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InfoScout "PlayStation Takes the Shelf, Xbox Wins the Browser"
- Thread starter ethomaz
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Hmm possibly am think of deals before BF but least in the UK I saw a few offers on the OG as they dumped stock. Not that I'd expect it to be significant but would have thought it would appear.
The PS4 Pro was on sale for $340...
I don't necessarily think it's that hard to promote the Scorpio. "Most Powerful Console Ever!", "Native 4K on major games!", then showcase the big differences in the games. With more VRAM and possibly a Zen CPU, that thing will easily outclass the PS4 Pro. It's much harder for Sony to sell "kind of 4K ish and native 4K on smaller games!".
Plus by next year the 4K market will be much bigger.
RedAssedApe
Banned
yeah. most pro sales were likely front loaded with launch pre-orders. although it seemed like a decent number of people bought pros the sunday before and the sunday after due to the Target deals.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Not on Black Friday it wasn't.
Yeah, I'm not understanding the surprise here. The pro just came out and I don't recall seeing any ads advertising it as being on sale.
I doubt MS is happy to see a more powerful and more expensive PS4 not going well (even if it was black Friday and the focus was on the slim). Since MS is doing the same thing but with more focus on power and therefore even higher price.
I think you're in for a rude awakening.
During cyber monday not BF.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I kinda wonder who the pro sells to. I imagine most enthusiasts are early adopters. Wouldn't everyone else just pick up the slim?
Most places had Slims with three games for $249 while Pro was $399 without a game. BF is deal shoppers only.
Not on Black Friday, which is why people saying the Pro bombed confuse me.
We'll know more if/when we get some hard numbers. But this graph is meaningless for the Pro and without knowing retail vs online numbers it's pretty meaningless to compare.
I mean, I'm still convinced the the Scorpio is a new generation of hardware rather than the incremental upgrade the Pro was based on what we know so far with its specs.
On top of that, its not like Microsoft hasn't had a 4 year generation before.
Why in Gods name are people acting shocked the Pro didn't light up the sales charts on Black Friday? The thing was $400 compared to a $250 dollar bundle. It had no deals. The only deal it got was the Sunday after Black Friday.
We don't really have any data as to how it's selling in the US. I'm expecting like 350k for it in NA. It seems people are expecting it to sell on par with the Slim at this point. It's not a new console. You'll probably see a bigger push for the Pro later next year. When it drops in price and it bundled with Destiny 2, RDR or Horizon.
At this point Sony has sold over 50 million consoles. They don't care which one you buy. They are making a profit off both boxes
We don't really have any data as to how it's selling in the US. I'm expecting like 350k for it in NA. It seems people are expecting it to sell on par with the Slim at this point. It's not a new console. You'll probably see a bigger push for the Pro later next year. When it drops in price and it bundled with Destiny 2, RDR or Horizon.
At this point Sony has sold over 50 million consoles. They don't care which one you buy. They are making a profit off both boxes
Sangetsu-II
Member
It's kinda funny how people forget what deals there where in less than 2 weeks.
The % difference in GPU between Pro and Scorpio is the same as PS4 to Xbox One and those are clearly the same gen.
But how can they when they've already announced that it will be a part of the Xbox One ecosystem? It can't be the next best thing if it's not allowed to stand on it's own. (Referring to all Scorpio games being mandated to run on OG Xbox Ones)
It's all about the marketing. Microsoft has an entire E3 to hype this thing and showcase exclusives that are built around that hardware (but also work on the regular).
Sony had a late press conference after E3, had to promote VR at the same time, and couldn't sell the power nearly as easily.
It's all about the unity of the message. Sony has to diversify their message across so many different things. MS will come in hot on the Scorpio next year and beat the "most powerful console ever" line into the dirt.
But it also has 4 more gigs of VRAM and possibly a better CPU.
sems4arsenal
Member
Does this mean the PS4 sold more? (Slim+OG>One+S)
The thing is Scorpio has to be priced right, If it's 499 or higher than Scorpio is in trouble.
CosmicQueso
Member
Ignorance. Or using inappropriately to support an argument in favor of their preconceptions.
No, and there wasn't supposed to be. This is a product designed to cater to price insensitive/niche core audience. This is not a BF/promotional SKU. So of course it didn't light up the charts.
If market speaks and don't buy a middle gen PS4 (as you say, it's "the most powerful console ever" right now) Sony will continue selling a ton of PS4.
If market speaks and don't buy a middle gen XBO, Xbox One sales will be in trouble.
Sony has done a pretty terrible job of demonstrating the purpose or value of buying the Pro, particularly for 1080P owners and people who already have a PS4.
It's really no surprise that the retail response to the Pro has been kind of tepid.
Scorpio will have an uphill battle as well, but hopefully more robust upgrades will mean that upgraded games have more pronounced and demonstrable differences.
It's really no surprise that the retail response to the Pro has been kind of tepid.
Scorpio will have an uphill battle as well, but hopefully more robust upgrades will mean that upgraded games have more pronounced and demonstrable differences.
And even then the Slim was available for $212 online for Sunday and Monday. No one is passing that shit up.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Expected better PS4 Pro sales, like in the 15-20% range.
It's not all about marketing, it's all about price. The average consumer is not power sensitive they are price sensitive. It's the same thing every gen (and now also "mid gen"), price is the most important factor not power.
YianGaruga
Banned
On Black Friday? Why?
Sangetsu-II
Member
Wait till Christmas, how would you expect people to buy a $400 Pro vs a $220 PS4 on Black Friday?
Again. We have no data on how the Pro is doing and we certainly shouldn't be using stats from Black Friday to gauge that when the Slime SKU was damn near $150-$200 cheaper.
And again it seems people expected this box to sell millions out the gate. I don't think that was ever the plan. You'll see more of a focus on Pro being pushed to the mainstream once it hits the $350 price tag.
My point is that I'm not sure the mass market realizes the power difference in the PS4 Pro. "Pro" versions of consoles aren't new. Even the Xbox One had the "Elite" model with the controller and a hybrid hard drive.
But you don't see Sony marketing the power of it that extensively. You see an HDR and a checkerboard 4K push, but MS also has the HDR box checked on the Xbox One S. Sony failed to even provide some really good A/B comparisons in their marketing. This thing is twice as powerful as the PS4. Why aren't they hyping that? It's a bigger leap than they're making it out to be.
Just take the E3 hype video that MS released. Over 3M views on Youtube. Playstation's PS4 Pro intro has 1M. It's all about the marketing.
Interfectum
Member
Dat pro %... yikes.
Marketing can be a part of it but Price will determine if both the Pro and Scorpio is a success and so far Microsoft is screaming how it will be a premium console, so that leads some of us to believe that it will be really expensive.
The "Elite" is totally different and was mainly marketed that way because of the controller. The Pro is actually an upgrade over the PS4 compared to the Elite with the Xbox One. It's not comparable at all.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Saw this Pro data coming a mile away.
Definitely agree there, but so far I've just been really perplexed as to how Sony has marketed the Pro. Definitely needed a better reveal and more unified message.
As for the Elite, that's exactly my point. It shouldn't be comparable, but I'm not sure the average consumer realizes that.
Some of the math there doesn't add up.
RedAssedApe
Banned
no the sky is falling
ForkNetwork
Banned
Could this considered a tie? Isnt the physical market bigger than the digital one?
I don't think they do, The Pro is doing a good job with the message they have had.
Pro numbers aren't surprising since it's Black Friday only and all the deals were PS4 & XB1 S.
I feel like you have it mostly correct. That's their intended audiences.
I feel like you have it mostly correct. That's their intended audiences.