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Takao
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(07-17-2017, 10:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by aadiboy

How much did FFX/X-2 sell on PS4 alone though? We have to compare apples to apples.

X|X-2 on PS4 was a late port, so it sold like 50k LTD. I don't see how that's really comparable to the first re-release of a mainline Final Fantasy.
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(07-17-2017, 10:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mpl90

Media Create published the total software sold up to Week 25, 2017, so I have to take MC known numbers per game as a starting point at least. My analysis still includes a non-mixed-tracker look at numbers, based on the ones we actually know.

Isnt the total software number for all platforms combined? Or do they split things up by platform?
cw_sasuke
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(07-17-2017, 10:40 AM)
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Its funny how SE sold 1m FF3 and +600k FF4 on DS units but stopped remaking games because apparently they werent happy with those numbers.

Porting the PSOne era FFs to the DS or even 3DS could have made them some easy money...but for some reason they dont wanna put those post FF6 mainline games on Nintendo systems.
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(07-17-2017, 10:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

Porting the PSOne era FFs to the DS

Lol.
Bruno MB
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(07-17-2017, 10:44 AM)
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There was never a Final Fantasy V because they thought there would be another considerable drop between entries, especially with Final Fantasy V being less popular than IV.

Final Fantasy IV had an even bigger drop in the West than in Japan. From over 2 million worldwide with Final Fantasy III to barely 1 million.
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(07-17-2017, 10:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

Lol.

Incoming FF7 remake for 3ds lol.
Napalm_Frank
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(07-17-2017, 10:47 AM)
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JP has good taste for ignoring trash like XII 👌
cw_sasuke
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(07-17-2017, 10:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bruno MB

There was never a Final Fantasy V because they thought there would be another considerable drop between entries, especially with Final Fantasy V being less popular than IV.

Final Fantasy IV had an even bigger drop in the West than in Japan. From over 2 million worldwide with Final Fantasy III to barely 1 million.

FFIV while a classic has been remade a bunch of times already...even with the drop it was a million seller - at the end its all about expectations.

I still think SE playing hard to get with those post FF6 remasters/remakes is weird. I get why the Xbox One doesnt get the latest jRPGs but a classic like FF7 would sell even on Xbox. Just weird seeing them limiting their audience for no reason with these remasters.
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(07-17-2017, 10:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bruno MB

There was never a Final Fantasy V because they thought there would be another considerable drop between entries, especially with Final Fantasy V being less popular than IV.

Final Fantasy IV had an even bigger drop in the West than in Japan. From over 2 million worldwide with Final Fantasy III to barely 1 million.

I think it is rather because nobody from the old teams could/wanted/had time to work on the said remakes. 3 and 4 DS had one of the core member from the original games working on the remakes. This is how SE used to work back then. 5 was more popular than 4 in Japan btw. I think it was the first FF to break the 2 millions mark actually.
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(07-17-2017, 10:56 AM)
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I can assume SE will someday remake their classic FFs. FFVI is well poised to be remade someday although the whole FFVII situation is likely going to put a nail in the coffin for ambitious remakes and FF3-4 type remakes won't work now.
Oregano
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(07-17-2017, 11:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by DarkLordMalik

I can assume SE will someday remake their classic FFs. FFVI is well poised to be remade someday although the whole FFVII situation is likely going to put a nail in the coffin for ambitious remakes and FF3-4 type remakes won't work now.

I don't think any other game could justify a remake on the FFVII level. If they can't get away with lower budget remakes then they're not happening.

They could have easily got away with an FFV remake on the Bravely engine though IMO.
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(07-17-2017, 11:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by mickagau33

I think it is rather because nobody from the old teams could/wanted/had time to work on the said remakes. 3 and 4 DS had one of the core member from the original games working on the remakes. This is how SE used to work back then. 5 was more popular than 4 in Japan btw. I think it was the first FF to break the 2 millions mark actually.

Ito is free. Stop lying... let him out of the dungeon! :(
Fisico
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(07-17-2017, 12:02 PM)
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PREDICTION LEAGUE DRAGON QUEST XI EDITION

Predict how much these titles will sell in the week (from Jul 24 to Jul 30):

[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware (7 days) - 86.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware (7 days) - 92.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI (2 days) - 834.567
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI (2 days) - 1.165.432
Sammy Samusu
(07-17-2017, 12:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

Its funny how SE sold 1m FF3 and +600k FF4 on DS units but stopped remaking games because apparently they werent happy with those numbers.

Porting the PSOne era FFs to the DS or even 3DS could have made them some easy money...but for some reason they dont wanna put those post FF6 mainline games on Nintendo systems.

Remakes are one way to populate a platform with fans of the series, much like spin offs. Needless to say, the future of Final Fantasy is on Playstation not on Nintendo.

Oh well. At least we are getting Bravely and Octopath. I'll take original games over remakes anyday.
cw_sasuke
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(07-17-2017, 12:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sammy Samusu

Remakes are one way to populate a platform with fans of the series, much like spin offs. Needless to say, the future of Final Fantasy is on Playstation not on Nintendo.

Oh well. At least we are getting Bravely and Octopath. I'll take original games over remakes anyday.

Remakes just like everything else are here to make money. PS being the focus for FF or in general any big 3rdParty title is common sense - this doesnt mean they should just leave money on the table.

Ill be following there Switch announcements....they have to break the curse at some point. 3DS had the userbase but technical limitations, WiiU didnt have the Userbase....if they skip releasing post FFVI main titles on Switch as well it will never happen.
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(07-17-2017, 01:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Oregano

In the article about the western preorders the NIS dood says it sold less than 20k in Japan which would imply its at least above 10k.

He says "sell-in", which is shipments.
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(07-17-2017, 02:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

He says "sell-in", which is shipments.

Oh, you are correct. Doesn't tell us much we don't already know.
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(07-17-2017, 03:38 PM)
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We're still with Disgaea bombed when it will be over 20k sell-through by the end of the year...
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casiopao
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(07-17-2017, 03:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by hiska-kun

We still with Disgaea bombed when it will be over 20k sell-through by the end of the year...

I kinda think Disgaea is more or less dead in JP. I am more interested with NIS new IP in the future to see if they can do better than Disgaea anymore.^^
AniHawk
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(07-17-2017, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kresnik258

Well I mean, Nippon Ichi's last game was Exile Election, a somewhat DanganRonpa clone that appears to have been solely targeted at the Japanese market given how NISA have been incredibly wary of localizing any visual novels.

We may see a shift given how they're becoming increasingly reliant on the west, but it certainly seems like the Japanese branch are still happy trying (and failing) to cater to the domestic market.

the only ones i think could/should have come over were utapri and special report division. utapri because the otome market is a thing and it was a thing on handhelds (and it's one of the more well known franchises in the genre), and special report division because it was an early standalone visual novel game for vita that was apparently okay. everything else though stems from bad platform positioning on nis's side to bad franchise management on nisa's side. nis should have been focusing on ps4 and switch a lot earlier, and nisa should have done a better job at bringing over previous visual novel games on platforms where they would have done well. i think not getting shin hayaragami is at least partially linked to not having the ds/psp hayaragami games as a base when visual novel series were becoming established in the western marketplace. launching a new franchise in 2015 on the ps3 and vita would have been risky and doing the sequel to that game on the ps4 and vita two years later would have made no sense. but if it was a part of a long line of games it would have been a lot easier to greenlight.
casiopao
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(07-17-2017, 04:36 PM)
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New Splatoon anime is coming.O_O And Switch is still in fire.T_T
Chris1964
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(07-17-2017, 04:37 PM)

Originally Posted by hiska-kun

We still with Disgaea bombed when it will be over 20k sell-through by the end of the year...

Well, it's the game that its performance alone determined Switch third party support forever.
saichi
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(07-17-2017, 05:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Principate

Hey it's not as bad a real lottery. You just don't win any money....

Higher chance to win in order to spend money!
Shizuka
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(07-17-2017, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

My core contention here would be that I feel people look at games from Japanese publishers, especially smaller Japanese publishers, and assume they're targeting and/or living off of Japan. I think that's notably incorrect.

Let's just look at Nippon Ichi's last game for example.

Disgaea 5 Complete shipped shipped less than 20K in Japan, and the last it charted well enough for us to get sales numbers, it had sold 5000 copies.

By comparison, Western pre-orders alone were over 110,000 copies.

This isn't a company living off of 5K sellers in Japan. It's a company living off of overseas sales.

Whether Nippon Ichi likes it or not, their primary target audience is the West now.

Similarly, the reason it doesn't really matter what they did with Hakoniwa in Japan is that no one in Japan wants their dedicated device games, full stop. Could they have got another 5K releasing it on Switch at the same time? Sure, maybe, but it's irrelevant, because it's a meaningless difference in terms of floating the company. Given how badly their last Switch game did in the region, who knows if Japanese retailers even wanted to order Switch copies of the thing, since they're still stuck with a mountain of Disgaea.

I at least totally get the amount of scrutinization surrounding Monster Hunter. That's a series that actually sells overwhelming in Japan. Similarly I could get Nihon Falcom, as they still sell a good chunk of their business domestically. I could even get Final Fantasy, since while 1 out of 6+ million is a pretty small chunk percentage wise, it's at least a large absolute number. But Nippon Ichi's Japanese releases? They're just not relevant. It's the same situation as all the fighting games just announced at EVO. These things exist for the overseas market and don't move enough at home to even be worth announcing in Japan first despite all these companies hailing from there.

That's what doesn't make sense, they're still developing and publishing games that don't make sense in Japan and/or Japan. They're bringing a Ryukishi07 visual novel to the PS4 and Vita, but NISA will probably skip it. Why bother with the PS4 release? Same for Exile's Election, although I still believe it'll be announced for the West after Danganronpa V3 is out.

They don't make the most sound choices and even AniHawk mentioned in the past that most decisions made by NIS aren't made with the West in mind, IIRC.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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(07-17-2017, 07:06 PM)
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PREDICTION LEAGUE DRAGON QUEST XI EDITION

Predict how much these titles will sell in the week (from Jul 24 to Jul 30):

[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware (7 days) - 85.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware (7 days) - 103.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI (2 days) - 850.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI (2 days) - 1.350.000
Oregano
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(07-17-2017, 07:32 PM)
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Huh, interesting quote from the director of the BlazBlue games in an interview with Red Bull:

"As far as announcements go, I unfortunately can't say much today," says Mori, "but what I will say is that with the introduction of fun competitive games like Arms, I do believe fighting games can definitely find a home on the Switch. Stay tuned!"

I think that's the first time in a long time that a developer of a core third party franchise has talked about a Nintendo IP laying groundwork for them.

The whole interview is really interesting. Someone else can make a thread if they want, I'm about to eat.

Maybe he should let the DBFZ team know lol
LordKano
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(07-17-2017, 07:36 PM)
I think there was already a thread about that. I'm pretty sure that I've read it from somewhere here at least.

I'm confident that BlazBlue Tag is the Switch game he's mentioning.
Chris1964
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(07-17-2017, 07:38 PM)
NIS has many games published with target a specific niche Japanese audience. They don't develop everything with West in mind. Disgaea must be the only franchise that does some respectable numbers worldwide and even that saw a decline at every region with 5. If it wasn't the late Switch port to recover lost western sales there would be a big drop comparing to 3 and 4.
cw_sasuke
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(07-17-2017, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Oregano

Huh, interesting quote from the director of the BlazBlue games in an interview with Red Bull:


I think that's the first time in a long time that a developer of a core third party franchise has talked about a Nintendo IP laying groundwork for them.

The whole interview is really interesting. Someone else can make a thread if they want, I'm about to eat.

Maybe he should let the DBFZ team know lol

I mean Switch will have USF2, ARMS, Pokken DX, XV2 in its first couple months out in addition to the Indie/NeoGeo classics. We also know that Smash will be likely a factor for next year - makes sense that other devs in that genre are looking to bring their games to Switch as well.
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(07-17-2017, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mpl90

Hopefully the people who think so don't look at what's going on with Nights of Azure 2 on Amazon.com :P



That was also back in mid-May, while Week 25 (the reference I'm using) ended on June 25th, 2017. So Disgaea 5 moved a bit more units (even if slowly).

Nights of azure 2 switch version selling high or something?
Oemenia
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(07-17-2017, 07:49 PM)
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Ouch at FFXII, even Type-0 did better than that.
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(07-17-2017, 07:50 PM)

Originally Posted by LordKano

I think there was already a thread about that. I'm pretty sure that I've read it from somewhere here at least.

I'm confident that BlazBlue Tag is the Switch game he's mentioning.

I feel that ASW will pull a Bamco bait and switch.(pun intended)
Oregano
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(07-17-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordKano

I think there was already a thread about that. I'm pretty sure that I've read it from somewhere here at least.

I'm confident that BlazBlue Tag is the Switch game he's mentioning.

Huh, I must have missed it then.

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

I mean Switch will have USF2, ARMS, Pokken DX, XV2 in its first couple months out in addition to the Indie/NeoGeo classics. We also know that Smash will be likely a factor for next year - makes sense that other devs in that genre are looking to bring their games to Switch as well.

It'does make sense but it's still unusual for developers to even acknowledge Nintendo games as part of their genre. I really can't even think of the last time it has happened.
Chris1964
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(07-17-2017, 09:03 PM)
National holiday today in Japan and there were Switch restocks.
Ray Down
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(07-17-2017, 09:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Oemenia

Ouch at FFXII, even Type-0 did better than that.

Hell just compare it to the past FF HD collection.
OfficerRaichu15
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(07-17-2017, 09:23 PM)
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With the review embargo ending tomorrow for Splatoon 2 would that have a chance to help its sales if the reviews are positive?
Xbro
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(07-17-2017, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by OfficerRaichu15

With the review embargo ending tomorrow for Splatoon 2 would that have a chance to help its sales if the reviews are positive?

I don't think this is a game that people are waiting on reviews for.
frankie_baby
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(07-17-2017, 09:24 PM)

Originally Posted by OfficerRaichu15

With the review embargo ending tomorrow for Splatoon 2 would that have a chance to help its sales if the reviews are positive?

As long as they arent terrible i doubt it'd make any difference
Zedark
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(07-17-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by OfficerRaichu15

With the review embargo ending tomorrow for Splatoon 2 would that have a chance to help its sales if the reviews are positive?

Not at this early stage at least - all signs point towards Splatoon 2 saturating the current userbase rather quickly already. It could help in the long run to maintain interest at a high level, but I think the content updates are more important than the reviews in that regard tbh.
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Originally Posted by OfficerRaichu15

With the review embargo ending tomorrow for Splatoon 2 would that have a chance to help its sales if the reviews are positive?

Honest question, do Japanese people follow Western reviews, or do you just mean Famitsu and 4Gamer?

I could be mistaken, but I wasn't under the impression there were a lot of game review outlets in Japan.
foxuzamaki
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(07-17-2017, 09:29 PM)
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So I just got off work and was scrolling YouTube only to see that gamesxplain said that a splatoon anime had been announced
Aostia
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(07-17-2017, 09:34 PM)
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Yes splatoon anime got announced. I wonder if they will localized it.

About reviews: apart from the unusual voice chat mobile app I struggle to see anything to comain about my review code. Apart that "it is a port not a sequel" mantra from few months ago. Of course.

About Blazblue I have recently discovered that a game under that brand has actually been confirmed for swith since January
Still no detail but I think they will announce it around TGS
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(07-17-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aostia

About Blazblue I have recently discovered that a game under that brand has actually been confirmed for swith since January
Still no detail but I think they will announce it around TGS

You mean the infographic with Tales and Blazblue on it? In that case, it could be that crossover game with Persona. The director (I believe) said that they are very much looking into releasing a Blazblue fighting game on Switch.
Chris1964
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(07-17-2017, 10:02 PM)
From what some retailers blogs mentioned except from today's restock there will be a major one at Friday. There is no additional info for weekend and what Nintendo will ship then.
Mpl90
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(07-18-2017, 12:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Oregano

Huh, interesting quote from the director of the BlazBlue games in an interview with Red Bull:


I think that's the first time in a long time that a developer of a core third party franchise has talked about a Nintendo IP laying groundwork for them.

The whole interview is really interesting. Someone else can make a thread if they want, I'm about to eat.

Maybe he should let the DBFZ team know lol


As for everyone's favorite Grimalkin, Jubei and the possibility for his appearance as a playable fighter? "I know, I know! I've heard this before! All I can say is that we know the fans are interested. I'm sorry I can't announce anything today, but please, please stand by!"

Yes, this interview was not long before EVO's announcements (which included Jubei joining the playable roster of Central Fiction as well). Mori seems skilled at hiding stuff as much as possible :P

Anyway, if we can interpret his words as ASW already working on a BlazBlue game on Switch, then I suppose the cross-over has good chances at hitting the platform. However, it's also possible the first game releasing (at least) is a revised version of Central Fiction (Central Fiction Extend), including Jubei from the get go plus additional side content (correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no portable version of Central Fiction, contrary to all the other Blazblue games).

EDIT: Actually, what were the differencies between normal and Extend versions of BlazBlue games in the past? I'm wondering if there's enough content to start from that would justify an expanded version's release at the current state.

Originally Posted by Vena

What's going on with Nights of Azure 2? I'm confused lol.

Just a bit of fun and NOA2's Switch > NOA2's PS4 on Amazon.com. Both quite low though :P
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Vena
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(07-18-2017, 12:07 AM)
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What's going on with Nights of Azure 2? I'm confused lol.
schuelma
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(07-18-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Any word on how many Splatoon 2 bundles are going to be out there?
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(07-18-2017, 12:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mpl90

Yes, this interview was not long before EVO's announcements (which included Jubei joining the playable roster of Central Fiction as well). Mori seems skilled at hiding stuff as much as possible :P

Anyway, if we can interpret his words as ASW already working on a BlazBlue game on Switch, then I suppose the cross-over has good chances at hitting the platform. However, it's also possible the first game releasing (at least) is a revised version of Central Fiction (Central Fiction Extend), including Jubei from the get go plus additional side content (correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no portable version of Central Fiction, contrary to all the other Blazblue games).

EDIT: Actually, what were the differencies between normal and Extend versions of BlazBlue games in the past? I'm wondering if there's enough content to start from that would justify an expanded version's release at the current state.



Just a bit of fun and NOA2's Switch > NOA2's PS4 on Amazon.com. Both quite low though :P

I have no doubt a Blazblue title is happening.
https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/...75571848609792

https://shoryuken.com/2017/01/12/a-b...ntendo-switch/

If they make a new extend or bring over tag battle, I dunno, but I know want both.
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Originally Posted by Vena

What's going on with Nights of Azure 2? I'm confused lol.

What's confusing about it? Yoru no nai Kuni 2 comes out August 31st on Switch as planned.
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(07-18-2017, 01:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mpl90

Yes, this interview was not long before EVO's announcements (which included Jubei joining the playable roster of Central Fiction as well). Mori seems skilled at hiding stuff as much as possible :P

Anyway, if we can interpret his words as ASW already working on a BlazBlue game on Switch, then I suppose the cross-over has good chances at hitting the platform. However, it's also possible the first game releasing (at least) is a revised version of Central Fiction (Central Fiction Extend), including Jubei from the get go plus additional side content (correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no portable version of Central Fiction, contrary to all the other Blazblue games).

EDIT: Actually, what were the differencies between normal and Extend versions of BlazBlue games in the past? I'm wondering if there's enough content to start from that would justify an expanded version's release at the current state.

I'd think it's more likely for BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle to be coming to Switch.

I doubt it's going to be an Extend version of Central Fiction when they said there isn't going to be one, unless there's a bait and switch.

http://gematsu.com/2016/10/blazblue-...-fighting-game

The latest issue of Weekly Famitsu has an interview with BlazBlue series creator Toshimichi Mori, who reveals that his next title will be completely unrelated to the series, and is rather something entirely new and not even a fighting game.

Regarding BlazBlue: Central Fiction—which launches this Thursday, October 6 in Japan, November 1 in North America, and November 4 in Europe—Mori said that there will not be an “Extend” version, as the game already has enough content to last for a lengthy amount of time. He also said that he wants to do balance adjustments sooner or later, as well as add new characters if there is demand for it. Regarding a sequel, he said that he thinks you’ll understand if you play the story mode. Es, Naoto, Hazama, and Relius say significant things.

If Mori were to make another fighting game in the future, he said that he would like to make something that upsets the balance of what we know about fighting games.

The Famitsu article is from October of last year, EVO would have been the perfect time to announce an Extend version, instead it was DLC for Jubei as highlighted in the article which is a highly demanded character.

Edit: and going back to the article here from red bull:

In regards to future developments in the franchise, Mori had one thing he absolutely wanted to make clear. "I know I've said this many times, but one thing I want to make sure I let fans know is that the story of BlazBlue isn't over. While Ragna's saga may have ended [with Central Fiction], there are more stories to explore in this universe." He's extremely proud of both the Arc System Works staff and the players and fans that have carried the franchise this far, and is looking forward to seeing where the franchise goes from here.

It feels unlikely that there would be an Extend version of Central Fiction because:

- The story for the main character has ended.
- The creator of the series is now working on a new game that isn't a fighting game
- Their big announcements at EVO were Jubei as DLC for Central Fiction and the announcement of BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle.

When ASW didn't specify what BlazBlue title would be coming to Switch back in January, I think it becomes very likely it will be the new title and not Central Fiction, otherwise... They could have announced it already?
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