Lagspike_exe
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I think that Kotaku's $429/$529 rumor may become reality. Along with a online subscription it could allow Sony to soak up the hardware BoM.
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PS4 initial costing analysis [Updated]
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Manmademan
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that's actually not bad at all. even worst case at $449, sony would make a healthy profit per system- and that's WAY out of the norm for them.
$399 is realistic for the entry level sku I think.
iamshadowlark
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Well if you read the thread, that's what op is basing his prices on.
Manmademan
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generic bulk discount though, not sony specific bulk discount rates. those are likely better- but the OP forgot a few things (PSeye) in his calculation. I figure it's a wash at the high end of the estimate.
Don't forget also that Sony will be using Gaikai network features as a HUGE carrot to get gamers to sign up for PS+, or whatever it will be called. a year or more subscription with every system is pure profit for them, and will do quite a bit to offset losses- much as a premium sku does.
zomgbbqftw
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No, it will be $399 or $449. The $429 price point makes no sense whatsoever.
FWIW at the office everyone thinks $399 is locked from these specs, we figure Sony will eat $50-60 up front to get to $399 since that is just one accessory/online subscription and one game away from profitability which is not a big jump like PS3 which required 6 games and two accessories.
CadetMahoney
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damn, not really interested in paying those prices tbh.
Yep, I agree. I posted the same in a similar thread last night. $429 for ~200GB HD and $529 for a 500gb HD and the playstation kinect sensor or some other sort of pack-in, maybe a 6-month PS+ card.
I really thought they would build a system they could sell for $399, but that doesn't seem likely anymore. Can definitely see them offering a subscription model.
Someone told me they're packing in a PS eye with every console, but I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere, is it true?
Someone told me they're packing in a PS eye with every console, but I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere, is it true?
Chû Totoro
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400 may be ok if I have a game and everything controller related in the pack (headstet, move 2.0 sensor bar...) and free online.
But not sure for day 1.
But not sure for day 1.
SolsticeZero
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$399 is looking like a reality if Sony is willing to take an initial hit. But I would gladly pay $450 or $500 for this beast.
TheDarkKnight774
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Portugeezer
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Well that sounds promising nonetheless, around $400 would be great.
I did wonder a while ago - over a year, I think - if we'd get into a situation where one of MS and Sony decided to go full-on with hardware but sell it at a *massive* loss to them to try to get the machines out there. It'd be a risky situation but it could well bear dividends. Only thing is, in that situation I imagined it'd be MS who plumped for that strategy.
I don't really have issues with the 429/529 rumor after seeing the hardware. But I don't see how they can split the hard drive size in SKUs. It's in Sony's economic interest to get people buying stuff to fill those hard drives. Putting in a small hard drive hurts Sony in the end. Plus, nobody really sells small hard drives anyways. At a certain point, it saves you nothing.
Assuming they do have a split SKU, I would say it's more along the lines of a 500GB / 1 (2) TB split. And the extra 100 dollars would get you a year (or 3 months) subscription to their premium network service. You really can't dip below 500GB for the entry level or else you're not only not saving money, but you're costing yourselves future revenue in DD sales.
Assuming they do have a split SKU, I would say it's more along the lines of a 500GB / 1 (2) TB split. And the extra 100 dollars would get you a year (or 3 months) subscription to their premium network service. You really can't dip below 500GB for the entry level or else you're not only not saving money, but you're costing yourselves future revenue in DD sales.
casablanca
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Sony prices must be basically half of what's in the op.
I'm betting on 400.
I'm betting on 400.
AdventureRacing
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I feel like Sony will deliver a good price, hoping for $400 and i would expect no more than $500.
Why do you think that? Sony actually went for that exact strategy this gen.
Why do you think that? Sony actually went for that exact strategy this gen.
Pai Pai Master
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I think they'll price it at $450. $100 up from the Wii U is a totally valid price point.
Sickboy007
Member
Please be 399$/299£/349
Yep, anywhere between $400-450 is a good price.
Zekra Dezivad
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449: 500GB, controller, ps4eye
549: 1TB, controller, ps4eye, headset, 1 month of new ps plus
549: 1TB, controller, ps4eye, headset, 1 month of new ps plus
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Nintendo will cut the price by the end of the year (maybe even in spring).
249 WiiU basic and a 449 ps4 basic woul be difficult for sony, even with an extremely better hardware in everything.
I think that they have to aim for 399 price point for the basic sku, but it's non easy
AranhaHunter
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Agree, plus the premium SKU will probably be profitable on HW alone if it's $499.
EDIT: I think they should start doing what MS is doing and offer subsidized PS3/PS4/PSV on their sony stores and then expand that model from there.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Damn. 100 is just above Wii U max? Makes the PS4 sound like a bargain in terms of power to price ratio.
Do you think that the PS4's features and specification mean it's only worth £30 more than a Wii-U?
pieatorium
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McHuj
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IMO, those two will be integrated into the APU. I believe they only mentioned dedicated hardware, not necessarily that they are separate chips.
Keeping that stuff in the APU should allow for a simpler motherboard as well.
TheExecutive
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I am still standing by the $399 and $499 model.
zomgbbqftw
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Maybe, but there are advantages to keeping them off-die, you get a yield bonus on the APU and you get easier power gating for the low power mode they talked about. It will come at a motherboard complexity cost, but given that ARM chips are not very power hungry and video encode/decode hardware isn't either Sony would do well to keep them separate.
Goldenroad
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How so? Maybe you mean for production costs, but to market this thing and sell it, not to mention shipping and other overhead costs, Sony would be taking a HUGE loss selling it for $400. I'm predicting $500, but requiring a subscription to make up for the loss they would still be taking.
Bob Coffee
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My gut is telling me $599. 8 gigs of gddr5 don't come cheap.
MikeE21286
Member
So this is gonna be $499.
Also, I don't see the controller or the camera anywhere?
I really think this could be a pricing option also.
Kotaku really did knock it out of the park with their rumors.
LowEndTorque
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$399 if we're really lucky. $429 is looking like the like the most probable price.
McHuj
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I think the video encoder/decoder will definitely be on the APU. AMD GPU's already have the decoder, not sure about the encode, but chances are that's where you want it since you're going to be encoding game play, maybe there's some intelligence that the encoder can "see" the frame buffer as it's being written to memory by the GPU and encode the game play without having to pull it from memory again.
The background hardware could be kept as a separate chip. It would make power gating cheaper, it would be less then a 1W to run. IMO, you only need a single core ARM.
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