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Shard
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(07-17-2017, 06:50 PM)
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https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/...und-off-steam/

River City Ransom Underground was removed from Steam late last week, part of an unfolding legal drama surrounding a composer who has been directing DMCA copyright-infringement takedowns at games she says don't have the rights to her music.

Conatus' Andrew Russell, one of the developers of River City Ransom Underground, said in a short statement that "we are aware that RCRU is down on Steam. We have contacted Valve's copyright department, and will let you know when access is restored." But composer Alex Mauer confirmed to Destructoid that the removal was the result of a Digital Millennium Copyright Act request she made against the title.

"Conatus never got my written permission to use my music in the game," Mauer told the site. "As far as I know, they have Disasterpeace's [one of the game's composers] signature and are trying to act like that alone is enough to have secured rights."

Mauer has previously issued DMCA takedown notices for a number of RCRU YouTube videos that she says feature her music without permission. Conatus took to the Steam forums earlier this month to clarify that the company was not behind those YouTube requests and to defend a right to use Mauer's music. "Alex Mauer produced, in collaboration with others, works for RCRU as a subcontractor, and Conatus believes that it possesses the legal right to use those collaborative works in the game," the company wrote.

MayMay
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(07-17-2017, 06:51 PM)
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This goddamn person..
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 06:52 PM)
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... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.
Shard
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(07-17-2017, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by MayMay

This goddamn person..

Also, fuck the DCMA.
KZXcellent
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(07-17-2017, 06:53 PM)
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Lost any remaining sympathy I had for Alex Mauer after she threatened to kill the developer of a game she worked on and their attorney.
The Dink
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(07-17-2017, 06:53 PM)
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Huh. I assumed this would be related to a dispute over license rights to the River City Ransom franchise itself. But I guess Alex Mauer's path to self-destruction continues.
diablos991
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(07-17-2017, 06:53 PM)
The more this game sells, the more likely she is to see payment.

This move is in direct conflict with her desired outcome.
kami_sama
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(07-17-2017, 06:54 PM)
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God fucking dammit.
Like how the hell do you think this will help you in any way in your court date?
She only want to destroy herself, mark my words.
And I hope RCRU back on Steam ASAP.
Gaz Pwnage
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(07-17-2017, 06:54 PM)
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I feel like this already happened once somehow?
QuantumBro
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(07-17-2017, 06:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by diablos991

The more sells this game gets, the more likely she is to see payment.

This move is in direct conflict with her desired outcome.

You can't apply logic to any of Mauer's actions.
Deft Beck
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(07-17-2017, 06:54 PM)
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Mauer is going to have a hell of a legal reckoning coming.

Sucks that this game got caught in the crossfire.
Shard
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(07-17-2017, 06:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.

Yet here we are.
doctorcdcs
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(07-17-2017, 06:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.

I believe that only applied to Star Mazer's case and not other games.
KZXcellent
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(07-17-2017, 06:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gaz Pwnage

I feel like this already happened once somehow?

She went on a tirade of DMCA takedowns on YouTube videos for another game she worked on. This was done in the hopes she could get those YouTubers to lash out at the developer.
Cob32
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(07-17-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.

If I recall I think it was against the other game (Starr mazer). RCR is still fair game.
Dsyndrome
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(07-17-2017, 06:56 PM)
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The fact that she still has the power to do this astounds me.
jholmes
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(07-17-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Feel free to get this when it's back up, people. Game is solid, devs are hard working and apparently they need a little extra support right about now.
Takuan
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(07-17-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Temporary inconvenience, it'll be back up in short order.

This person clearly needs help.

Originally Posted by jholmes

Feel free to get this when it's back up, people. Game is solid, devs are hard working and apparently they need a little extra support right about now.

Will buy the GOG version next time it goes on sale.
Gaz Pwnage
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(07-17-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by KZXcellent

She went on a tirade of DMCA takedowns on YouTube videos for another game she worked on. This was done in the hopes she could get those YouTubers to lash out at the developer.

Ah yes that right, I remember now, thanks
LordGorchnik
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(07-17-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Wait I backed this game on Kickstarter and chose the Steam version. Not at home right now but does this mean I no longer "own" this game?
Balfour
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(07-17-2017, 06:57 PM)
I hope she loses in court and gets punished for abuse of the system. Won't happen as big corporations get free passes to abuse the system on a daily basis
ramoisdead
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(07-17-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Fuck Alex Mauer and more importantly, fuck Youtube for sitting idly by and letting this shit happen.
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cob32

If I recall I think it was against the other game (Starr mazer). RCR is still fair game.

Judge should issue a C&D for all DMCA-related activity until their court date. Also, I really hope they charge her for perjury for these false DMCA claims. Sick of people and corporations not getting their due for abusing it.
Buckle
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(07-17-2017, 06:58 PM)
I really hope someone ends up suing the hell out of her.

Its fucking sad how easily and abusable DMCA takedowns still are after all the shitstorms surrounding them. Enough of this already.
doctorcdcs
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(07-17-2017, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordGorchnik

Wait I backed this game on Kickstarter and chose the Steam version. Not at home right now but does this mean I no longer "own" this game?

if you redeemed the code, it should still be in your library. however there are reports that if you buy a key from say, humble, the key won't work apparently.
KarmaCow
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(07-17-2017, 06:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordGorchnik

Wait I backed this game on Kickstarter and chose the Steam version. Not at home right now but does this mean I no longer "own" this game?

No you still have it and can download it. AFAIK, there hasn't been a game on steam that has been removed from people who bought it after it was taken down.
Swiggins
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(07-17-2017, 06:59 PM)
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Mauer really needs to feel the swift boot of justice up her ass and quickly. I don't know how anybody could still be defending her after all of this.
Chev
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(07-17-2017, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dsyndrome

The fact that she still has the power to do this astounds me.

DMCA is all about taking down stuff without asking questions.
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Buckle

I really hope someone ends up suing the hell out of her.

Enough of this already.

She needs to be isolated and addressed medically/mentally. If she ends up in jail I hope they get her help.
Chacranajxy
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(07-17-2017, 07:00 PM)
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What provision of the DMCA are they relying on here?
Blam
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(07-17-2017, 07:01 PM)
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Honestly this person needs to be put somewhere they can't connect to any internet at all.
Tecnniqe
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(07-17-2017, 07:01 PM)
DMCA is a joke right now
Neptonic
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(07-17-2017, 07:01 PM)
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What an asshole move
BronsonLee
(07-17-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Who is this person anyways
Head.spawn
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(07-17-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Holy shit, she's at it again.

Just take her music out already

Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

What provision of the DMCA are they relying on here?

Apparently the "act first, wait for questions and evidence later" clause.
Tizoc
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(07-17-2017, 07:09 PM)
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Game is up on gog btw
https://www.gog.com/game/river_city_ransom_underground
Blizzard
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(07-17-2017, 07:09 PM)
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If she actually made death threats, you'd think some sort of action would be taken, ick.
Blam
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(07-17-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Head.spawn


Apparently the "act first, wait for questions and evidence later" clause.

Ahh yes the youtube edition
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 07:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blizzard

If she actually made death threats, you'd think some sort of action would be taken, ick.

Oh there's screen caps of her emails where she says "I want to kill myself, but I have to kill you first" to SidAlpha (youtuber)

She was taken into involuntary custody for mental health but cleared for public within days.

She needs to be locked up.
stan423321
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(07-17-2017, 07:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Head.spawn

Holy shit, she's at it again.

Just take her music out already

Not as obvious as it seems. It doesn't prevent a rogue DMCA notice anyway. On the other hand, if you paid for it and didn't screw up the contract, then why the hell would you take it out?
Kin5290
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(07-17-2017, 07:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.

I think that was specifically over Starr Mazer. Different game, different copyright, and so the restraining order doesn't provide protection.

I'm glad that the more mainstream gaming/tech adjacent press is covering this story. There's a lot of toxic bullshit in the backlash against Mauer due to her gender identity and a perception that the press is "protecting her". Echoes of GamerGate, but this time the Gaters have a nominally righteous cause.
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 08:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kin5290

I think that was specifically over Starr Mazer. Different game, different copyright, and so the restraining order doesn't provide protection.

I'm glad that the more mainstream gaming/tech adjacent press is covering this story. There's a lot of toxic bullshit in the backlash against Mauer due to her gender identity and a perception that the press is "protecting her". Echoes of GamerGate, but this time the Gaters have a nominally righteous cause.

Honestly I never got involved/looked into GamerGate and I don't care to.

All I see here is a human being who is going way off the rails and breaking laws along the way. Gender should not even be part of the discussion.
legacyzero
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(07-17-2017, 08:06 PM)
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Why

She's insane
Trojita
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(07-17-2017, 08:07 PM)
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Really surprised this wasn't over the actual rights to River City Ransom lol.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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(07-17-2017, 08:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by legacyzero

Why

She's insane

Originally Posted by Swiggins

Mauer really needs to feel the swift boot of justice up her ass and quickly. I don't know how anybody could still be defending her after all of this.

Eh, let's look at where the case goes without jumping to conclusions. Did the developers have the right to her music? If so, she's insane indeed. If they didn't then she is perfectly okay to pursue DMCA takedowns.

Devs should just take out her music in return. Patch it out.

That or devs should just show the damn receipt for the rights to her songs so this can be settled once and for all.
Last edited by Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew; 07-17-2017 at 08:11 PM.
Quadraphonic
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(07-17-2017, 08:14 PM)
I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you're doing this enough to the point where people recognize who you are because of it, then maybe you are the problem.
Cactus
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(07-17-2017, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Dink

Huh. I assumed this would be related to a dispute over license rights to the River City Ransom franchise itself. But I guess Alex Mauer's path to self-destruction continues.

Originally Posted by Trojita

Really surprised this wasn't over the actual rights to River City Ransom lol.

Nope, this is a fully licensed "River City" game.
CuckFupertino
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(07-17-2017, 08:16 PM)
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If she believes she has legal copyright if the music then she's justified in filing the DMCAs. The issue here is that it *appears* she misunderstands how copyright works in regards to work for hire on these games.
FrontalMonk
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(07-17-2017, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

Eh, let's look at where the case goes without jumping to conclusions. Did the developers have the right to her music? If so, she's insane indeed. If they didn't then she is perfectly okay to pursue DMCA takedowns.

Devs should just take out her music in return. Patch it out.

That or devs should just show the damn receipt for the rights to her songs so this can be settled once and for all.

At least in Starr Mazer's case, they have. Mauer's contract looks pretty bog standard, and has a specific clause in it that what she makes, they own the rights to. Even if it wasn't explicitly stated, it's pretty well established case law that the contractor doesn't have rights to what they make under contract unless otherwise specified.
KojiKnight
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(07-17-2017, 08:19 PM)
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At most this is a temporary, if a tad persistent, annoyance that is a permanent end to her career. No one is going to hire her after this.

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