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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again

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Zach

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It's impossible to genuinely dislike something these days. You're just a try hard edgy hipster.

Conversely you can't like something either, you're a rube that got conned.

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Chitown B

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Two things, not specifically at you Levito, but to these trains of thought

1) So many times people enter the thread and voice criticism, the old 'well lol Season 2' argument is given. How in any way is this addressing some people's criticisms of what we are watching now

2) Some people invariably would be satisfied with just a rehash of the Cooper mannerisms that hit popular culture, but many actually miss far more about Cooper than that. His optimism, his intelligence and generally well to do, heart on his sleeve personality. It was warm, comforting and pleasurable to watch

Lynch revels in making the audience feel awkward. It's challenging TV. Im totally onboard for the run, but as someone to anchor the whole endeavour, Dougie's simpleton whose form of communication is parroting is an absolute gaping hole in comparison to Cooper.

Without that warm charm of Cooper to serve as a gateway for the audience to latch onto as a descent into the off kilter world Twin Peaks represents, I'm not suprised it's having a fair few in this thread lamenting the missing link on its own merits - it's more than just wanting Cooper to wink at the camera and pull a thumbs up with Gordon or something

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jett

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I think this show reaches new levels of incomprehension with each episode.

At this point I'm just watching it out of sheer curiosity, rather than any investment in characters or plot.
 
He didn't trick her into having sex with him. He just wanted to eat his cake.

Whether he consciously or accidentally tricked her into having sex with him, she didn't consent to have sex with Agent Cooper. She thought she was having sex with her husband. In a weird way they're both being raped and completely unaware of it.

But I think both claims are over thinking it. Cooper isn't disabled in any traditional sense. Can an amnesiac consent to having sex? Legally, I'd guess so. It's hard to know how much is going on in there, and how 'conscious' Cooper really is. Janey-E thinks she's having sex with her husband, who just got a clean bill of health from his Doctor, so she doesn't know that he's somewhat brain dead.

Characters are mistaking Dougie for being more capable than he really is. Thinking he's just struggling to communicate, and seeing answers or confirmations in his repetitions.

I hope Coop keeps a relationship with the Jones family, and I hope they survive whatever ordeals he is about to face. Janey-E is such a fantastic new character.
 
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Deleted member 80556

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I think this show reaches new levels of incomprehension with each episode.

I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but this is Lynch's most followable work, aside from Blue Velvet and The Straight Story perhaps. What is incomprehensible about it? Is it because of the editing?
 
I think this show reaches new levels of incomprehension with each episode.

At this point I'm just watching it out of sheer curiosity, rather than any investment in characters or plot.

How was this last episode hard to follow? The only episode you can say that of is episode 8 and that still makes sense.
 
The letter intercepted by Chad 2 Badd said 'Miriam Hodges' on it - she's credited as "Miriam Sullivan" at the end.

Looks like Chad messed up..
 
The letter intercepted by Chad 2 Badd said 'Miriam Hodges' on it - she's credited as "Miriam Sullivan" at the end.

Looks like Chad messed up..

Oh he messed up alright. Lucy is 100% onto him. Finally getting some clear evidence that she really is still very good at her job, blind spot for cellphones aside.
 
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Deleted member 80556

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The letter intercepted by Chad 2 Badd said 'Miriam Hodges' on it - she's credited as "Miriam Sullivan" at the end.

Looks like Chad messed up..

Oh shit lmao, I only read Miriam and thought he'd gotten away with it.
 
Credits could be wrong though. Remember the Bing / Billy business?

That said, it wouldn't exactly be out of the realm of Twin Peaks possibility for there to be multiple Miriams what with all the Bobs and Franks and whatevers.

Plus that'd be a fun scene where Chad opens the letter before trying to destroy it only to realize it was the wrong one. So I hope that it isn't a goof!
 

If only I had the gif skills to make C2B rise up from behind Lucy's desk.

Credits could be wrong though. Remember the Bing / Billy business?

That said, it wouldn't exactly be out of the realm of Twin Peaks possibility for there to be multiple Miriams what with all the Bobs and Franks and whatevers.

Plus that'd be a fun scene where Chad opens the letter before trying to destroy it only to realize it was the wrong one. So I hope that it isn't a goof!

Wasn't the Bing problem subtitle related, not the end credits? Or am I wrong about that?
 

Obscura

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Richard Horne's demise will be cause for celebration. What a complete shitheap of a person (well, whatever he is. Having an evil interdimensional doppelganger for a dad implies not so human).

Speaking of disgusting characters... I don't get the love for the Dougie rape scene. Taking advantage of a person in a near vegatative state (just because he has a hot new bod) is pretty despicable.

Was their a bald guy in the experiment box that Mr. C was looking at?
 
Richard Horne's demise will be cause for celebration. What a complete shitheap of a person (well, whatever he is. Having an evil interdimensional doppelganger for a dad implies not so human).

Speaking of disgusting characters... I don't get the love for the Dougie rape scene. Taking advantage of a person in a near vegatative state (just because he has a hot new bod) is pretty despicable.

Was their a bald guy in the experiment box that Mr. C was looking at?

She thinks Coop is her actual husband. Don't you dare speak ill of Janey-E.
 

Moff

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best: Knepper and Belushi are a great couple
worst: terrible character assassination of Janey-E, turning her into a rapist. There is no way Dougie can give consent in his state. Lynch probably thinks it's hilarious to let her rape a man. Sick fuck.
 
If only I had the gif skills to make C2B rise up from behind Lucy's desk.



Wasn't the Bing problem subtitle related, not the end credits? Or am I wrong about that?

The guy who fails to show up to meet Andy is credited as Bing in the end credits. So if he's called Billy, the end credits are wrong.

Richard Horne's demise will be cause for celebration. What a complete shitheap of a person (well, whatever he is. Having an evil interdimensional doppelganger for a dad implies not so human).

Speaking of disgusting characters... I don't get the love for the Dougie rape scene. Taking advantage of a person in a near vegatative state (just because he has a hot new bod) is pretty despicable.

Was their a bald guy in the experiment box that Mr. C was looking at?

She doesn't know he's in a near vegetative state. Nothing about how she treats him shows that she thinks that. She thinks he's withdrawn and having trouble communicating, but she hasn't done anything to demonstrate that she's aware of how screwed up we know him to be.

Not sure how people can miss that.

Not to mention that Doctor Ben just gave him a clean bill of health.

She doesn't know he's brain fried. Maybe she should have picked up on it, but she demonstrably hasn't.
 
Speaking of disgusting characters... I don't get the love for the Dougie rape scene. Taking advantage of a person in a near vegatative state (just because he has a hot new bod) is pretty despicable.

There is absolutely no evidence that she "took advantage of Dougie." Literally every single person who knows Dougie is treating him exactly the same. That this is "just how Dougie is" sometimes.

She DID NOT rape Dougie.
 

Slaythe

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best: Knepper and Belushi are a great couple
worst: terrible character assassination of Janey-E, turning her into a rapist. There is no way Dougie can give consent in his state. Lynch probably thinks it's hilarious to let her rape a man. Sick fuck.

I don't know, is it rape if it reawakens something he loved ?

He tasted coffee and loved it, then wanted more.

Did he give off the impression that he wasn't enjoying himself ?

Plus it's not like she took advantage of anything. It's her husband from her point of view. Whether you buy that she doesn't see he's not himself or not is irrelevant, because she doesn't see it, if you think it wasn't handled well enough it's fine, but it certainly doesn't make her vile from seeking intimacy with her husband.
 
I don't know, is it rape if it reawakens something he loved ?

He tasted coffee and loved it, then wanted more.

Did he give off the impression that he wasn't enjoying himself ?

Plus it's not like she took advantage of anything. It's her husband from her point of view. Whether you buy that she doesn't see he's not himself or not is irrelevant, because she doesn't see it, if you think it wasn't handled well enough it's fine, but it certainly doesn't make her vile from seeking intimacy with her husband.

Bingo.

Edit:

Just saw that Amy Shiels was confirmed for the Twin Peaks Fest. Going to meet Candie and audiobook TP! Awesome sauce.
 

jett

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I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but this is Lynch's most followable work, aside from Blue Velvet and The Straight Story perhaps. What is incomprehensible about it? Is it because of the editing?

How was this last episode hard to follow? The only episode you can say that of is episode 8 and that still makes sense.

For the vast majority of the episode I had no idea what was going on or why were things happening. I forgot who Miriam was. What's the deal with the scene with the druggie couple? Laura's face in the door frame? Wasn't it Tammy that got a cryptic text last episode, not Diane? The fuck is going with those dressed up girls, especially Candy? I was mostly lost on the whole casino/insurance business, until the end, sort of. I guess it's just me.

And what the fuck at Janey-E, or anybody in this show. How can you not notice your husband is beyond fucked up? Are these people human? Does this take place on Earth? Like, seriously.
 

Moff

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I don't know, is it rape if it reawakens something he loved ?

He tasted coffee and loved it, then wanted more.

Did he give off the impression that he wasn't enjoying himself ?
a 14 year old boy might also enjoy himself if his teacher raped him, that doesn't matter at all. Dougie is clearly not able to give consent, he is mentally handicapped.

Plus it's not like she took advantage of anything. It's her husband from her point of view. Whether you buy that she doesn't see he's not himself or not is irrelevant, because she doesn't see it, if you think it wasn't handled well enough it's fine, but it certainly doesn't make her vile from seeking intimacy with her husband.

rape happens in marriage a lot and it's not pretty
 
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Deleted member 80556

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To be honest, if Cooper had thought that Janey-E was doing something unjust, he would have probably karate chop'd her neck like with Ike. I mean he does seem to get into his own self in situations where something wrong is happening.

For the vast majority of the episode I had no idea what was going on or why were things happening. I forgot who Miriam was. What's the deal with the scene with the druggie couple? Laura's face in the door frame? Wasn't it Tammy that got a cryptic text last episode, not Diane? The fuck is going with those dressed up girls, especially Candy? I was mostly lost on the whole casino/insurance business, until the end, sort of. I guess it's just me.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's you, because I can answer all those questions. Except maybe the dressed up girls ones, EDIT: and the Laura one! That one was creepy and seems to imply that Gordon, just like Cooper, has some Blue Rose powers.
 
For the vast majority of the episode I had no idea what was going on or why were happening. I forgot who Miriam was. What's the deal with the scene with the druggie couple? Laura's face in the door frame? Wasn't it Tammy that got a cryptic text last episode, not Diane? The fuck is going with those dressed up girls, especially Candy? I was mostly lost on the whole casino/insurance business, until the end, sort of. I guess it's just me.

Druggie couple includes Amanda Seifried who plays Shelly Johnson's daughter. Prior to this scene, they had a couple scenes a few episodes ago, one in which they establish the boyfriend's drug problem.

Diane got the texts, not Tammy.

Candy works for the two mobsters who have it out for Mr. Jackpots.
 
For the vast majority of the episode I had no idea what was going on or why were things happening. I forgot who Miriam was. What's the deal with the scene with the druggie couple? Laura's face in the door frame? Wasn't it Tammy that got a cryptic text last episode, not Diane? The fuck is going with those dressed up girls, especially Candy? I was mostly lost on the whole casino/insurance business, until the end, sort of. I guess it's just me.

And what the fuck at Janey-E, or anybody in this show. How can you not notice your husband is beyond fucked up? Are these people human? Does this take place on Earth? Like, seriously.

Let me take this.

The 'druggie couple' is Becky (Shelley's daughter) and Steven, her husband. I don't blame you for not recognizing them, given all the anger and crying and sideways faces, but it looks like she caught herself a Leo.

Laura's face in the door frame... no idea yet.
Diane got the cryptic text. She checked her phone on the plane. No signal. Received it in the waiting room at the morgue.
Candie is dandy, huh?
Almost no one in this show acts 'normally'. So you've got to hold Dougie to that baseline. Listen to how Janey-E talks to the two debt collector guys. That's not normal human speak. It's lynchverse dialogue. Someone 'realistically' suffering a mental breakdown probably wouldn't even stand out. Look at Lucy's problem with mobile phones that is meant to just be a quirk.
Most of the people are human. Apart from Mr C. And original Dougie. And maybe Red.
Parts of the show do not take place on Earth, although most do.
 

Vectorman

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This show will end with the Coop, Dougie Jones' family, the Dakota folks, and the townspeople of TP all beings Cylons...excuse me Dopplergangers.
 
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