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Hooligan69
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(06-15-2017, 09:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wilsongt

"Deep state"

I hope so much this administrationis brought to its knees because they decided to listen to people like Laura Ingraham, Steve Doocey, Brian Kilameade, Steve Bannon, and Sean fucking Hannity.

Right? I mean there has to be a bottom somewhere, but every day it feels like falling with the Balrog, falling... falling...




still falling...

is that the botto.... nope.



still falling...


Remember when Sarah Palin was considered the bottom? LOL, fun days!
smokeymicpot
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(06-15-2017, 09:14 PM)
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Change of vacation spot.

Per FAA TFR, it appears POTUS is off to Camp David Saturday/Sunday

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...31064554139648
androvsky
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(06-15-2017, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Change of vacation spot.

Per FAA TFR, it appears POTUS is off to Camp David Saturday/Sunday

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...31064554139648

From wikipedia:

Donald Trump thus far has used his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida as his preferred retreat location, in lieu of Camp David. When asked about Camp David in an interview with The Times of London and the German newspaper Bild in January 2017, Trump stated that Camp David was "very rustic" and "It's nice, you'd like it. You know how long you’d like it? For about 30 minutes."

Might be an interesting weekend if he's avoiding his adoring Mar-a-Lago members in favor of the cabin in the woods.

edit: To be fair, he might just want a change of scenery... okay, it's Trump, that's definitely not the case, unless it's been cladded entirely in gold. Or just wants to use every Presidential thing he has, no matter how dull it is to him.
Alavard
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(06-15-2017, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Change of vacation spot.

Per FAA TFR, it appears POTUS is off to Camp David Saturday/Sunday

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...31064554139648

I can just imagine the ghost stories they'll tell around the campfire:

'But the leak was coming... from inside the White House!'
kirblar
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(06-15-2017, 09:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by whyamihere

Imagine sucking as much as Theresa May.

Imagine Labour w/ a leader who could actually run ahead of their party's popularity.
Slizeezyc
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(06-15-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by whyamihere

Imagine sucking as much as Theresa May.

Imagine losing that hard, that fast.

It is the epitome of "life moves pretty fast."
kess
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(06-15-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by kirblar

Imagine Labour w/ a leader who could actually run ahead of their party's popularity.

Easier said than done when your leadership candidates are Ed "Grimace" Miliband and a pair of Balls
Roland_Gunner
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(06-15-2017, 09:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Aaron Strife

You saw a few Democrats jump ship in 1994 because a) they were already much further out of line with the party than Manchin is with today's Democrats and b) they wanted to be a part of the new majority. There's no advantage to Manchin being in the "majority" of a 50-50 R Senate versus a 51-49 D Senate, especially knowing that Democrats would have a decent chance of expanding that majority in 2020 when the deck is less stacked.

In '94 everyone could see that the South was going to swing hard to the GOP for the foreseeable future. Guys like Shelby decided to ride that wave rather the be drowned by it. Machin isn't going to be running for office for 20 more years.
Electric Eye
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(06-15-2017, 09:26 PM)

Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Change of vacation spot.

Per FAA TFR, it appears POTUS is off to Camp David Saturday/Sunday

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...31064554139648

Did someone make the decision for him? Maybe to keep him from talking to the members about incriminating things and to keep him away from possible Russian moles? And if he's talked to mar o lago memebers does that mean they can be considered witnesses to be called in?
whyamihere
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(06-15-2017, 09:29 PM)

Originally Posted by kirblar

Imagine Labour w/ a leader who could actually run ahead of their party's popularity.

You realize that Labour wouldn't have actually done as well without the electorate that Corbyn brought in, right?

I know that doesn't fit your Narrative, but it's an uncomfortable reality to have to come to terms with for people who don't like socialism.
Joe Shlabotnik
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(06-15-2017, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by balladofwindfishes

The government is putting life time limits on health care.

That's pretty rich considering the anti-ACA arguments back in the day.

Doesn't count as killing old people if you don't live to see 50!
benjipwns
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(06-15-2017, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by BoogieWoogie

I give it a month until Trump just starts raging through DOJ appointments to try to get at Mueller. Actually, I should look at the line of succession to see who would be the most likely to can Mueller.

Good news! Many appointed positions down the line are still vacant.

Originally Posted by kirblar

Imagine Labour w/ a leader who could actually run ahead of their party's popularity.

Tony Blair?
kirblar
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(06-15-2017, 09:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by whyamihere

You realize that Labour wouldn't have actually done as well without the electorate that Corbyn brought in, right?

I know that doesn't fit your Narrative, but it's an uncomfortable reality to have to come to terms with for people who don't like socialism.

I'm not even talking about this on a issue basis. (Labour's actual platform is relatively boilerplate)

I'm talking on a pure numbers basis- having a party running ahead of their leadership candidate is really weird, at least, based on my experiences here in the US, where it's almost universally the opposite (in part due to parties generally being unpopular all the time here.)
BoogieWoogie
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(06-15-2017, 09:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Electric Eye

Did someone make the decision for him? Maybe to keep him from talking to the members about incriminating things and to keep him away from possible Russian moles? And if he's talked to mar o lago memebers does that mean they can be considered witnesses to be called in?

Imagine if he's never allowed back to his precious Mar A Lago.
balladofwindfishes
(06-15-2017, 09:36 PM)
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- Get cancer
- Hit lifetime limit in 6 months
- Attempt to get new insurance without limits
- Denied due to pre-existing condition
- Die from a survivable cancer
- Leave your family in crippling debt

Somehow this is a better solution than
- Get cancer
- Go into debt from deductibles
- Survive
- Still in crippling debt, but alive
- Go bankrupt

And that's somehow a better solution than
- Pay taxes
- Get cancer
- Survive
- Move on with your life
whyamihere
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(06-15-2017, 09:36 PM)

Originally Posted by kirblar

I'm not even talking about this on a issue basis. (Labour's actual platform is relatively boilerplate)

I'm talking on a pure numbers basis- having a party running ahead of their leadership candidate is really weird, at least, based on my experiences here in the US, where it's almost universally the opposite (in part due to parties generally being unpopular all the time here.)

On a pure numbers basis, Labour would not have done as well with a different leader because of the electorate that Jeremy was able to turn out.

You also are looking at this from a US perspective, which is bad. Theresa tried to run on herself instead of running on Tories (which were much more unpopular than she was), and it backfired, for good reason.
Blader
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(06-15-2017, 09:37 PM)
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Wishful thinking in the face of imminent policy despair, or is there actually something to this argument?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...r-medicare-all
benjipwns
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(06-15-2017, 09:37 PM)
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Just realized that Plenipotentiary Rodman would make a great addition to the Jeb!/benji 2020 campaign/basketball team.

Foreign policy experience, rebounding, defense.
dramatis
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(06-15-2017, 09:38 PM)
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Judge Delivers Blow To Trump Administration In Dakota Access Fight

A federal judge in Washington, D.C., ruled Wednesday that the Trump administration failed to follow proper environmental procedures when it granted approval to the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline project.

It's a legal victory for the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and environmentalists, who protested for months against the pipeline. Oil started flowing through it earlier this month. The tribe fears that the pipeline, which crosses the Missouri River just upstream of its reservation, could contaminate its drinking water and sacred lands.

This ruling does not order a halt to pipeline operations. But it opens the door to that possibility.

The judge writes that the standard remedy in this situation would be to vacate the pipeline's permits and easement, thereby halting pipeline operations until the Army Corps is in compliance with environmental procedures.

"Such a move, of course, would carry serious consequences that a court should not lightly impose," Boasberg says. He ordered the parties to submit briefings about the legal question and scheduled a status hearing for next Wednesday.

Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
(06-15-2017, 09:39 PM)

Originally Posted by balladofwindfishes

- Get cancer
- Hit lifetime limit in 6 months
- Attempt to get new insurance without limits
- Denied due to pre-existing condition
- Die from a survivable cancer
- Leave your family in crippling debt

Somehow this is a better solution than
- Get cancer
- Go into debt from deductibles
- Survive
- Still in crippling debt, but alive
- Go bankrupt

And that's somehow a better solution than
- Pay taxes
- Get cancer
- Survive
- Move on with your life

This is the exact type of thing I want democrats to start blanketing the airwaves with.
balladofwindfishes
(06-15-2017, 09:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

This is the exact type of thing I want democrats to start blanketing the airwaves with.

Nobody reads or cares after step 1 "pay taxes"

Once you mention taxes, people just tune out and instantly hate the idea because of 50 years of indoctrination that taxes are the ultimate evil of the government
benjipwns
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(06-15-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Judge Delivers Blow To Trump Administration In Dakota Access Fight

thread if you're interested in more: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392120
Blader
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(06-15-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by androvsky

From wikipedia:

Might be an interesting weekend if he's avoiding his adoring Mar-a-Lago members in favor of the cabin in the woods.

edit: To be fair, he might just want a change of scenery... okay, it's Trump, that's definitely not the case, unless it's been cladded entirely in gold. Or just wants to use every Presidential thing he has, no matter how dull it is to him.

I actually laughed. I don't blame him, Camp David looks boring.
Ernest
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(06-15-2017, 09:42 PM)

Originally Posted by benjipwns

Good news! Many appointed positions down the line are still vacant.

This is one of the tells that Trump doesn't give a flying fuck about government or governing. The actual job means fuck-all to him - instead, it's all about the position and the acclaim.
TestOfTide
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(06-15-2017, 09:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Blader

Wishful thinking in the face of imminent policy despair, or is there actually something to this argument?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...r-medicare-all

I don't know if Medicare for All will necessarily be passed the next time Democrats take back power, but it's basically guaranteed that the next time Democrats take back power they will pass something that is at the very least something more like Obamacare but with a Public Option and medicare buy-in for people 55-64.
smokeymicpot
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(06-15-2017, 09:46 PM)
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Guess who has nothing to do in the afternoon.

Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38639823675392
Wilsongt
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(06-15-2017, 09:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Guess who has nothing to do in the afternoon.

Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38639823675392

One of these things is not like the other~
benjipwns
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(06-15-2017, 09:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blader

I actually laughed. I don't blame him, Camp David looks boring.

IIRC, most Presidents haven't cared much for Camp David. I think Reagan was the only one who really liked it so he really started that whole let's hold all these important meetings there thing.

I want to say Thatcher has a highly negative Yelp review of the place in her one memoir. One foreign dictator dude really loved it too.

People are weird man.
RumbleHumble
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(06-15-2017, 09:50 PM)

Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Guess who has nothing to do in the afternoon.

Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38639823675392

Mr. President, who's the president? Is it the Clintons? Who won the election through possible collusion with Russia? Was it the Clintons? Who refuses to say anything negative about Russia/Putin? Is it the Clintons?

Go enjoy reeling in fear, jackass
balladofwindfishes
(06-15-2017, 09:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blader;24088765I8

Wishful thinking in the face of imminent policy despair, or is there actually something to this argument?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...r-medicare-all

I figure this is the end result of all of this. The GOP pushes way too far, healthcare goes into an even worse position than it was pre-Obama, the Democrats sweep everything in 2018 and 2020, and the public demand a public option, which gets quickly passed.
TheLostBigBoss
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(06-15-2017, 09:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Guess who has nothing to do in the afternoon.

Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38639823675392

So he is admiting his personal and business dealings with Russia are also investigation?
Spoiled Milk
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(06-15-2017, 09:51 PM)

Originally Posted by balladofwindfishes

the Democrats sweep everything in 2018 and 2020, and the public demand a public option, which gets quickly passed.

How does a wave that big give Democrats majorities everywhere but doesn't push us far enough for Medicare for all
Blader
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(06-15-2017, 09:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by benjipwns

IIRC, most Presidents haven't cared much for Camp David. I think Reagan was the only one who really liked it so he really started that whole let's hold all these important meetings there thing.

I want to say Thatcher has a highly negative Yelp review of the place in her one memoir. One foreign dictator dude really loved it too.

People are weird man.

I just can't relate to anyone whose idea of a good time is spending a weekend in the woods. It's the woods!
Ogodei
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(06-15-2017, 09:57 PM)
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Obamacare, deliberately or not, was a political trap designed to ensure that we went towards universal health care. It was flawed even if it had worked out as intended (with the non-gutted medicaid expansion), and those flaws would exacerbate over time, but going back to the status quo ante (which was also unsustainable, but so many people simply didn't have healthcare that they didn't notice) would become politically impossible, so the only way out is forwards.

Medicare for all was going to happen one way or another, but the GOP makes it easier because by making healthcare actively worse, they stoke the fires of activism that call for people to push improvements that they would otherwise care less about. If we're talking about the boiling frog analogy, the frog doesn't notice if the temperature is climbing at Obamacare rates, but the frog sure as hell will notice and jump out at AHCA rates.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
(06-15-2017, 09:58 PM)

Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Guess who has nothing to do in the afternoon.

Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38639823675392

I am blown away about how addicted these people are to the Clintons.
smokeymicpot
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(06-15-2017, 09:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blader

I just can't relate to anyone whose idea of a good time is spending a weekend in the woods. It's the woods!

Hanging in the middle of the woods is pretty sweet with friends. Just drinking and relaxing plus no cell service.

Originally Posted by Plinko

I am blown away about how addicted these people are to the Clintons.

Wait there is more.

Crooked H destroyed phones w/ hammer, 'bleached' emails, & had husband meet w/AG days before she was cleared- & they talk about obstruction?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...41788110110727
kirblar
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(06-15-2017, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by whyamihere

On a pure numbers basis, Labour would not have done as well with a different leader because of the electorate that Jeremy was able to turn out.

You also are looking at this from a US perspective, which is bad. Theresa tried to run on herself instead of running on Tories (which were much more unpopular than she was), and it backfired, for good reason.

Are there numbers showing people being drawn to him specifically instead of the party? Again, argument isn't his policies, it's more "Isn't there a socialist candidate who people like more than Corbyn?"

I totally understand the issue they're facing internally (the ex-UKIP vote increase seems similar to the US w/ areas that love social benefits but also love denying them to other people) and why that had a role to play, as well as the "sunbelt"-esque heavily Remain middle/upper-class areas flipping to Labour. (This is different than in the US, where we're seeing the gains pretty much only on the latter side.) They made gains on both ends while losing Scotland, which is likely to have very different results in a future election because of all the weird one-off issues there. If/when Labour actually takes power, this is probably going to result in some internal strife, though again - the platform is really boilerplate. It does seem like getting some sort of Brexit compromise worked out w/ the Tories would be to their advantage, if only because that's a hot potato they probably don't want to be taking on their own, due to the fact that both parties appear to have internal fractures on the subject.
balladofwindfishes
(06-15-2017, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

I am blown away about how addicted these people are to the Clintons.

There's a bizarre lack of blame shifted towards Obama as well

He'd rather talk about someone who is not president and is only married to someone who was president 25 years ago, than talk about Obama.

I guess he figures ranting about Obama isn't really worthwhile since he's so popular?
androvsky
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(06-15-2017, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Hanging in the middle of the woods is pretty sweet with friends. Just drinking and relaxing plus no cell service.

Wait there is more.

Crooked H destroyed phones w/ hammer, 'bleached' emails, & had husband meet w/AG days before she was cleared- & they talk about obstruction?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...41788110110727

I nearly joked earlier that if Trump's going to Camp David, he's probably going to fire Mueller while he's there. Now I'm not sure he'll wait that long, wow.
Hooligan69
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(06-15-2017, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blader

I just can't relate to anyone whose idea of a good time is spending a weekend in the woods. It's the woods!

Going to the woods this weekend for Father's Day. No internet, beautiful weather, and the Milky Way visible to the naked eye at night. All I need is food, beer, my Kindle and art supplies.
whyamihere
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(06-15-2017, 10:04 PM)

Originally Posted by kirblar

Are there numbers showing people being drawn to him specifically instead of the party? Again, argument isn't his policies, it's more "Isn't there a socialist candidate who people like more than Corbyn?"

I totally understand the issue they're facing internally (the ex-UKIP vote increase seems similar to the US w/ areas that love social benefits but also love denying them to other people) and why that had a role to play, as well as the "sunbelt"-esque heavily Remain middle/upper-class areas flipping to Labour. (This is different than in the US, where we're seeing the gains pretty much only on the latter side.) They made gains on both ends while losing Scotland, which is likely to have very different results in a future election because of all the weird one-off issues there. If/when Labour actually takes power, this is probably going to result in some internal strife, though again - the platform is really boilerplate. It does seem like getting some sort of Brexit compromise worked out w/ the Tories would be to their advantage, if only because that's a hot potato they probably don't want to be taking on their own, due to the fact that both parties appear to have internal fractures on the subject.

Yes, people are being drawn to him specifically -- that's the entire reason he was able to win places like Canterbury -- places that have never gone Labour, but had HUGE gains of the student vote and youth vote. Same with even places that were Remain heavy like Battersea and Kensington that could only be won through the influx of the youth vote and not just Tory Remainers.

So yes, based on the seats he won and the composite of the electorate, he did well because he was able to activate the youth vote and non-traditional voters.
Suikoguy
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(06-15-2017, 10:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by androvsky

I nearly joked earlier that if Trump's going to Camp David, he's probably going to fire Mueller while he's there. Now I'm not sure he'll wait that long, wow.

Well, we know who to blame/praise now.
Spoiled Milk
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(06-15-2017, 10:05 PM)

Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Crooked H destroyed phones w/ hammer, 'bleached' emails, & had husband meet w/AG days before she was cleared- & they talk about obstruction?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...41788110110727

Holy shit, the first response is from Paul Nehlen!!

I'm concerned that Ryan is working the Mueller angle. Ryan DOES NOT have your back, except for shiving purposes.

STILL MAD ABOUT THE PRIMARY
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
(06-15-2017, 10:09 PM)
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Anyone know if there is any merit to this "unlimited amendments on reconciliation bills" stuff?

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875382866452119555
Teggy
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(06-15-2017, 10:11 PM)
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Ah, bleached emails, a classic returns.
balladofwindfishes
(06-15-2017, 10:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Suikoguy

Anyone know if there is any merit to this "unlimited amendments on reconciliation bills" stuff?

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875382866452119555

haha, this is the kind of tactic the GOP would use

If this is legit, Democrats should at least try (before McConnell instantly changes the rules to not allow this)
kirblar
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(06-15-2017, 10:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Suikoguy

Anyone know if there is any merit to this "unlimited amendments on reconciliation bills" stuff?

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875382866452119555

This may have the net effect of destroying the Senate Fillibuster.

They should do it anyway.

(I wasn't kidding when I said that "I am only opposing this idea because it is bad" w/ earlier suggested tactics!)
lush
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(06-15-2017, 10:12 PM)
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Yeesh, this is getting brutal. Guy's an absolute embarrassment.
Ogodei
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(06-15-2017, 10:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by balladofwindfishes

There's a bizarre lack of blame shifted towards Obama as well

He'd rather talk about someone who is not president and is only married to someone who was president 25 years ago, than talk about Obama.

I guess he figures ranting about Obama isn't really worthwhile since he's so popular?

I like to think that he's very intimidated by Obama, while he's not by Clinton because she's a loser whom he conquered, but then he met Obama and got manhandled in a way that hasn't become public yet.

Oh for autobiography time.
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(06-15-2017, 10:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Judge Delivers Blow To Trump Administration In Dakota Access Fight

Oh hell yes

In other news, each of the 50 states has become too expensive for the average minimum-wage worker to afford a two-bedroom apartment.

The rent is too damn high.

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