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Yarbskoo
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(07-17-2017, 09:49 PM)
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I haven't noticed people hating Mercy, but then again I don't bother with the ranked mode.
Weltall Zero
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(07-17-2017, 11:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Anne

I mean, the notion that it starts at gender is (generally) wrong. It starts at gameplay, then people latch onto the easiest way to shit on people.

That's kind of what the article implies too: right there in the title it says "support stigma / misogyny", not "misogyny / support stigma".

Originally Posted by Anne

You know as well as anybody that going after sexist stuff is the first thing people go to when they wanna flame a girl.

That doesn't make it any less problematic, though. The "everyone flames everyone else; you just get sexist / racist comments because you're a girl / black" is older than dirt and worth about as much.

Originally Posted by Anne

I've seen more dudes get flamed in non sexist ways for picking that character than the other way around.

Sure, but how much of that is simply because there are more dudes playing the game?
SoulUnison
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(07-18-2017, 12:08 AM)
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People HATE Symmetra.

I get more toxic interactions as Sym than any other character, but I love her.
She's like playing an RTS character. Damage and kills become a factor of time and proximity rather than accuracy, letting her flank, surprise, and make excellent use of her projected shield to chase down backpedaling players with impunity.

Add the sentry turrets and the Teleporter/Shield Matrix and you have a real winner.
Skyball Paint
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(07-18-2017, 12:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Currygan

Never seen much Mercy hate compared to Junkrat, Hanzo or Orisa, who get almost constantly shat on from every member, enemy or teammate

People are like "Remember to thank your healers!" And I'm like no, thank your Hanzo after he gets 3 kills in the first team win and allows you to capture first point in the first minute, after putting up with your shit during Hero Select.
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(07-18-2017, 12:41 AM)
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I love mercy mains. It means I can stick to my beloved DPS and let someone else play support.
Blues1990
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(07-18-2017, 12:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Skyball Paint

People are like "Remember to thank your healers!" And I'm like no, thank your Hanzo after he gets 3 kills in the first team win and allows you to capture first point in the first minute, after putting up with your shit during Hero Select.

It's a similar deal for me. I will vote for the player that did a great job, regardless of which team they are on.
Liseda
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(07-18-2017, 12:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by 17 Seconds

what a sad reason to hate someone, and you even bolded it for me

Sorry, I'm not going to enjoy playing with people that don't actively try to win games and limiting yourself to just one character is not how you do it.

The game has a ranked mode for a reason, if you can't play more than one character you should stick to quick play until you can.
DizzyCaffeine
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(07-18-2017, 02:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Liseda

Sorry, I'm not going to enjoy playing with people that don't actively try to win games and limiting yourself to just one character is not how you do it.

The game has a ranked mode for a reason, if you can't play more than one character you should stick to quick play until you can.

No, thanks. I will continue to play whatever mode I want with just Mercy.
AlexFlame116
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(07-18-2017, 02:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Liseda

Indeed, I don't get this mentality.

What's the point of playing a game if you just keep to the exact same hero every single game?

How are you supposed to be any good at the game if you just stick to one hero?

So yes, I do hate people who "main" heroes.

They are pretty much just one-trick ponies, they become 100% fucking useless in your game most of the time.

My gosh...
crabhammer
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(07-18-2017, 05:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by DizzyCaffeine

No, thanks. I will continue to play whatever mode I want with just Mercy.

While this is more or less fine since Mercy is a pretty good character for ladder, this mentality is pretty toxic to the health of competitive Overwatch. I respect your right to do what you want with your time, but you should understand that it is frustrating for other people to have their time wasted. Some characters in this game do have hard counters and when they are countered effectively then they are dead weight that the rest of the team has to try and make up for.
Ramirez
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(07-18-2017, 05:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by DizzyCaffeine

No, thanks. I will continue to play whatever mode I want with just Mercy.

You're free to do as you please, but this attitude to me is just as toxic as people who throw on purpose. Sometimes, another character is needed, a complete unwillingness to switch is a shit attitude to bring into competitive.
BNGames
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(07-18-2017, 06:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by DR2K

I'd love her to be retooled to use Rez less and her pistol more. Since the game really doesn't let you play attack Mercy

Pistol is used alot if you try

MY Examples:

A. https://youtu.be/Gu1DQd0DKHQ

B. https://youtu.be/eH1Nyg8b1YQ

C. https://youtu.be/OYH_J9DiyeE

D. https://youtu.be/2ERC41-xdq4

Yes I do alot of tea bagging, im sure your all going to ding me for it. Alot of these are people who were talking shit and got shut down by the so-called lowskill character.

People who say Mercy takes no skill or is a low skill character are clueless or trolls. Yea go and get yourself fucked again Genji on your own, nice low hit percentage Hanzo your really making an effort, etc etc I can flame every character six ways from sunday too but i don't.


If your one of those people who thinks its all Left click and Q as a Mercy Main, your the problem with Overwatch as a community.
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(07-18-2017, 06:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Liseda

Indeed, I don't get this mentality.

What's the point of playing a game if you just keep to the exact same hero every single game?

How are you supposed to be any good at the game if you just stick to one hero?

So yes, I do hate people who "main" heroes.

They are pretty much just one-trick ponies, they become 100% fucking useless in your game most of the time.

I understand this post. I don't think maining heroes in a game where switching heroes is core to the gameplay. But in a casual setting, I stick to reaper lol. People get too cocky and upset if you tell them to switch from their main because the situation doesn't call for them. Overwatch is all about switching heroes.
DizzyCaffeine
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(07-18-2017, 06:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by crabhammer

While this is more or less fine since Mercy is a pretty good character for ladder, this mentality is pretty toxic to the health of competitive Overwatch. I respect your right to do what you want with your time, but you should understand that it is frustrating for other people to have their time wasted. Some characters in this game do have hard counters and when they are countered effectively then they are dead weight that the rest of the team has to try and make up for.

Originally Posted by Ramirez

You're free to do as you please, but this attitude to me is just as toxic as people who throw on purpose. Sometimes, another character is needed, a complete unwillingness to switch is a shit attitude to bring into competitive.

No, it is not "toxic" to play a support character, spend every second of every match either healing or rezzing, and literally never saying anything bad to anyone else.

You both cheapen the word "toxic" when you say that.

And frankly, you don't get to control the best character for everyone to play, just like I can't control when you play like shit.
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jviggy43
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(07-18-2017, 06:13 AM)

Originally Posted by BNGames

Pistol is used alot if you try

MY Examples:

A. https://youtu.be/Gu1DQd0DKHQ

B. https://youtu.be/eH1Nyg8b1YQ

C. https://youtu.be/OYH_J9DiyeE

D. https://youtu.be/2ERC41-xdq4

Yes I do alot of tea bagging, im sure your all going to ding me for it. Alot of these are people who were talking shit and got shut down by the so-called lowskill character.

People who say Mercy takes no skill or is a low skill character are clueless or trolls. Yea go and get yourself fucked again Genji on your own, nice low hit percentage Hanzo your really making an effort, etc etc I can flame every character six ways from sunday too but i don't.


If your one of those people who thinks its all Left click and Q as a Mercy Main, your the problem with Overwatch as a community.

If youre using battle Mercy you aren't doing your job 99% of the time. And yes, she is a low skill hero, and theres nothing wrong with that. She just also happens to be a low skill hero who is incredibly efficient at support and ostensibly can be used to get around SR losses/gains.
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Armaros
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(07-18-2017, 06:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by DizzyCaffeine

No, it is not "toxic" to play a support character, spend every second of every match either healing or rezzing, and literally never saying anything bad to anyone else.

You both cheapen the word "toxic" when you say that.

And frankly, you don't get to control the best character for everyone to play, just like I can't control when you play like shit.

So what do you do when someone else picks mercy first?
RockmanBN
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(07-18-2017, 06:42 AM)
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Is it toxic to play random characters even when they are not optimal for the type of game you're on? Got a bunch of hate messages for playing Sombra, Orisa, or Torbjorn. I just like playing random characters for fun with my friends.
Ramirez
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(07-18-2017, 07:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by DizzyCaffeine

No, it is not "toxic" to play a support character, spend every second of every match either healing or rezzing, and literally never saying anything bad to anyone else.

You both cheapen the word "toxic" when you say that.

And frankly, you don't get to control the best character for everyone to play, just like I can't control when you play like shit.

If Mercy was a bad character, and yet that's still the only character you would play, yes that's a shitty ass attitude that hampers others enjoyment.

That's why Mercy is hated right now, because there's a ton of one tricks in comp ruining the fun of everyone else because they cannot play any character but Mercy at the rank they're at. We can blame that partially on Blizzard's shit ranking system, but the fault belongs some what to players not learning more than one character in a game that demands you to adapt on the fly in a match.

Originally Posted by RockmanBN

Is it toxic to play random characters even when they are not optimal for the type of game you're on? Got a bunch of hate messages for playing Sombra, Orisa, or Torbjorn. I just like playing random characters for fun with my friends.

Is it toxic in the sense you're hurling insults? No. But if a hero isn't working and you refuse to switch, then yea, you're contributing to a miserable experience for the other 5 people. If it's QP, then go for it, but people who have the attitude of "fuck you, I'm doing me" in comp are just as bad as any thrower in my opinion.
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StrongBlackVine
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(07-18-2017, 07:20 AM)
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I suck at competitive FPS and don't really like them so when I do play Overwatch occasionally I main Mercy and I have not had any hate directed at me. But I never received any hate online at all so maybe I'm just lucky...
Fixed2BeBroken
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(07-18-2017, 07:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by jviggy43

If youre using battle Mercy you aren't doing your job 99% of the time. And yes, she is a low skill hero, and theres nothing wrong with that. She just also happens to be a low skill hero who is incredibly efficient at support and ostensibly can be used to get around SR losses/gains.

Good mercy players know when to swap to battle mercy and swap back to heals.

her gun is actually really strong.
RockmanBN
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(07-18-2017, 07:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ramirez

Is it toxic in the sense you're hurling insults? No. But if a hero isn't working and you refuse to switch, then yea, you're contributing to a miserable experience for the other 5 people. If it's QP, then go for it, but people who have the attitude of "fuck you, I'm doing me" in comp are just as bad as any thrower in my opinion.

Never do comp. It's always been quick play and 3v3 Arcade (I assume people want the weekly lootbox). Don't see the problem when it's not a competitive mode and I just want to blow some time with friends doing quirky things in games.
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If someone hates Mercy it's because:

a) People don't like enemy healers
b) People don't like healers on their team if they don't heal them
c) If the healer heals people on their team, nobody notices because they're doing such a good job
jviggy43
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(07-18-2017, 07:57 AM)

Originally Posted by Fixed2BeBroken

Good mercy players know when to swap to battle mercy and swap back to heals.

her gun is actually really strong.

Again that's about 1 percent of the time. It doesn't matter that her gun can do a surprising amount of damage when your role on the team is to heal. And if no one needs healing, damage buff your dps rather than shoot because 1. That's their job 2. They're much better suited for and most importantly 3. Damage boost charges both you and the person you're charging ults much faster: all of which is significantly more important to your team than getting in a few shots that looks cool.

Good mercy players nearly never use pistol.
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Ramirez
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(07-18-2017, 08:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by RockmanBN

Never do comp. It's always been quick play and 3v3 Arcade (I assume people want the weekly lootbox). Don't see the problem when it's not a competitive mode and I just want to blow some time with friends doing quirky things in games.

Yea, I mean I have zero problem with people doing whatever they want outside of comp. But if you're in comp, you should be selecting the best pick for the team, and at least have 2-3 heroes you're comfortable with.
AkimbO_Arcana
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(07-18-2017, 08:25 AM)
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I never ran into Mercy hate when playing the game. She's is my second most played character after Lucio.
I like her design and her role in game. Everyone seems happy when someone pics her, to the point where I have to defend myself when picking another healer like Lucio or Ana, which is a bit annoying.
They are pretty good at healing too, if the player knows what he/she's doing.
crabhammer
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(07-18-2017, 04:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by DizzyCaffeine

No, it is not "toxic" to play a support character, spend every second of every match either healing or rezzing, and literally never saying anything bad to anyone else.

You both cheapen the word "toxic" when you say that.

And frankly, you don't get to control the best character for everyone to play, just like I can't control when you play like shit.

It is absolutely toxic to refuse to work with your team when something you're doing isnt working out. Like I said, though, Mercy skirts this issue by being a pretty solid character on the ladder, and doesn't really have a hard counter. There was a time, though, where Mercy was not great in comp 100% of the time and if you refused to swap to Ana or Lucio in bad situations then you were making it harder on your team than it needed to be.

Again, There are characters in this game with hard counters and when you're getting hard countered you should swap, or talk about a swap with your team.

I want to stress here that this isn't a case of me blaming my teams for losses. I know that's an ego problem in comp, and it's toxic as fuck as well. I just don't think people put enough thought into character swapping in a game where it is often necessary.

Originally Posted by jviggy43

If youre using battle Mercy you aren't doing your job 99% of the time. And yes, she is a low skill hero, and theres nothing wrong with that. She just also happens to be a low skill hero who is incredibly efficient at support and ostensibly can be used to get around SR losses/gains.

I'd call Mercy a low TECHNICAL skill hero. Continuing to call her a low skill hero isn't doing anyone any favors here. The skills that a person who is going to main mercy need to develop are more game sense related than aim related. You need to use your far backline position to your advantage and make calls, sometimes for people.

Example:

"Hey can someone help our soldier, he's got a genji jumping all around him"

"Hey I see a reaper approaching from the left, he's probably gonna try to flank around the building, let's pull back and take care of that"

"hey, I have res, so their mercy probably also has res. We need to take her out first"

"It's been a while since we've heard graviton surge or missile barrage, let's be on the lookout for that, dva try to keep your defense matrix in Zarya's face"

Stuff like that. And if youre a mercy main who isn't doing this or isn't willing to do this then you aren't playing the character to it's full potential and you should work on that.

Originally Posted by RockmanBN

Is it toxic to play random characters even when they are not optimal for the type of game you're on? Got a bunch of hate messages for playing Sombra, Orisa, or Torbjorn. I just like playing random characters for fun with my friends.

Only if you're in comp and it's not working out. People catch flack at the beginning of games for locking in on Sombra or Torbjorn and that's fucking ridiculous. I'll always give people a chance on their shit before even suggesting we rethink our team comp (unless we start out with no tanks or healers or something).

Obviously no one should care what you do in any of the other game modes.
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BNGames
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Originally Posted by jviggy43

If youre using battle Mercy you aren't doing your job 99% of the time. And yes, she is a low skill hero, and theres nothing wrong with that. She just also happens to be a low skill hero who is incredibly efficient at support and ostensibly can be used to get around SR losses/gains.

"Aren't doing your job"? Shows how ignorant you are to the character and how she is played at a high level.
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Originally Posted by BNGames

"Aren't doing your job"? Shows how ignorant you are to the character and how she is played at a high level.

Her healing staff is better then her pistol 98% of the time, she should only use pistol if her teammates are dead or far away from her. You're better off damage boosting a teammate if you want to do damage, and switching from pistol to staff takes away a lot of time that you could use to heal your teammates. Combat Mercy might work in gold rank, but it's not something you should be attempting if you want to be playing Mercy optimally.
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Originally Posted by benzopil

Well I never play ranked on Saturday and Sunday because it's always a shitshow.

I do the same thing lol.
BNGames
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Originally Posted by Nickle

Her healing staff is better then her pistol 98% of the time, she should only use pistol if her teammates are dead or far away from her. You're better off damage boosting a teammate if you want to do damage, and switching from pistol to staff takes away a lot of time that you could use to heal your teammates. Combat Mercy might work in gold rank, but it's not something you should be attempting if you want to be playing Mercy optimally.

Battle Mercy works just fine in Plat, I should know. Only a few points shy of Diamond last season, not bad for someone who solo's and doesn't get to play that often because of his Career. Just the little bit ive played this season im averaging over 11k healing per match

I had alot more time last season and did really well even being combative

Proof: https://masteroverwatch.com/profile/...-1124/season/4

As far as Staff, im well aware healing is what she's all about but if your clearly in an advantageous position, like being behind Rein's shield you SHOULD be using your pistol if everyone is stable. Her Pistol does a TON of damage, and due to its low velocity I find scatter shotting helps get alot of kills on enemies already low on damage from a distance.

Also, most of the time people don't protect Mercy. Ive had too many matches to count where im the target and NO ONE is trying to prevent it from happening so I have to take matters into my own hands. This video I did shows plenty of those situations.

There seems to be this assumption amongst Overwatch players that Mercy should be in the back, far far away and that its all about left clicking and thats it. That is completely false, and I prove that time and time again.
Berserking Guts
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Landing those combat mercy headshots on squishies is the most satisfying feeling in the game. It's got a pretty low shot per sec, but when they connect they hurt.
Akuun
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I do like playing Mercy in competitive and I don't think I've gotten too much hate for it. I've gotten some backseating and condescension, but usually those are from the sort of people who constantly blame others.

I can switch to Soldier if someone else wants Mercy, and that's fine by me. It's just that people tend to instalock Soldier a lot more readily than Mercy.

Mercy's gun is actually quite good at times. There are plenty of situations where snapping off a few shots yourself is actually better than damage boosting or healing, especially in a pub game where you don't know or trust your teammates. Someone calls out a low-health target who's running away? I've pulled out the gun and helped pick the guy off before. Ulting Pharah? You're not outhealing that and you can't trust other people to fire at her, so pull out the gun to kill her more quickly before you res. Ulting Mei? Top off frozen targets if that will save them from follow-up icicles, kill Mei while she's distracted, then res. Everyone's topped off and there are no viable damage boost targets you trust? You could help lay down some cover fire.

I'm not saying you should go battle Mercy and go 1v1 people while ignoring your healing duties, but there are times when pulling out the gun can be very effective. Hell, the job lends itself well to hot swapping, because of the gun's free reload when you're in staff mode.

A lot of people also simply don't see the enemy Mercy as a threat at all, which leads to them exposing themselves to her positionally. That lets you get in quite a bit of damage on them unexpectedly if you decide to do so.
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(07-20-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by BNGames

Battle Mercy works just fine in Plat, I should know. Only a few points shy of Diamond last season, not bad for someone who solo's and doesn't get to play that often because of his Career. Just the little bit ive played this season im averaging over 11k healing per match

I had alot more time last season and did really well even being combative

Proof: https://masteroverwatch.com/profile/...-1124/season/4

As far as Staff, im well aware healing is what she's all about but if your clearly in an advantageous position, like being behind Rein's shield you SHOULD be using your pistol if everyone is stable. Her Pistol does a TON of damage, and due to its low velocity I find scatter shotting helps get alot of kills on enemies already low on damage from a distance.

Also, most of the time people don't protect Mercy. Ive had too many matches to count where im the target and NO ONE is trying to prevent it from happening so I have to take matters into my own hands. This video I did shows plenty of those situations.

There seems to be this assumption amongst Overwatch players that Mercy should be in the back, far far away and that its all about left clicking and thats it. That is completely false, and I prove that time and time again.

In most cases, you can do more damage as Mercy with your pistol then with the damage boost (providing you actually hit most of your shots, which is difficult). But even if you do hit most of your shots, during that time you aren't healing your teammates, and you are in clear view of the enemy. You don't want to be out in the open, surviving is your number 1 priority because of how important rez is.

You are better off damage boosting your dps, it helps them build ult faster, and you can switch back to healing instantly. Mercy doesn't need the pistol shots to build her rez, she builds it incredibly quickly just by healing.

You can do whatever you want with Mercy, I'm just saying that aggro isn't the optimal playstyle for her.
Albino_Yeti
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I haven't met people who hate Mercy, but even if they do, is this article really trying to blame it on misogyny?

Ana, Tracer, and Pharah are some of the most used and most beloved characters in the game. D-Va is pretty popular too. I don't buy the misogyny argument at all.

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