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MINDHUNTER |OT| Netflix Original Series - Oct 13
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HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You are entirely correct.
brianmcdoogle
Member
I'm up through episode 6.
Spoilers for the openings if people don't know who it is:
As for the show, I'm running lukewarm. I'll reiterate my first comment that the show is too brightly lit to be a Fincher production. Moreover, the pace of the editing doesn't really jive with his other works, or the color grading, and so on. The comparisons to Zodiac, a film I love and that I think is easily Fincher's best work and one of the best english movies of the 2000s, seem really shallow and hollow. Saying this is like Zodiac is like saying the movie Mission to Mars is like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Spoilers for the openings if people don't know who it is:
I wonder where they are going to go with the BTK stuff. That's a case that spanned decades.
As for the show, I'm running lukewarm. I'll reiterate my first comment that the show is too brightly lit to be a Fincher production. Moreover, the pace of the editing doesn't really jive with his other works, or the color grading, and so on. The comparisons to Zodiac, a film I love and that I think is easily Fincher's best work and one of the best english movies of the 2000s, seem really shallow and hollow. Saying this is like Zodiac is like saying the movie Mission to Mars is like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
A bit of a rocky opening episode. Him meeting Debbie at the bar is kind of a slog that could have been trinmed down and smoother. But Im interested in everything else. Will keep watching.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
When you consider that Hoover had stopped running the FBI only a few years earlier, it's maybe not surprising that it would have been an organisation stuck in the past.
captjohnboyd
Member
No shit. The show is a slow burn sure but every character is acted impeccably.
I'll also say no one but fincher (and his co creators here) can make the simple act of listening to someone talk (and for hat matter just tell you the WHY of something they did not how) so enthralling and anxiety driven. Only six eps in and this is one of if not my favorite Netflix series ever
MHWilliams
Member
Anna Torv is grossly under-utilized in film and television.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Wow, you really can see the difference between the Fincher episodes and the non.
storafötter
Member
Slow start but really liking this. Beautifully shot and feels like a film at times. I really like the dialogue and the chemistry between the two leads. It never feels too phoney and can be funny at times. Seen 3 episodes and look forward to more. I feel like this is one of the better Netflix shows.
Bindge watched it yesterday.
Really disappointed in the show..
I'm not sure what i was expecting but i's really weirdly written. It's like they didn't really know what to do with that season, so it goes left and right and seems to fill time with light problems rather than focusing on a theme.
At some point there was 2 episodes where i was.. Soooo this is basically a standard cop investigation show like we have 45000 ??
One of the problem is that it treats the birth of psychological crime studies as something new, but the result seems like the most simple and cliché thriller you would find. Like "OMG the killer had a problem with his mom, it changes everything!!!"
I was waiting for something dark and complex and it seems the ambition is to be kinda light with really simple thinking.
Of course there is the whole character development for Groff, but i don't know.. It feels kinda like the small picture here. I was expecting more than that, something more ambitious.
Really disappointed in the show..
I'm not sure what i was expecting but i's really weirdly written. It's like they didn't really know what to do with that season, so it goes left and right and seems to fill time with light problems rather than focusing on a theme.
At some point there was 2 episodes where i was.. Soooo this is basically a standard cop investigation show like we have 45000 ??
One of the problem is that it treats the birth of psychological crime studies as something new, but the result seems like the most simple and cliché thriller you would find. Like "OMG the killer had a problem with his mom, it changes everything!!!"
But in the end everything seems pretty stupid and simple. Like.. They build all that process and psy knowledge but the application of those at the end of the show is basically : so yeah, you got that mean crazy killer. Just be nice with him and be all "yaaaa those bitches, so hot, i would have fucked them to i got you pal" and he'll just open and admit everything !
I was waiting for something dark and complex and it seems the ambition is to be kinda light with really simple thinking.
Of course there is the whole character development for Groff, but i don't know.. It feels kinda like the small picture here. I was expecting more than that, something more ambitious.
Yes very much so. I work with a guy like him and when it comes out I have to play interpretor from time to time.
Watched 4 episodes so far. Fucking sublime. The dynamic between Tench and Ford is fantastic. With Fincher overseeing it, it's not surprising that the visuals and audio are top notch, but what really makes the series its own is how relaxed it is in telling the story it wants to. There's no extraneous drama or thrilling beats to ramp up excitement. Instead it believes that the target audience interested in the subject matter would appreciate the banter and the process for what it is, and enjoy that without needing "more" that would water down the material.
That smug look on Anna Torv's face at the end of episode 4 is what everyone who made this show should be feeling right now.
That smug look on Anna Torv's face at the end of episode 4 is what everyone who made this show should be feeling right now.
More_Badass
Member
But it is something new, in the context and time period of the show, and thats kind of what makes it fascinating. Like this knowledge we take for granted, that seems so simple and understood and even cliched now, is treated with hostility and dismissal by many and as a untapped field being uncovered.
Also its a historical period piece so the notion that the reasonings are so cliched and not more exotic seems kind of weird. It seems cliched because these cases are what inspired those thrillers. Sometimes reality is just that disturbingly simple.
The show isnt about catching killers like so many serial killler procedurals; its about the process of understanding and catching killers, and thats a big difference. Compare this show to a show like Criminal Minds. Youll have your theme for that episode, youll have your scene or two where the resident experts explains the relevant concept thatll end up being what helps them catch the killer in a layman-friendly way so the audience gets it, and so on
But Mindhunter isnt like that. Its more interested in the protagonists learning from these cases and gradually building a foundation of knowledge than it is about the common catching the killer thrills. The usual interviews and mulling over evidence scenes isnt merely there for a plot twist or to deepen a mystery, but as teachable moments that the protagonists struggle to understand and adapt to in the service of the shows greater goal of showing how the field was established
Stocked to watch this with the wife last night, but it wasn't what we expected. A whole episode, at least, dedicated to the Unabomber? I mean, that's certainly interesting, but not the mind fuck of interactions with face to face serial killers. How long until the Unabomber stuff leads into the serial killer stuff? We checked the synopsis for episode 2 and realized our error.turns out searching mindhunter in Netflix brought about manhunt as its first result and we were too tired to notice. Oops. Pretty good show though.
Vic_Viper
Member
The show isnt meant to be an Murder Investigation Cop show lol. Its a period piece about how the FBI started their research into the mind of a serial killer. The random investigations that happen inbetween are just them helping out on cases with local police since noone is equipped yet to deal with these types of killings. The FBI agents werent even calling them Series Killings until super late into the season.
If anything, I was hoping for more Se7en in this show. But so far im really liking it.
yeah i see all of that of course but it just deosn't work as i would like for me. See, for example, i find Masters of Sex, which is also a show about a new scientific area struggling to exist, way better at showing that. The cultural barrier etc..
Here, and maybe that's just me, but every time they are like "maybe we could catch criminals better if we knew what's their actual problem" and a cop is like "bro we don't give a shit, they're just animals we should kill them".. It feels really stupid. It makes you think "wait we waited the late 70's for that ? really ?"
I'm not saying that's not true. I'm saying the show seems to make all that simple and almost funny at times to be accessible, and it results in something a little cheap, to me. And the application of all that seems to only be an ex negotiator trying to be buddy with the criminal with over simple shenanigans like "hey i'm gonna take the object of his fetish with me" and bam it works lol. Do they really need all those complex psychological studies for that seriously.. The show is bad at showing how those complex studies are used in a smart way. But maybe that's cause the main protagonist is meant to be pretty bad at it.
It's like the show wants to focus on the super simple stuff to not be too obscure, and that's what i'm complaining about here. And i'm really critical of House of Card to. I think Fincher is not going for the ambitious "not for everyone" show. He's not david simons i mean. Maybe i would expect him to be.
I'm justly saying it shouldn't be and its acting like it's not just that, but it's still too much of a murder investigation cop show. When you have half the season being local investigations of some random case, it's at least a way to fill the 10 episodes. When you think about it, a bog part of that season is indeed a buddy cop show about criminal cases, i'm sorry. That's just a big part of it.
Vic_Viper
Member
Your right about that, if this was a movie you probably wouldnt have these random cases throughout. Especially the principle lol. I think they are just trying to show how the local police just dont know how to deal with this sort of thing still and are just completely unequipped for it. The previews for the show didnt really do a good job informing people what the show was about though. I was expecting something like Se7en mixed with True Detective set in the late 60s/early 70s with the serieal killer interviews.
Hopefully they find their footing for season 2 because I really like the show.
wesleyshark
Banned
^^^
DarknessTear
Banned
This show doesn't seem to be very popular. I could be wrong though. It's really good IMO. Loving the actors in this show. I'm on the final episode of the season now.
Well i was expecting more of a Zodiac vibe. but that would mean more dark, paranoid.
And there is something like that with the main protagonist actually. The tickling principle is a weird case of something completely out of the criminal style of the show, yet it's really relevant for building the paranoid theme for Groff character.
But this is the thing there. Is the show an ambitious and wide period piece, a light investigation buddy show, a character drama about a cop fucking up cause of its ambition and wrong morals.... My problem with it is that it's trying to be a little of everything and it's weird to follow.
A Serious Man
Member
Much like Zodiac, this show (at least this season) is about those peering into the abyss more than the monsters inside it. I could see it pivoting in later seasons, especially with how they're setting up BTK, but people who just want a procedural deep dive into specific serial killers are going to be disappointed.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It was pretty good. Season 2 I guess will be a thing, hopefully.
What is the basis for your claim that it doesn't seem very popular?
It's getting coverage on all major sites, has a decent social media presence, and like it premiered yesterday. Kind of jumping the gun here.
It's already been renewed.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Just finished ep 4. Not feeling it so far and i'm not sure why. It's nice to see how the studies of serial killers began and the internal conflicts in the Bureau for trying to understand the killers. The cast is also solid.
Maybe it's because i was expecting this to be more procedural, like Criminal Minds but in the 70s.
Maybe it's because i was expecting this to be more procedural, like Criminal Minds but in the 70s.
Devilinthiscity
Member
So just finished this today. Totally binged watched most of it yesterday. Anyway, did
Holden have a panic attack at the end or was that a heart attack? At first I thought Kemper stabbed him when he gave him that. He kind of became insufferable a bit towards the end. His ego was out of control.
stenbumling
Unconfirmed Member
Pretty damn good, but yeah... I don't mind slow, but this was slow. It felt like a 9 or 10 hour premiere in some aspects. I also thought, without spoiling anything, the cold openings were an odd choice. Anyway, loved the main character – what an interesting fella. Also enjoyed how disinterested they were in giving the audience a "look, it's the '70s!" nudge while still staying true to the era.
Wendy asked Holden if small talk was his way of dealing with anxiety (to which he replied "I guess so"), so a panic attack sounds likely.
A Serious Man
Member
Seemed like a panic attack/nervous breakdown to me. He was spinning out,
looked disheveled before he even got to Kemper.
looked disheveled before he even got to Kemper.
Robot Pants
Member
I felt episode 1 was.... ok.
Very rocky start, very fast dialogue and quick editing. Kids surprised actually. But as the episode went on it gonna lot better.
I think its gonna be ok
Very rocky start, very fast dialogue and quick editing. Kids surprised actually. But as the episode went on it gonna lot better.
I think its gonna be ok
SirMossyBloke
Member
That's not how you do spoilers, I just spoiled myself for an episode I hadn't seen. Please put which episode you're referring to before the quote.
Mase Gumble
Member
I really liked this for the first 5 eps, but now Im on episode 7 or 8 and its suffered the traditional dip a lot of Netflix series do, for me at least. To be fair getting to episode 6 before the slide in quality is better than the usual for Netflix.
I met John Douglas once and got to talk with him a bit after his lecture. I almost went the route of forensic psychiatrist based mostly on his stuff. Very excited to watch this series. I hope they get to some of the interesting personal events in his life, especially the physical/mental toll the job had on him.
Yeah, the book is a pretty quick and very compelling read. It doesn't have any sort of linear storyline though and I'm guessing the TV show is quite a bit different (still haven't watched Midhunter yet, hoping to start tonight!). It's mostly Douglas just outlining various interviews that assisted his team in solidifying the science of profiling.