pieatorium
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just woke up, saw a few of whats coming and it looks good, didn't see any mention of release dates or windows did i miss that part?
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Edge: "Nintendo Direct - promises, promises"
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3DS still made some decent numbers, especially after the price cut. WiiU still seems beyond redemption for me, its really weak CPU makes it difficult to port PS360 games which seems so counterintuitive. Hopefully those who bought WiiU will get a decent selection of games eventually.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Who Doesn't...clicks are like chicks..the more the better.
i have bought ps3... where is last guardian?
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Buy a PS4.
Edge said:
I'm surprised Edge doesn't realize they're talking about the fanbase that's been fed the same Nintendo IPs over and over again with minimal to non-existant gameplay changes and they still salivate for them everytime they're announced and take the web to declare them the "bastion of gaming." Of course, this group of people will still be interested.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Metroid In A Glass Tube
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Nintendo, SIGH i'm in love again!
Metroid Other M does nothing but demonstrate how depressingly god awful things have to get before Nintendo fans actually admit something Nintendo puts out isn't the pinnacle of gaming.
He's clearly referencing Space World 2000 (or was it 2001?) when Nintendo did demonstrate their road map for GCN. I would also reference E3 2006 when they went balls deep with Wii. Or the crazy 3DS E3 where they showed a ton of stuff. This is not new to Nintendo, but rare.
He's also stating "since when have they not shown their future road map?" He's right... they have for almost every console I can remember. It's just later now than it has been.
He then says "the hell?" Which would mean "what the hell are you thinking?"
Then he states in clear english, "Are we attacking everything now?" This references your clear inane desire to critique this conference for anything you find as a demonstration of Nintendo's 'weakness', when there is no REAL proof of this.
You didn't have to be rude.
You are right. Corrected my post before you tried to be helpful, but you are right. And while we are at it, what are you trying to say? Not really getting your point to be honest.
so much for... they have not taken my money.
no other m was a good game. the story was bad though... and it was wayy short.
After my Ps3 Ylo'ed in a little more than a year, I might wait this time.
They obviously wanted to find a way to innovate rather than compete so closely to Sony and Microsoft and according to them they had been working on the controller before the tablet boom so in that aspect things just didn't work out too well.
After what Sony pulled with the PS3 I'm going to take anything they say at E3 with a grain of salt.
Baconsammy
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Really? Show me where I misused it.
When was I rude? You're looking for fights where there aren't any.
what? >_>
FlashbladeGAF
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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Lol QFT
I'm not sure how everyone expects sony and ms 5 months from now to come out and show off next gen games that will make it out by the end of the year. When what they will end up with is a bunch of games(mountain compared to wii u) that will also be found on pc and last gen machines with promises just like this for future games. I think people have focused too much on specs and not the reality of what they will be playing day one or even day 90.
Microsoft and Sony haven't told anyone anything, so that's a pretty specious argument.
Exactly. I think Nintendo's post launch output is pretty dreadful, but I think people are setting themselves up for massive disappointment if they are expecting super HD masterpieces month after month after PS4/720 releases.
Definitely not looking to fight, that would be silly.
I just didn't find his post to be difficult to read (before he edited it), and so your post sounded incredibly rude... like you didn't want to be bothered to even try and read his post because he switched around a word. I'm sorry for my misinterpretation of events.
Care to respond to him now, though? He has a good point.
Chris Kohler, aka Kobun Heat, had this headline for Wired: Facing Wii U Software Slump, Nintendo Fires All Its Vaporware Cannons.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/01/wii-u-analysis-2/
I love Kohler.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/01/wii-u-analysis-2/
I love Kohler.
anotherVegan
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This exactly. Nintendo's haters are growing in number. Nintendo, on the other hand, will continue to please its fans.
in Nintendo's defense they let Team Ninja handle it instead of leaving it to Retro
Nearly every terrible decision in Other M was on Nintendo's end.
Baconsammy
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No, I actually wanted him to say exactly what he thought so I could respond. Otherwise I'd be responding to something I could only guess that the meaning of. My response is I disagree with the assertion that Nintendo always lays out the future of their consoles like this. They don't. This is a knee-jerk reaction to a bad launch, bad press, and fan backlash.
Darkangel
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You seriously weren't surprised by Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem?
Captain Smoker
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Nintendo doesn't show games: "Where the fuck are the games, let us see them!"
Nintendo shows games: "Why do you show us games which don't get released soon?"
What?
Nintendo shows games: "Why do you show us games which don't get released soon?"
What?
TwEE-N-Toast
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Woo, you are a mighty console warrior. You should save it until the real fight this fall though.
You don't believe 3DS and Wii U development was somewhat concurrent? That the fucked up 3DS launch ended up needing more resources than expected to fix, which takes focus from getting the Wii U where it needed to for its launch?
I think its clear that the system was rushed and probably needed another 6 months to bake. The only thing they thought they could get away with, was letting the platform sell on a samey Mario game, a party game and a shitload of old third party core software that too, mostly needed more time.
The company isn't big enough, or talented enough to fix the 3DS situation on a hardware and software standpoint WHILE also giving their first HD capable platform, a competent launch.
Yes its my fault. That not just lack of early 1st party but also non existence 3rd party. Yes, its my fault as a consumer.
But dont worry, I will NEVER EVER say anything about being disappointing. Because its my fault.
I must have missed seeing the Smash, Mario Kart and Zelda games.
There is difference between showing game and only talking about promises.
Article is a bit sensationalist but the underlying intent is correct. Nintendo gave us a console, its for sale and its buyers/potential buyers don't have a clue what is on the horizon if there was even anything on the horizon worth looking forward to, especially in the near future. The new nintendo direct did alleviate some of that concern for the far future but they are just promises, promises without even a hint when they will be fulfilled. We don't know when most these games are coming out and Nintendo has been notorious in the past to not ship a game till its 'ready' which in the case of Zelda and even some other core titles could be years after they are announced. Most thought Pikmin was a 'launch window' game and look how long its been delayed. They may do well in fulfilling the eventual promise but this conference didn't alleviate the primary concern, what the hell are we getting in the NEAR future, this year etc. I suppose E3 is another shot to do that but Nintendo's E3 offerings have been... truly horrendous/disappointing in most recent times, I truly hope that is remedied this year.
Technically Sony/MS haven't promised anything because they had been trying their hardest for months/years to downplay the next-generation of their machines was even coming in the near future so it wouldn't cannibalize their current generation hardware/software sells. Furthermore unlike Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't have to worry as much about how ready their 1st party studios are at launch and beyond because there will likely be a pretty high quality multiplatform games announced and launched within a year with the systems if they are as close in power as it appears to be. Basically the seemingly lack of proper third party support for the Wii U and the underlying lack of visible defining games coming out through Nintendo first party in the near future, that is what should be a concern and although I was happy with what I saw at Nintendo Direct, it did not even remotely alleviate this concern.
Technically Sony/MS haven't promised anything because they had been trying their hardest for months/years to downplay the next-generation of their machines was even coming in the near future so it wouldn't cannibalize their current generation hardware/software sells. Furthermore unlike Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't have to worry as much about how ready their 1st party studios are at launch and beyond because there will likely be a pretty high quality multiplatform games announced and launched within a year with the systems if they are as close in power as it appears to be. Basically the seemingly lack of proper third party support for the Wii U and the underlying lack of visible defining games coming out through Nintendo first party in the near future, that is what should be a concern and although I was happy with what I saw at Nintendo Direct, it did not even remotely alleviate this concern.
I don't see how those consoles are going to affect exclusives. Most people didn't buy their Wii U to play multiplat games.
Get out of here with this shit. Pleasing their "fans" is the last thing they want. They want the casuals and the money they bring. Nobody is hating on Nintendo but you can be damned sure people will call them out for fucking up.
didnt they show or at least mention game and wario and wii fit u?
Baconsammy
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It's more than their own development. Third party relations clearly are something they're continuing to fail abysmally at. If they were competent in that regard, their own failings at launch would be less apparent.
Is there no end to this kind of garbage?
Visualante2
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Wasn't that kind of a mission statement though? We're going to have Batman, and Call of Duty and Need for Speed. All the games will be on Nintendo.
3rd party is something everyone should still be genuinely concerned about. I loved everything that was shown. It was comforting and surprising in all the right ways. But meaningful 3rd-party support still isn't being announced. Every 360/PS3 title announced in 2013 should also include Wii U as a platform, and it should (no brainer) release day and date with those titles, with the Wii U version having platform specific enhancements.
Beyond that, 3rd parties should be announcing exclusive titles for the Wii U that aren't party or fitness games. If Nintendo doesn't wok to foster these kinds of 3rd party relations, I fear this gen might be even worse than Wii in terms of 3rd party, and they really couldn't afford to repeat that mistake.
Right, that's obvious.
My point was that the botched Wii U launch had less to do (if it all) with any arrogance they may have gained coming from the Wii; which had been dead for over two years as far as mindshare is concerned, and more to do with incompetence.
They probably felt they couldn't afford to go another year or half, with no console platform to keep their audience invested in the brand. The Wii U was launched, quality be damned.
Their third party relationship just meant we weren't going to get much promised passed these launch ports
Hardly, there's a reason Metroid remains my favorite Nintendo franchise and that's because it's one of the few that's gone through positive gameplay changes as it has aged. Mainline Mario games are the other, everything else, meh . . . particularly Zelda.
I was right when I guessed that the inexperience with HD assets had taken it's toll for Nintendo, Iwata kinda admitted this, I'm sure they expected to have Pikmin 3, Game & Wario Wii Fit U and maybe one more title ready by now, it's apparent that most, if not all, of their projects have had their dates stretched already, but it's nothing worry about imo, Nintendo always take their time but they never have problems finishing their projects so it's all about being patient, it's not as if I won't have games to play in the meantime, and I doubt many of you are in the exact same place.
It's probably a mix, but I refuse to give ground to the argument that Nintendo has never shown a road map before. Their last two console launches each demonstrated games that would not come out more than a year after release:
GCN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qUavULj4Bo
Wii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hx07coihqA
Gamecube Space World 2000 - Not only did Nintendo demonstrate Metroid Prime, a title that would not see finalization until 2002, but they also showed a tech demo that was supposedly representative of their next Zelda game (a zelda game that was completely transformed and released in December 2002). They also showed Mario 128, and we know how that turned out (Mario Galaxy).
Nintendo E3 2006 - Nintendo demonstrated Wii Music as their first game. Wii..... Music. They also showed off Mario Galaxy, which was a year and a half away, and Metroid Prime 3, which was delayed a full year.
I would also like to site that we knew about Skyward Sword about 3-4 years before release as well as a concept.
Nintendo treated the Wii U launch differently, demonstrating only titles that would be out within the launch window (through March as they stated). They obviously felt the need to push back their software to Spring and Summer for what I assume to be because they didn't meet "Nintendo" quality (like Iwata said). They are now going about showing their road map. It could be reactionary, or they could have planned this event way before. We don't know, not even you.
I don't get how this is different to any new console launch, ever.
WB101 looks awesome also.
Because the gap is usually filled with 3rd party support. Which WiiU doesnt have. That is a big sign.
No question 1st party will be and is awesome. But if the 3rd party doesn't come in then you will continue to see these drought.
TwEE-N-Toast
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You suggesting loosing their core customers is the better plan? Or am I missing something?
Yes, that does look good. Definitely on my radar.