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MegaManTrigger
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(07-17-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

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And then you have this problem:



There's really no way you can downsize these internals to allow for that kind of size.
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(07-17-2017, 04:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by MegaManTrigger

And then you have this problem:



There's really no way you can downsize these internals to allow for that kind of size.

Switching to the Tegra X2 or equivalent means they can drop the battery size and remove the fan, at least for a handheld only version, I'm not sure if the TV mode boost would work without a fan.
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(07-17-2017, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

I'd like a switch Mini but to retain the docking capability. That way I can play it at home on the TV but it's not a monstrous behemoth to take out and about with me.
VistraNorrez
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(07-17-2017, 04:55 PM)
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Switch Mini is never happening. People need to stop with that. At best Nintendo spins off to a portable system that supports Switch Software. But I can't see that happening for 4 or so years.
cartman414
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(07-17-2017, 04:59 PM)

Originally Posted by VistraNorrez

Switch Mini is never happening. People need to stop with that. At best Nintendo spins off to a portable system that supports Switch Software. But I can't see that happening for 4 or so years.

Wouldn't that basically be the same as a Switch Mini?
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(07-17-2017, 05:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by cartman414

Wouldn't that basically be the same as a Switch Mini?

No, it wouldn't be a Switch system at all. The branding wouldn't make any sense. It'd be like saying isn't the DS a Gameboy? And I don't think it'll happen anyway. The market is telling Nintendo you have a winner. They are not about to muddy a successful idea.

The Switch idea is all about modes of play. This Mini idea cuts that out. If you want Switch as a portable you have it already. You want it as a home console, you have it already. Nintendo is more likely to sell just the portable form on its own, no dock. That would be the first "new" version. That will happen when Nintendo wants to boost sales. That's probably 2 years away, depending on how this holiday goes.
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(07-17-2017, 05:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Graphics Horse

Switching to the Tegra X2 or equivalent means they can drop the battery size and remove the fan, at least for a handheld only version, I'm not sure if the TV mode boost would work without a fan.

The concern with dropping battery size is not knowing how much more power the Tegra X2 can get. Theoretically, dropping the battery size means a marginal move where you can expect the same performance (2.5-6hours) as opposed to potentially increasing battery life.
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(07-17-2017, 05:15 PM)
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A switch mini could work if it's the same width as the regular switch so you can dock and undock. There's use for it for people who don't want to carry around the larger device
VistraNorrez
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(07-17-2017, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Air

A switch mini could work if it's the same width as the regular switch so you can dock and undock. There's use for it for people who don't want to carry around the larger device

The identity of the system, the logo itself, is the Joycons. One clicks into place in the animated version. You are not seeing something called the Switch that doesn't have Joycons.
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(07-17-2017, 05:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by MegaManTrigger

The concern with dropping battery size is not knowing how much more power the Tegra X2 can get. Theoretically, dropping the battery size means a marginal move where you can expect the same performance (2.5-6hours) as opposed to potentially increasing battery life.

It's supposed to be around twice the efficiency. Someone with the money and knowhow should be able to check ;)
https://www.siliconhighwaydirect.co....1-0005-000.htm
Air
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(07-17-2017, 05:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by VistraNorrez

The identity of the system, the logo itself, is the Joycons. One clicks into place in the animated version. You are not seeing something called the Switch that doesn't have Joycons.

You can still have mini joy con. I don't think it would be wise for Nintendo to lose out on a segment of their audience who want smaller handhelds. The identity can encompass other ideas after enough time has passed.
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(07-17-2017, 05:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

I'd buy this day one
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(07-17-2017, 05:30 PM)
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Stupid idea but in theory you could have straps for mini joycons that turn them into full length joycons.
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(07-17-2017, 05:42 PM)
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Pro tip to people who think the switch is too big for pockets: put joycons, wallet, phone in one pocket, switch in another.
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(07-17-2017, 05:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by z0m3le

I think the low yields could force an iteration sooner than later, and next holiday would be 18 months, a similar time frame to the original DS Lite iirc.

I don't believe the X1 SoC is what is constrained for the Switch production. Nintendo certainly isn't fighting against Apple for stock.

I don't see what a quicker move to a Parker based SoC would buy Nintendo in terms of manufacturing ease.
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(07-17-2017, 06:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Graphics Horse

It's supposed to be around twice the efficiency. Someone with the money and knowhow should be able to check ;)
https://www.siliconhighwaydirect.co....1-0005-000.htm

Perhaps we can see an X2 iteration competing with xbone and ps4 base consoles at 800TFLOPS with 8GB of LDDR4 RAM, denver cores, and twice the bandwidth of the current switch that gets activated in docked mode.. But is a bandwidth of 58.3 GB/sl enough? Xbone alone has 205GB/s + 32MB eSRAM. Bandwidth is by far Switch's weakest point and could hold it back from scaling demanding AAA 3rd party ports on switch..
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ironmang
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(07-17-2017, 06:06 PM)
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I imagine they'll eventually introduce a reduced price, smaller, kid friendlier design. I really just can't see young kids taking around a Switch like I did a GBC or my friends siblings did with GBA/DS.

Originally Posted by GaimeGuy

Pro tip to people who think the switch is too big for pockets: put joycons, wallet, phone in one pocket, switch in another.

lol
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AEREC
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(07-17-2017, 06:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Transistor

Me purchasing it.

Seriously. I want a switch, but I learned not buy the first iteration of portable Nintendo hardware a long time ago

I feel like all nintendo handhelds are gonna have little issues since they have so many moving parts compared to something like the Vita.

Ive never had a nintendo handheld without an annoying little quirk:

DS - Dead Pixels
3DS - Wobbly hinge
N3DS - Wobbly hinge, Loose Right trigger button, small dent in touch screen
Switch - Cracking backplate, wobbly right Joycon in handheld mode, slightly raised screen

Nintendo is no Apple or Sony when it comes to hardware.
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(07-17-2017, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowFox08

Perhaps we can see an X2 iteration competing with xbone and ps4 base consoles at 800TFLOPS with 8GB of LDDR4 RAM, denver cores, and twice the bandwidth of the current switch that gets activated in docked mode.. But is a bandwidth of 58.3 GB/sl enough? Xbone alone has 205GB/s + 32MB eSRAM. Bandwidth is by far Switch's weakest point and could hold it back from scaling demanding AAA 3rd party ports on switch..

The more recent Xavier chip is probably a better contender for that, or whatever else they have suitable in 3 years or so, but we might be seeing other next gen systems by then so the bar will be raised...
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(07-17-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Hopefully improved performance, and battery while retaining joy con compatibility. Also, Nintendo should look into having a freesync/gsync like display for handhelds.

Originally Posted by Kickz

Yuck!
Aonuma
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(07-17-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

Ah yes. A Switch without the switching, or built-in multiplayer, that somehow magically interfaces with the dock when the sticks would prevent it from sliding in. Of course.
CarbonFire
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(07-17-2017, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by VistraNorrez

Switch Mini is never happening. People need to stop with that. At best Nintendo spins off to a portable system that supports Switch Software. But I can't see that happening for 4 or so years.

Isn't that.....isn't that exactly what is being suggested here? A portable system that supports Switch software?

Also it's too bad Nintendo is prohibited from ever making revisions of their dock, otherwise a theoretical Switch Mini could still be docked and "switch" to be used as a console. It's just too, too bad.
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(07-17-2017, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by AEREC

I feel like all nintendo handhelds are gonna have little issues since they have so many moving parts compared to something like the Vita.

Ive never had a nintendo handheld without an annoying little quirk:

DS - Dead Pixels
3DS - Wobbly hinge
N3DS - Wobbly hinge, Loose Right trigger button, small dent in touch screen
Switch - Cracking backplate, wobbly right Joycon in handheld mode, slightly raised screen

Nintendo is no Apple or Sony when it comes to hardware.

Lol why Apple and Sony are perfect? I can tell you that i have a Switch since day one and i used it everyday with over one hundred hours of Zelda and lots of other games, not a single hardware issue. Those things happen to all the devices there always be a few "bad" units, just like there are faulty Playstation(like the PS3 blueray which always breaks) or iPhones( like iPhone 4 antenna gate)
IsntChrisL
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(07-17-2017, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

I don't know why people keep thinking that this is something Nintendo would be interested in doing. The Switch is literally already a handheld. Making it smaller does nothing for Nintendo. The thing is already selling out at $300.

Also, making the joycons irreplaceable cuts into Nintendo's business plan to sell more joycons. There's no upside for Nintendo to do this. They can barely get the parts they need as it is.
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(07-17-2017, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by watershed

Is this a joke or projecting? I'm not aware of "the U.S." having an issue of people being embarrassed by the Switch.

It's projection
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(07-17-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by GaimeGuy

Pro tip to people who think the switch is too big for pockets: put joycons, wallet, phone in one pocket, switch in another.

Doesn't leave much room for my Ziploc bag of spaghetti 😒
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(07-17-2017, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by KtSlime

I may have been mistaken, but I believe graphically the X1 is the most powerful SoC not made by Apple in the <7 inch market. Unless bleeding tech simply means most recently released and not necessarily most powerful.

You are mistaken, because the Tegra X2 exists.
cartman414
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(07-17-2017, 08:58 PM)

Originally Posted by VistraNorrez

No, it wouldn't be a Switch system at all. The branding wouldn't make any sense. It'd be like saying isn't the DS a Gameboy? And I don't think it'll happen anyway. The market is telling Nintendo you have a winner. They are not about to muddy a successful idea.

The Switch idea is all about modes of play. This Mini idea cuts that out. If you want Switch as a portable you have it already. You want it as a home console, you have it already. Nintendo is more likely to sell just the portable form on its own, no dock. That would be the first "new" version. That will happen when Nintendo wants to boost sales. That's probably 2 years away, depending on how this holiday goes.

That's all well and good, but portable Switch isn't as portable as prior handhelds.
matthewuk
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(07-18-2017, 12:31 AM)
I think a new 3DS approach would be the most logical. Maybe for the most part using the 50% power efficiency for extended battery life and saving a small portion for slightly higher clocks and or cores to improve resolution and frame rate performance of existing titles. Especially in docked mode.
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(07-18-2017, 12:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by K.Jack

You are mistaken, because the Tegra X2 exists.

It's like they weren't around for all of the tech speculation threads.
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(07-18-2017, 12:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by KtSlime

I may have been mistaken, but I believe graphically the X1 is the most powerful SoC not made by Apple in the <7 inch market. Unless bleeding tech simply means most recently released and not necessarily most powerful.

Originally Posted by K.Jack

You are mistaken, because the Tegra X2 exists.

TX2 is not a mobile chip, let alone for the <7" market.
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(07-18-2017, 12:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by K.Jack

You are mistaken, because the Tegra X2 exists.

There are Tegra X2s in tablets <7 inches? Who makes them?
MegaManTrigger
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(07-18-2017, 12:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by cartman414

That's all well and good, but portable Switch isn't as portable as prior handhelds.

Based on what? I've taken my Switch out.


Inb4pocketability

In that case, pocketability =! portability
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(07-18-2017, 01:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by foltzie1

I don't believe the X1 SoC is what is constrained for the Switch production. Nintendo certainly isn't fighting against Apple for stock.

I don't see what a quicker move to a Parker based SoC would buy Nintendo in terms of manufacturing ease.

My point wasn't that moving to a newer Xavier Tegra would allow them to produce more Switch units, but simply that Nintendo might need to change other components to produce more, and could use it as an opportunity to use the newer Xavier Tegra chip as early as next holiday.

DS -> DSlite and 3DS -> 3DS XL both took about a year and a half, so saying Nintendo might move onto a Switch+ just a year and a half later, isn't such a radical idea IMO. Better battery life, more performance, and higher yield production can all be benefits of such a move.
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(07-18-2017, 01:16 AM)

Originally Posted by MegaManTrigger

Based on what? I've taken my Switch out.


Inb4pocketability

In that case, pocketability =! portability

Damn skippy I'm talking about pocketability.
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(07-18-2017, 01:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Aonuma

Ah yes. A Switch without the switching, or built-in multiplayer, that somehow magically interfaces with the dock when the sticks would prevent it from sliding in. Of course.

It's crazy how many people seem to brush these issues aside
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(07-18-2017, 01:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by cartman414

Damn skippy I'm talking about pocketability.

Have you ever considered investing in a bag?
cartman414
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(07-18-2017, 01:46 AM)

Originally Posted by KtSlime

Have you ever considered investing in a bag?

I prefer not having to rely on one. There's at least one good reason why phones are considered so convenient.
MegaManTrigger
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(07-18-2017, 02:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by cartman414

Damn skippy I'm talking about pocketability.

So by that logic, tablets/laptops/notebooks aren't portable because you can't throw them in a pocket.
ShadowFox08
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(07-18-2017, 02:09 AM)
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I wonder if X2 would be able to use full CPU and gpu clock speeds without overheating and throttling at 80% unlike X1. Of course this would be for docked mode though. Didn't 20nm havr issues have an issue with that and could that have been the case vs 16nm nodes like parker/ Pascal x2?
cartman414
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(07-18-2017, 03:10 AM)

Originally Posted by MegaManTrigger

So by that logic, tablets/laptops/notebooks aren't portable because you can't throw them in a pocket.

They're not as portable. At least with laptops there's a baseline expectation (foldable 11" x 7" minimum monolith) whose size is justified by the keyboard/trackpad inclusion.

No real need aside from power for handheld systems. I LIKED being able to pocket my handheld from GBC (skipped Pocket) to the 3DS family.
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Originally Posted by cartman414

They're not as portable. At least with laptops there's a baseline expectation (foldable 11" x 7" minimum monolith) whose size is justified by the keyboard/trackpad inclusion.

No real need aside from power for handheld systems. I LIKED being able to pocket my handheld from GBC (skipped Pocket) to the 3DS family.

I don't get this separating portable devices because they're as, or not as portable as preceding devices. At the end of the day they're still portable. The only difference is whether it's convenient for the person (after all there are different situations for everyone), but that doesn't mean the Switch is de facto not as portable as preceding devices. That's why I mentioned pocketability =! portability, and I have no idea why people still think this way.

I've always used a messenger bag for work/school, so I have no problems taking my devices and laptop on the go. The last real pocketable system for me was the DS Lite/DSi as you could get away with pocketing them. 3DS (due to increased thickness and especially XL) was borderline pocketable to the point of being uncomfortable, and I had to resort to buying a case and putting it in the bag.
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Originally Posted by MegaManTrigger

I don't get this separating portable devices because they're as, or not as portable as preceding devices. At the end of the day they're still portable. The only difference is whether it's convenient for the person (after all there are different situations for everyone), but that doesn't mean the Switch is de facto not as portable as preceding devices. That's why I mentioned pocketability =! portability, and I have no idea why people still think this way.

I've always used a messenger bag for work/school, so I have no problems taking my devices and laptop on the go. The last real pocketable system for me was the DS Lite/DSi as you could get away with pocketing them. 3DS (due to increased thickness and especially XL) was borderline pocketable to the point of being uncomfortable, and I had to resort to buying a case and putting it in the bag.

He's separating them because he doesn't want to bring a bag. Which is unfathomable to me because if I go beyond a few blocks of my house without my bag I feel kind of naked, as if I don't have my phone or wallet or keys on me. But to each his own, I just don't understand not wanting the convenience having a bag brings.
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Originally Posted by Kickz

Give me a XL first please..


Also I think it's time portable stops meaning fits in pocket. It's holding us back and who the hell put a Vita or 3DS in their pocket.. pocketable has long gone with the GBA.
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cartman414
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(07-18-2017, 04:39 AM)

Originally Posted by KtSlime

He's separating them because he doesn't want to bring a bag. Which is unfathomable to me because if I go beyond a few blocks of my house without my bag I feel kind of naked, as if I don't have my phone or wallet or keys on me. But to each his own, I just don't understand not wanting the convenience having a bag brings.

Not having to bring a bag is its own convenience.

If I don't need a bag for anything else, there's little point. Even so, I find it more convenient to slip out of my pocket than bag.
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(07-18-2017, 04:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kickz

Lol full circle
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Originally Posted by NOLA_Gaffer

I'd like a switch Mini but to retain the docking capability. That way I can play it at home on the TV but it's not a monstrous behemoth to take out and about with me.

I know GAF likes to be hyperbolic, but holy fuck dude, really?

Originally Posted by Hubble

I think a Switch mini is a fantastic idea. The Switch is just too big and embarrassing for portable play in the U.S.

Might be your insecurity speaking.
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Originally Posted by Kickz

This is what I'd say is more likely. I could see a Spring 2019 release for a Switch mini. I recall seeing a patent a long time ago for customizable control configurations where you could slide an analog stick, D-pad or A,B,X,Y attachment into the handheld. Perhaps they could do that for the Switch Mini. Then in Spring 2020 offer a console attachment that brings graphics closer to competition.
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The Switch mini would probably need circle pads if it has to be less wide than the Switch but still fit into the dock.

I think the current size of the Switch is a worthwhile tradeoff for the super comfy screen and better control input. I guess if you're self conscious about the, well, size of the device, consider that you're playing video games in public either way, so get over it?
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Based on some quick calculations (don't have on hand to measure), the Tablet including bezel is ~7.7" diagonally. It might be possible to hit 7" on the screen if the bezels are shrunk considerably, but that might be too optimistic considering the Joycons need to attach.

Even so, that would be nice for an XL revision that could still maintain full joycon and dock compatibility.

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