KillerMan91
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European countries have massive immigration to fix that to an extend. Japan doesn't.
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Japan 2014 Console/Handheld Market: Lowest in 24 Years + Top Games
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European countries have massive immigration to fix that to an extend. Japan doesn't.
But Japanese users don't.
Razzorn34
Member
No kidding. Almost all of my top games are Japanese made. If consoles start to be completely Western oriented, I'm sure I'd have to find another hobby.
Let's be very optimistic and say PS4 sales double next year.
With the likely declines in everything else, that's still not really going to help.
I would argue anime has been on the decline for a long time now.
ChiefofCitadelSecurity
Member
Starting to have some doubts about even that particularly post release.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
In terms of mainstream popularity, probably. A huge portion of the industry is just banked on exploiting a niche, hardcore otaku crowd. There's more hope for the future of anime than console gaming though.
Console/handheld online sales have been increasing, yes. I didn't include in the chart because there are no 2014 numbers yet.
But they're not enough to change the overall picture:
year / online / physical + online
2002 ¥5 / ¥475
2003 ¥6 / ¥437
2004 ¥7 / ¥435
2005 ¥7 / ¥462
2006 ¥9 / ¥634
2007 ¥15 / ¥703
2008 ¥17 / ¥600
2009 ¥20 / ¥563
2010 ¥22 / ¥515
2011 ¥29 / ¥483
2012 ¥34 / ¥483
2013 ¥38 / ¥447
billion yen.
2014 online sales are probably higher than 2013. But they need to be ¥78 billion to match the same ¥447 billion total of 2013, which I find unlikely.
By online I mean online transactions (downloads, subscription, microtransactions etc.)
Mass_Pincup
Banned
That's exactly what I said.
Monster Hunter.
It's really interesting watching the Japanese market drift away from the rest of the world. It's probably going to be the most interesting thing to watch over the next few years. I wonder what effect (if any) VR will have.
This sounds as sensible as 'who cares if the Japanese market crashes? Pokemon fans and people that like games about little girls?'.
arnoldocastillo2003
Member
Damn what surprises me more is the fact that Yokai Watch sold more than Pokemon WOW!
I talked with my coworkers about that and for 90% of them the main problem is the lack of games. Their attitude boils down to "I guess I'll buy it if interesting games come out".
On the other hand, those interested in Western games like Ubisoft titles, shooters etc. all own PS4s.
It reminds me the situation with the Vita when I started working here. I was really surprised that so few people owned it despite most of them liking games, but in the end the lack of titles worth getting the console for was to little. Now quite a few people own Vitas, but 3DS and smartphones rule when it comes to spending lunch breaks.
Edit:
I just remembered - Wii U has the same problem as the PS4. People who aren't super excited about Mario Kart/Smash/Mario World said that they have 0 reasons to buy the console. Same as in the West, I guess.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yeah but those FF games don't have this:
Anyway, every system bar PS4 is probably going to decline in 2015.
Software is a bit more interesting. Is YW going to pull another 6 million......no. Smash was also a big seller this year. Whose going to pick up the slack? We do have stuff like MGSV and DQH but thats not nearly enough....is there going to be another Pokemon/MH even though we had one last year. Welp I think software may be down as well.
Crash? Japanese devs can use their considerable talent to create DLC for Far Cry 5, Destiny 2, and Final Fantasy 16: The One More Like Skyrim.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Really? I would have thought XIII sold like gangbusters.
XIII sold less than XII.
GhostTrick
Banned
3DS is doing good. Everything else is doing terribly.
As long as they leave enough talent for the bi-monthly Yokai Watch installment, I doubt Japanese gamers will notice any difference.
I'll be honest, I've lost what it is that we're actually doing here.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
PC isn't a big deal in Japan either. It's all about Japanese gamers not sitting around their tiny homes, but getting together and socializing/playing on the outside.
arnoldocastillo2003
Member
Why you say this, because of the low birthrate the country has or because Evangelion will come true?
Final Fantasy VII: 3,277,776
Final Fantasy VIII: 3,501,588
Final Fantasy IX: 2,707,301
Final Fantasy X: 2,325,215
Final Fantasy XII: 2,322,541
Final Fantasy XIII: 1,905,979
Throwing in some mainline direct sequels:
Final Fantasy X-2: 1,960,937
Final Fantasy XIII-2: 906,394
Lightning Returns: 419,532
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
Geeze... XIII had a real chilling effect, at least judging by the sequel sales...
To be fair, the game that beat it was out for 5 months compared to ORAS's 1 month...
arnoldocastillo2003
Member
Wow, I never knew X-2 outsold the mainline title of XIII there. I wonder if that speaks more to the massive phenomenon it was closer to its height or more towards its decline now.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Well having some games that actually appeal to a Japnese market should help. Disgaea, Bloodborne, FF Type-0, supposedly FFXV (lol), Persona 5, DQ: Heroes, Ys, God Eater 2 Burst and MGSV all should help.
arnoldocastillo2003
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
01/20 Japan BioHazard HD Remaster
01/22 Japan Far Cry 4
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
01/29 Japan Bladestorm: Hyakunen Sensou & Nightmare
01/30 Japan Dying Light
02/05 Japan Dragon Ball: Xenoverse
02/11 Japan Sengoku Musou 4-II
02/12 Japan Lords of the Fallen
02/19 Japan Dead or Alive 5: Last Round
God Eater 2: Rage Burst
Terraria
02/20 Japan The Order: 1886
02/26 Japan Dragon Quest Heroes: Anryuu to Sekaiju no Shiro
03/05 Japan Evolve
03/12 Japan BioHazard: Revelations 2
Ryu ga Gotoku Zero: Chikai no Basho
03/19 Japan Battlefield Hardline
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD
03/26 Japan Bloodborne (First Print Limited Edition)
Kagero: Mou 1-nin no Princess
Makai Senki Disgaea 5
One Piece: Kaizoku Musou 3
Sengoku Hime 5: Senkatatsu Haoh no Keifu
Senran Kagura: Estival Versus - Shoujotachi no Sentaku
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PS4 exclusives like Bloodborne,
MakeMeFeelAlive
Member
I only said its not surprising, not that it will be solved in a year.
But, honestly, i think ps4 sales will more than double in Japan during the period of time mgs5 and ff15 are respectively released from whatever sales figure they were immediately prior to mgs5.
Also, wii u struggling and the even more atrocious sales numbers of the one compared to the 360 will continue hurting those numbers. The ps4 can triple in sales and home console adoption rates in japan will still be lower than before.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Dragon Quest Heroes is also on PS3.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Xenoblade? Possibly Zelda? SMTxFE is supposedly going to have some movement in 2015, but I doubt it.
That is not exactly true because we will never know how many people would have bought something else if Youkai Watch had not existed. Certainly numbers would be far worse without Youkai Watch, but we can't say how big would have been the contraction if the series hadn't been created.
Thanks, I've always thought it was a PS4 exclusive until now for some reason.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
When you have a commuter country with amazing mass transit, and a work/school schedule that keeps people away from home, collapsing console sales was inevitable. What really has come out of left field is the adoption of smartphones and tablets as a main gaming machine in lieu of a portable console.
The 3DS and PS Vita has collapsed, in comparison to its predecessors, and the future Nintendo portable will have an even harder time. Sony wont likely have a future portable console and will probably ride the PS Vita wave into the sunset, with no successor.
iOS and Android to a lesser extent is the future of Japanese gaming.
The 3DS and PS Vita has collapsed, in comparison to its predecessors, and the future Nintendo portable will have an even harder time. Sony wont likely have a future portable console and will probably ride the PS Vita wave into the sunset, with no successor.
iOS and Android to a lesser extent is the future of Japanese gaming.
ChiefofCitadelSecurity
Member
Japanese style games on consoles is what people are worried about losing.
Me personally if they go mobile they go mobile. They're going to do what they think is best for them. That type of shit you gotta come to terms with early especially with Japan and the games they make.