Yea wonder what happened there, and where's the ground textures!
What the fuck?
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Silent Hill HD Collection |OT| Programmed in Smoke Signals
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What the fuck?
SolidSnakex
Member
How did this happen?
RadioHeadAche
Member
Is this a dream? It's got to be....
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Broder Salsa
Banned
Well they did promise to update the textures some places!
Just like :
They also added new textures as they promised.
RadioHeadAche
Member
I want to believe that this is just an older version, and that Konami delayed it to fix those problems.
However, based on all the official screenshots and videos thisseems is unlikely.
However, based on all the official screenshots and videos this
If I had a PS2 I would have played it a LONG time ago. As it were, I never had one, and I'm not about to buy one now.
I have contrast settings on my TV so that won't keep me from these versions. Also, never having played the PS2 games I won't be able to tell any differences.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Ah. No dice for PC emulation either? If it's your first time playing SH 2 and 3, the HD Collection will be sufficient, but ideally you should be playing the best versions of those two games.
Audioboxer
Member
Yea wonder what happened there, and where's the ground textures!
Konami and Capcom (I know unrelated, but when I whine about Konami, I like to add in Capcom as well), worst devs this generation.
RadioHeadAche
Member
Why tarnish that which I love so much, Konami?
Yea wonder what happened there, and where's the ground textures!
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Holy shit they [I]wrecked[/I] Silent Hill 3 my god...
Well they did promise to update the textures some places!
Just like :
There were textures there, they're gone now.
TheVampire
Banned
Yea wonder what happened there, and where's the ground textures!
The horror......
SolidSnakex
Member
It just doesn't make sense. Fog is probably the first thing that you think of when someone mentions SH's graphics. It defines the series. You don't screw.
Even SH3's crazy color schemes and lighting effects seem to have taken a massive hit with the HD version
Nah. It's obviously a shame if these versions are inferior, but if the inferiority is limited to saturation, contrast and a bit of missing fog somewhere, I can deal.
RadioHeadAche
Member
toddhunter
Member
I'm starting to question if I did play the original PS2 versions. There was always something a bit iffy about how good they looked, especially compared to the subsequent games in the series.
Could it be the PS2 versions were really the remakes of the HD collection? If so, how did this come about? WHAT IS GOING ON!
Could it be the PS2 versions were really the remakes of the HD collection? If so, how did this come about? WHAT IS GOING ON!
TheVampire
Banned
The HD colour and contrast is prettty bad.
Its like we will have to crank the settings up on our own hdtv's
Its like we will have to crank the settings up on our own hdtv's
I'm sorry man, but I don't think anyone here can recommend a Silent Hill game with bad lighting/fog effects. Those two elements define the series and really go along way to set the mood in the games.
plagiarize
Banned
as, likely, can i, but it still all goes to show that Konami don't give a shit about the originals and are just trying to milk the Silent Hill cow for whatever money the poor thing has left.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Silent hill is all about atmosphere, they have kind of trashed the look and feel of it here. I hope you enjoy them but... I really wish people wouldn't be introduced to such fantastic games in such a shit package, what you are mentioning is really important to the games.
Risk Breaker
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But it isn't. It looks like it's missing a lot of lighting and fog effects, if not all of them, it's missing the original cast, it's missing textures... really, the best you can do is play them on PC or PS2+CRT.
mescalineeyes
Banned
Oh my god. I am staying as far away from these as possible.
This would've been a day 1 purchase for me as Silent Hill 2 is my favorite game of all time.
This would've been a day 1 purchase for me as Silent Hill 2 is my favorite game of all time.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
The PC version of SH2 had some missing effects IIRC, and the controls were clunky as all fuck since vanilla SH2 PC didn't even support mouse (although I think there might be an unofficial patch for that). SH3 PC was overall good though, and looks absolutely insane when you crank up all effects and resolution to max. My gaming PC (quad-core Phenom II X4, 8 GB DDR2 RAM and Radeon HD 5770) struggled to run SH3 with all bells and whistles on. That said, I think the PS2 version of SH3 was also considered the best version.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
What horrible looking ports -__-
They "cleaned" it up lol
And I was unhappy because sun&moon are missing in Jak & Daxter, lol.
I don't want to know what they did to oldman.gif
And anyone still buying consider this: your behaviour is telling them - removing textures, fog, voice actors, etc. is fine with us. Please do it again.
Looks like Silent Hill 2 atleast has the original cast, which is the main game I'm interested in anyway.
I'll just have to put on some dirty glasses and crank my tv's contrast and saturation to 100 to make up for it's other shortcomings ;-)
Risk Breaker
Member
Yes, indeed, the PC ports weren't perfect even if they bumped up the texture resolution. As you say, SH3 even has some performance issues with certain configurations, and the framerate on cutscenes does weird things. But at the end of the day both look fantastic on PC (I played them first on PS2 and then on PC), the missing things aren't too noticeable at first sight and they are playable without much hassle. Controls are rough but I don't think that will change in the HD Collection
I'm not saying that you pringles absolutely shouldn't play them like this, just that... well it won't be the same. If you can ever give them a try on PC after you play the HD Collection, please do so. I think there's even a PC demo for SH3.
Audίoboxer;35736088 said:
Whoa there. Capcom at least upgraded graphics in RECV, not downgraded it.
I like how in the original SH3 (PS2 and PC version) everything that isn't lighten up by flashlight is literally black, you can't see shit.
Here, it's just slightly darker. Way to ruin atmosphere
Combichristoffersen
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toddhunter
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plagiarize
Banned
yeah. it's the colours that bother me the most. in those Lakeside comparison shots, it's not just that they replaced the texture on the ground, it's that they replaced it with unrusted metal. they've totally fumbled the mood of that scene. how can Konami not realise how important the colour palettes of SH2 and SH3 are?
they signify the shifts to the dark world, but they also tell us about the dark world. SH3 having a rust coloured dark world, told us that the cult were back trying to raise their god once more. SH2's green moldy dark world told us that it was about decay of flesh.
these aren't just about mood or tone, the appearance of the dark world is an important part of the story.
edit: changed Lakeside to Riverside. Riverside used to be the name of my local themepark.
they signify the shifts to the dark world, but they also tell us about the dark world. SH3 having a rust coloured dark world, told us that the cult were back trying to raise their god once more. SH2's green moldy dark world told us that it was about decay of flesh.
these aren't just about mood or tone, the appearance of the dark world is an important part of the story.
edit: changed Lakeside to Riverside. Riverside used to be the name of my local themepark.
fabricated backlash
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well that's that. The HD versions look cleaner, but lose everything in the process. No contrast, no colour matching, no filters, nothing. They look amateurish, sterile, and like one of those ghastly High Res texture mods for emulators... which essentially it seems to be anyway.
I also just remembered how fugly SH2s outdoor environments were.
Guess that's that then, rather play both games on a PS2 emulator than these turds here.
Typographenia
Member
Boat ride is only difficult because the controls are weird. : P
If you've played it through multiple times in a row, you'll be on top of your game, however. It helps a lot not taking a break between getting endings. (I mean like several days or more)
I know. : )
The majority of that stuff is easy if you just play all the endings consecutively, because you get a very strong grasp of where items and enemies will be. The only difficult part, in my opinion, is the part where you have to kill the enemies outside. There's a guide video I used when I did it that really helped with the best way of handling it.
I'd really like to say the same, but sheesh. I'd tried to be hopeful up to this point, since Konami does a bad enough job in representing their games, but some of that is near unbelievable.
Backfoggen
Banned
Yeah, I'll just play the old versions again thanks.
WOW. Holy fu...wow.
How on gods name is this possible? Their HD collection LOOKS WORSE THAN THE ORIGINALS BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
ULTROS!
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SH2 looks ok but I don't like the stretched cutscenes.
SH3 on the other hand looks more washed out.
SketchTheArtist
Member
Yeah, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt when the first pics came out with the lost alpha effects but this is garbage. Amateurish as you said. The contrast and color matching in the SH3 videos is unforgiving. Who approved that?!
Man how can they charge money for this?! Btw, the video is from GS not IGN fyi
They both look washed out, but SH3 looks like it lost every graphical effect in the game from the noise filter to the fog to the post processing filter. Just totally butchered it...
Broder Salsa
Banned
OK, I think I can see what's going on with that comparison.
1) I do think the PS2 footage color balance is a bit off as the game isn't actually THAT contrasty in person.
2) That said, there is still a pretty clear difference I'm positive that it was made for a very simple reason: a lot of people are using LCD TVs.
Both games, as they appear on PS2, have large portions of the screen filled completely with blackness. With the HD footage (especially obvious with the SH3 footage) you can see that much more of the scene is visible.
The simple reason for this, I believe, is that empty black space looks absolutely atrocious on most LCDs. These games were designed for CRT TVs, which could actually handle those black areas and display them as truly black. Those same areas on an LCD, however, simply reveal the shining gray backlight pushing through. Rather than darkness, you see the backlight. I believe they were compensating for this by display details that were originally obscured by darkness in the original release.
It is for this reason that I always believed this collection to be a fools errand. Most modern TVs simply can't handle Silent Hill the way it was meant to be experienced.
You can clearly see what I'm talking about here. Notice how much darker the PS2 footage is? Most of the image is bathed in darkness while the HD footage allows you to see the details surrounding you. By revealing the shadow detail you've created a more "LCD friendly" image. Unfortunately, this destroys any accuracy you may have been aiming for.
The fact remains, if you want to play these games properly you need a high quality standard definition CRT and the PS2 versions hooked up to a nice stereo setup.
1) I do think the PS2 footage color balance is a bit off as the game isn't actually THAT contrasty in person.
2) That said, there is still a pretty clear difference I'm positive that it was made for a very simple reason: a lot of people are using LCD TVs.
Both games, as they appear on PS2, have large portions of the screen filled completely with blackness. With the HD footage (especially obvious with the SH3 footage) you can see that much more of the scene is visible.
The simple reason for this, I believe, is that empty black space looks absolutely atrocious on most LCDs. These games were designed for CRT TVs, which could actually handle those black areas and display them as truly black. Those same areas on an LCD, however, simply reveal the shining gray backlight pushing through. Rather than darkness, you see the backlight. I believe they were compensating for this by display details that were originally obscured by darkness in the original release.
It is for this reason that I always believed this collection to be a fools errand. Most modern TVs simply can't handle Silent Hill the way it was meant to be experienced.
You can clearly see what I'm talking about here. Notice how much darker the PS2 footage is? Most of the image is bathed in darkness while the HD footage allows you to see the details surrounding you. By revealing the shadow detail you've created a more "LCD friendly" image. Unfortunately, this destroys any accuracy you may have been aiming for.
The fact remains, if you want to play these games properly you need a high quality standard definition CRT and the PS2 versions hooked up to a nice stereo setup.