's a NFS game coming out this year. No idea. On the other hand, I know that there will be a Forza game in September.

EA couldn't have handled the NFS franchise any worse than if they had intentionally fucked it up.

NFS is every 2 years since Rivals. There will be a NFS this year.

Smart move too, if they released it during a Forza Horizon year it'd just get overshadowed these days. At least releasing it in Motorsport's year it stands a chance.
borges
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(03-20-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Theorry

Are people gonna read the article also? There is some nice insight in that.

You are asking for too much.
CrimsonGun
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(03-20-2017, 05:50 PM)
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Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?
m23
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(03-20-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Good article, bad title. Can't wait to see what FM7 has in store for us.
DocSeuss
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(03-20-2017, 05:51 PM)
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The gulf in quality between Forza and literally every other racing franchise is too vast.

I don't see anyone catching up with Forza at this point in time, unless someone drops, like, CD Projekt's The Fast & The Furious (feat. Playground on Driving Mechanics)
gundamkyoukai
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(03-20-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by ElBoxyBrown

I think they're specifically talking about simulation racers.

Relevancy of releases also counts.

NFS is not a sim racing game .
Either way just because a IP has not come out this gen does not making another one bigger than it .
Mutagenic
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(03-20-2017, 05:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

So because it's a racing game 'for kids', it no longer qualifies as a racing game? lol
FlutterPuffs
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(03-20-2017, 05:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

gt6 isn't a current gen game and released on a console with an install base mutliple times that of the xbox one

omg.

i'm not even going to reply anymore, i was just pointing out the people scoffing at the title because gt... exists? were silly.

Really? Here's the title:



Gran Turismo series has sold 76 million combined.

Now if it said that Forza is the biggest racing (simulation) IP this gen, they are right. You are the one doing the scoffing.
Heshinsi
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(03-20-2017, 05:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

Because the writer included need for speed, which is also not a sim. Car game where police can shock your car and holicoptors throw road spikes at you count, but banana peels some how takes you out of the conversation?
blakep267
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(03-20-2017, 05:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by gundamkyoukai

NFS is not a sim racing game .
Either way just because a IP has not come out this gen does not making another one bigger than it .

Then I guess half life is one of the biggest shooters out there am I right?
Garrett Hawke
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(03-20-2017, 05:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

Really? Here's the title:



Gran Turismo series has sold 76 million combined.

Now if it said that Forza is the biggest racing (simulation) IP this gen, they are right. You are the one doing the scoffing.

well if you want to get semantic, gran turismo isn't the world's biggest racing ip, it's mario kart. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...g-weekend.aspx
13ruce
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(03-20-2017, 05:54 PM)

Originally Posted by wapplew

I thought Mario kart is the biggest racing IP.

Same as Smash being the biggest Fighting IP for some reason people leave them out lol.
Jaded Alyx
(03-20-2017, 05:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

lol
FlutterPuffs
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(03-20-2017, 05:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by blakep267

Then I guess half life is one of the biggest shooters out there am I right?

I'm pretty sure Halo, COD sold more than the Half Life series. So no.

And point still stands, plus it's not like the Gran Turismo IP is dead.
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(03-20-2017, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

well if you want to get semantic, gran turismo isn't the world's biggest racing ip, it's mario kart. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...g-weekend.aspx

did you see the (simulation) bracket I put there for a reason.
CrimsonGun
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(03-20-2017, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mutagenic

So because it's a racing game 'for kids', it no longer qualifies as a racing game? lol

Nuance is a real thing and should be used when discussing certain topics.
Garrett Hawke
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(03-20-2017, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

I'm pretty sure Halo, COD sold more than the Half Life series. So no.

And point still stands, plus it's not like the Gran Turismo IP is dead.

the point doesn't still stand.

either mario kart is the best selling racing ip, in which case it is also the biggest racing ip of this gen, or mario kart doesn't count, gt is the biggest racing ip ever and then forza is the biggest racing ip of this gen.

which is absolutely basis for this title, because forza has actually released in this gen.

Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

did you see the (simulation) bracket I put there for a reason.

okay, so -

Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

......lol. Goalposts being shifted as we speak.

blakep267
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(03-20-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

I'm pretty sure Halo, COD sold more than the Half Life series. So no.

And point still stands, plus it's not like the Gran Turismo IP is dead.

That's not what he's arguing. He's arguing that not releasing a game shouldn't diminish the series standing.
Jaded Alyx
(03-20-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

did you see the (simulation) bracket I put there for a reason.

But the headline writer clearly didn't mean simulation because they wouldn't have compared it to NEED FOR SPEED...
gundamkyoukai
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(03-20-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by blakep267

Then I guess half life is one of the biggest shooters out there am I right?

It only been 3 years since GT6 and it also has beta going on .
Half life 2 came out 13 years ago .
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Dark Cloud
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(03-20-2017, 05:57 PM)

Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

So forza isn't a game for kids? Video games aren't games for kids? Grow up man
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(03-20-2017, 05:59 PM)
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I've definitely become a Forza focused gamer this gen, I've bought 5, 6, Horizon 2, and Horizon 3 and they've all been fantastic. I'm really looking forward to whatever they end up launching alongside Scorpio which I will assume is Motorsport 7.
Bits N Pieces
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(03-20-2017, 05:59 PM)
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Haha, this thread should be a scream.

Look forward to catching up on all of it later tonight - I wonder how many posts scream Gran Turismo :)
LordOcidax
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(03-20-2017, 05:59 PM)

Originally Posted by ghibli99

How so? I switched to PC exclusively after a few patches and it's been excellent, beautiful 60fps goodness.

Nop, at least for me and a lot of people in the performance thread... Still a mess.
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(03-20-2017, 05:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

the point doesn't still stand.

either mario kart is the best selling racing ip, in which case it is also the biggest racing ip of this gen, or mario kart doesn't count, gt is the biggest racing ip ever and then forza is the biggest racing ip of this gen.

which is absolutely basis for this title, because forza has actually released in this gen.

okay, so -

Read back the title that I have conveniently captured from the site to you. If you want to say Mario Kart is the biggest racing IP? Sure! I'd accept that.

But I'm just pointing our Forza is neither the biggest racing IP, or even when it comes to simulation based racing games, which means the headline is wrong.

Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

But the headline writer clearly didn't mean simulation because they wouldn't have compared it to NEED FOR SPEED...

Then if you want to add arcade racers to the mix, it's Mario Kart.
Chris1
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(03-20-2017, 06:00 PM)
According to wiki (I know,but they have sources for it all ), NFS is at 150M, Mario Kart is at 110M

If people are gonna argue franchises, NFS is still the biggest racing game
Garrett Hawke
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(03-20-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

Read back the title that I have conveniently captured from the site to you. If you want to say Mario Kart is the biggest racing IP? Sure! I'd accept that.

But I'm just pointing our Forza is neither the biggest racing IP, or even when it comes to simulation based racing games, which means the headline is wrong.

then the headline is wrong, but not because of GT, which people have constantly brought up in this thread.
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(03-20-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

Mutagenic
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(03-20-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Nuance is a real thing and should be used when discussing certain topics.

You legitimately believe what you write. Crazy.
mreddie
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(03-20-2017, 06:01 PM)
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EA has botched up the series recently, Rivals was Hot Pursuit 3 with light customization but then people wanted Underground so came NFS 2015 but always online was latched on to that which didn't help.

Plus the taking a year off thing kinda doesn't help when Forza jumps back and forth between Horizon and main Forza.
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(03-20-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrimsonGun

Mariokart is not sim or even semi realistic. It's a racing game for kids. So of course the writer is not going to include it in the discussion. Why are people being disingenuous about this?

I mean, Forza is rated e so… no reason why the kids cant crack on all the assists and rewind and play it!
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(03-20-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

None of this matters because Mario Kart exists.



They should because it's...a racing game.

They mention it in the article though; as well as GT, NFS, Assetto, DIRT, Project CARS and Micromachines.

It's a shame people can't get past a title though.
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(03-20-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chris1

According to wiki (I know,but they have sources for it all ), NFS is at 150M, Mario Kart is at 110M

If people are gonna argue franchises, NFS is still the biggest racing game

Wow, I had no idea.

Makes me wonder if I should play one.
ElBoxyBrown
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(03-20-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jaded Alyx

Need For Speed is not in any way a sim racer.

Also, relevancy? What do you mean?

Originally Posted by gundamkyoukai

NFS is not a sim racing game .
Either way just because a IP has not come out this gen does not making another one bigger than it .

regardless, it's saying it's bigger than NFS.
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(03-20-2017, 06:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by wapplew

I thought Mario kart is the biggest racing IP.

Originally Posted by ianpm31

That title is wrong on many levels. Gran Turismo is the world's biggest racing ip by far ..

Originally Posted by Pif

Mario kart is bigger than GT that is bigger than Forza.

Or did I miss something?

Need for Speed is bigger than GT or Mario Kart with 150m+ unit sales
The title clearly states how Forza become bigger. bigger in terms of currently outselling any other racing franchise. presumably this generation. that's a statement even Microsoft themself made. They do not talk about sold more units ever. Mario Kart, GT and NFS all have a huge head start

Originally Posted by FlutterPuffs

Really? Here's the title:



Gran Turismo series has sold 76 million combined.

Now if it said that Forza is the biggest racing (simulation) IP this gen, they are right. You are the one doing the scoffing.

that is exactly what they said. at least meant
you guys just have to read it, correctly



same like saying Uncharted became a bigger IP than Halo, because the last games sold more
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(03-20-2017, 06:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by mreddie

EA has botched up the series recently, Rivals was Hot Pursuit 3 with light customization but then people wanted Underground so came NFS 2015 but always online was latched on to that which didn't help.

Plus the taking a year off thing kinda doesn't help when Forza jumps back and forth between Horizon and main Forza.

I think having forza come out the way it does was a great idea for the series, though. the two branches are different enough that it avoids the fatigue of normal yearly releases like assassin's creed etc

It is crazy what happened to NFS though.
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Forza is the #1 racing IP in the same way that whatever blockbuster released this week is the #1 movie in America.

You rate them based on how they're selling now, not how well they sold across history.
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(03-20-2017, 06:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by ElBoxyBrown

That's not hard to be the biggest racing IP. NFS hasn't been great since Rivals.

I was going to say. Forza didn't overtake shit. NFS has been garbage for a long time now. Dissolving Criterion was a big mistake on EA's part.
Jumeira
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(03-20-2017, 06:03 PM)
Greatest racing game of all time, i couldnt be happier for Playground games and Turn 10. What a uplifting, refreshing story of success, i can only imagine how Forza Horizon 4 will look like on Scorpio.

As a massive fan of PGR & Rallisport (best rally game ever) FH3 is the game that satisfies that itch these games left behind.
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(03-20-2017, 06:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

then the headline is wrong, but not because of GT, which people have constantly brought up in this thread.

Yeah, I agree on that. Both Forza series has been great but that headline is just so plain wrong.
Leyasu
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(03-20-2017, 06:04 PM)
First post should have been the Jurassic park glass of water gif.
TylerDurden4321
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Originally Posted by Sydle

Wow, I had no idea.

Makes me wonder if I should play one.

No, I love racing games and all kinds of racing games and... no. The few good ones feel too dated by now, unless you want to play it more from an educative gaming history perspective.

Wait for the next one, I think they are learning and have a good foundation in some aspects from the last game.
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Originally Posted by hanspampel

Need for Speed is bigger than GT or Mario Kart with 150m+ unit sales
The title clearly states how Forza become bigger. bigger in terms of currently outselling any other racing franchise. presumably this generation. that's a statement even Microsoft themself made. They do not talk about sold more units ever. Mario Kart, GT and NFS all have a huge head start



that is exactly what they said. at least meant
you guys just have to read it, correctly

I don't think any racing game this gen has sold more than MK8. Maybe they mean all Forza's this gen combined?
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(03-20-2017, 06:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by hanspampel



that is exactly what they said. at least meant
you guys just have to read it, correctly

If it is written current biggest racing IP, sure.

But it isn't.
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(03-20-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden4321

No, I love racing games and all kinds of racing games and... no. The few good ones feel too dated by now, unless you want to play it more from an educative gaming history perspective.

Wait for the next one, I think they are learning and have a good foundation in some aspects from the last game.

Thanks. I can wait for the next one. : )

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