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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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cartoon_soldier
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Wasn't the new CBO score today?
A Serious Man
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What? What rules are they suspending? How many votes would they need with said rules suspended? Why are they rewriting to court votes if they're just going to pull some rules chicanery? I've heard nothing else about this I'm very confused.
neurosisxeno
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aspiegamer
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From my understanding (which could be entirely wrong), they need to do this to bypass the normal process of discussion, interviews, reading of the bill, whatever, etc... Calling it "martial law" comes from the GOP pretty much winging it after a simple majority vote which lets them quash dissent and objections. It's the House equivalent of "going nuclear" in the Senate to avoid 60 votes. There are a lot of rules that aren't actually in the system and some functionality of Congress is built on the idea that one party would never entirely dick over the other. It renders the Democrats there somewhat "obsolete" for a short time, you could say. Not that the bill wouldn't pass committee on a party line vote, but the GOP are in a hurry, so there's no time to go through the normal process. They have to hijack it.
This happens more on the state level. "We have a state emergency! We need to temporarily suspend the rules to deal with it! Let's run until 2am tonight and start at 6am, and no beverages such as coffee in the chamber. Also, here's an anti-abortion law we'd like to enter into the record and take a voice vote on while half the Democrats are out for a smoke." (This is an exaggerated scenario, but it's the general idea)
SpaceCadetKeon
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So this evening, the Senate's voting on whether to repeal an FCC rule imposing data privacy requirements on ISPs. Should we be worried?
All major House bills pass by suspending the normal rules of order in order to take a vote on a specific bill, so all major House bills start with a rule being passed through the Rules Committee.
The reason for this is arcane and historical, but in practice it puts power in the House in the hands of the majority party, which controls the Rules Committee, rather than leaving it all in the hands of the Speaker of the House as had been the case previously.
They still need a majority to pass the bill.
edit: Here's a CRS report on the topic: https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30945.pdf
This doesn't affect the Senate at all, although the Senate is also cheating in a different way using the budget reconciliation window.
cartoon_soldier
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We have liftoff.
I am hoping that whatever is being put in place to please freedom caucus turns off all moderates.
Still believe this passes the house Thursday.
Changing their already-terrible bill to be more appealing to the fringe is long-term political death (and actual human death!) so I'm still reluctant to say I'd expect this to become law.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The bill dying in the Senate would still be an embarrassing event for Trump, and would have the added effect of the House passing the bill and tying that political noose around their own necks.
Except it will pass in the Senate when they cross a T on the front cover and Lisa Murkowski shits out, "Although I have my objections to this flawed bill, our country cannot continue under the disastrous reign of the Hitler Act Obamacare."
GL poors.
edit: Trump will campaign on it as being the best ever and people will believe him. Before AHCGodA, premiums were going crazy. Now they are lowest ever. CNN is fake news.
Did yall live through 2016
GL poors.
edit: Trump will campaign on it as being the best ever and people will believe him. Before AHCGodA, premiums were going crazy. Now they are lowest ever. CNN is fake news.
Did yall live through 2016
Cyprus, eh.
Wilbur Ross, Trump's Secretary of Commerce, coincidentally (or not) was Vice-Chairman of the Bank of Cyprus from 2014 until he assumed his post in the administration this year.
The Guardian: Trump's commerce secretary oversaw Russia deal while at Bank of Cyprus
Rachel Maddow: Wilbur Ross At Nexus Of Donald Trump Russian Deal
The plot thickens.
Pretty extraordinary interview with Trump ... on truths and falsehoods: http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/
It's like a Greatest Hits -- Cruz/JFK, voter fraud, wiretapping, Sweden, NATO, Brexit.
It's like a Greatest Hits -- Cruz/JFK, voter fraud, wiretapping, Sweden, NATO, Brexit.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
shinra-bansho
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They should really just plaster this image everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
Why does it spike above 200k?They should really just plaster this image everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
Edit: oh I see. This healthcare plan sounds great. Why don't you guys just put money in HSAs? Then your heirs can access the money later.
Roland_Gunner
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Anyone who gets healthcare outside their employer should be pretty terrified. Question is, are people acting on that fear?
I get it through my employer. anyone who will ever use health insurance period should be terrified. Everyone's premiums are probably gonna rise, and if you change jobs and need something in between the AHCA is going to offer you the shittiest of shitty care.
Hope nothing bad ever happens to you when your life may literally depend on an AHCA plan as well
Mental health not being covered anymore is a moral absurdity, go down the list...
This isn't just about if you're low income or not.
Nazgul_Hunter
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He's so obsessed with the Brexit thing Jesus.
Officerrob
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Rep Thomas Massie (R): "The Healthcare companies were at the table when this bill was created, that's why they are the ones making out the best in this deal"
If you change jobs, even.
So yes if you're living your life even when you make a major change, like, you know, finding a new or better job, moving, etc. you should be terrified and outraged. This is not just about how thick your wallet is or isn't.
Officerrob
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Shows how weak the "moderates" are that they will go along with this
New Yorker published an article basically telling us who was responsible for Breitbart, Bannon, and Trump: Robert Mercer and his daughter.
A man who states that radiation can be healthy for humans, that we should have taken Iraq's oil, and Civil Rights Act was a mistake.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newy...e-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency/amp
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Just watched the totally biased and fake news reports of the so-called Russia story on NBC and ABC. Such dishonesty!
8:18 AM · Mar 23, 2017
A man who states that radiation can be healthy for humans, that we should have taken Iraq's oil, and Civil Rights Act was a mistake.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newy...e-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency/amp
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Just watched the totally biased and fake news reports of the so-called Russia story on NBC and ABC. Such dishonesty!
8:18 AM · Mar 23, 2017
There are barely any true moderates in the GOP left. McCain is probably the most well known and even then he rolls over most of the time anyway.
The Republican Party is a shell of its forner self. I think even their lord and savior Ronald Reagan would be disgusted by a lot of their antics right now
Pai Pai Master
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They should really just plaster this image everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
Just WTF is this fucking fuckshit
Officerrob
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It's what everyone should have expected
balladofwindfishes
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They should really just plaster this image everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
I actually stand to gain money and benefits from the GOP Bill?
That's... weird. I wouldn't really consider myself to be rich. Certainly upper middle class, but not really the demographic that usually benefits from GOP nonsense.
neurosisxeno
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He's done everything the right likes to accuse Soros of and then some. And he doesn't even hide the fact that he's a huge scumbag. There better be some journalists somewhere digging into this guy...
balladofwindfishes
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The GOP is waking the sleeping beast.
The freshman in congress don't really seem to understand the power of AARP.
Yes, except Mercer's bullshit is actually real.
There is literally nothing that can shame 40ish percent of the country out of being a Republican. If there's a bad Republican in office, then that's a reflection on him/her, not the voters. When that person fails, it's because they weren't a real Republican, they were a RINO. It'll be extremely easy for Republicans, both on the Hill and throughout the country, to do this with Trump eventually because he is probably the least conservative Republican to run for, let alone, win the presidency in a long time.
But no serious amount of Republican voters will ever feel that an R next to their name, or their candidate's name, is a badge of shame. How quickly we forget George W. Bush, a doofus who put this country through some of its worst turmoil *ever* and left office with miserable approval ratings, and yet the Republican Party not only continues to exist but many of them still speak glowingly of Bush!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Right. And I'm not delusional enough to think these people will magically vote all democrat, but I do believe they'll stay home on voting day, and that could be enough.
Crimson_Gold
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What's going on?
Dubbedinenglish
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Just got an AP alert that Treasury Department agents have obtained Manafort's offshore financial info.
Dude is toast
Dude is toast
neurosisxeno
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It's been a lightly covered story. There has been a huge uptick in bomb threats made to Jewish Community Centers, and they were trying to find the source of them. Looks like they have a suspect now. Also this topic lead to one of the most hilariously bad responses Donald Trump has ever given to a question.
djplaeskool
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Then you also had that dude that supposedly made some of the threats in his ex-girlfriend's name to get back at her I guess.
Crimson_Gold
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They should really just plaster this image everywhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/who-gain-who-loses-republican-health-plan.html
With every story on healthcare legislation I have to stop and try and figure out if they're talking about effects on everybody, or just people who purchased insurance through the exchange? That link shows a small tax cut for families between $50k-$70K, but is that tax cut just an increase in exchange subsidies? How will this affect people whose insurance is through their employers?
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