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OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by CuckFupertino

If she believes she has legal copyright if the music then she's justified in filing the DMCAs. The issue here is that it *appears* she misunderstands how copyright works in regards to work for hire on these games.

Yep.

She signed work-for-hire contracts with Imagos, so the court saw it justified to remove her ability to claim copyright on Starr Mazer.

I guess RCR just need to show a judge their contract as it sounds like it was also standard work-for-hire.
michaelius
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(07-17-2017, 08:20 PM)
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What's the story behind this music drama? Is this completely baseless claim or was there some legal fallout over the rights ?
Yohane
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(07-17-2017, 08:20 PM)
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How is this even possible?
FrontalMonk
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(07-17-2017, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by michaelius

What's the story behind this music drama? Is this completely baseless claim or was there some legal fallout over the rights ?

It's baseless. Mauer's literally mentally ill and lashing out at any/everything she's worked on in an effort to make them pay. Who's them? Who knows.
K.Jack
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(07-17-2017, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by diablos991

The more this game sells, the more likely she is to see payment.

This move is in direct conflict with her desired outcome.

As one of my favorite video game's characters eloquently stated, "Sounds simple enough, but all battles are easily won in the minds of the delusional."
purseowner
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(07-17-2017, 08:22 PM)
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I guess you could say River City is being held to ransom.

What a bizarre situation. Pleased I bought this at launch.
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by michaelius

What's the story behind this music drama? Is this completely baseless claim or was there some legal fallout over the rights ?

Alex took down 60+ youtuber's videos of Starr Mazer DSP claiming that she never was paid by the devs. Couple youtubers started covering the issue, Alex sent death threats to the youtubers and continued to issue DMCA.

Devs for Starr Mazer DSP produced the contract showing Mauer signed a standard work-for-hire contract and thus the music belongs to devs.

Now Alex is going after RCR. So, if RCR's devs show a judge the contract, and if it is the same standardized contract, she'll be unable to cause issues with RCR.

Until she goes to court for all of this (which is coming) injunctions are the best that can be done.
Abilidebob
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(07-17-2017, 08:24 PM)

Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

Alex took down 60+ youtuber's videos of Starr Mazer DSP claiming that she never was paid by the devs. Couple youtubers started covering the issue, Alex sent death threats to the youtubers and continued to issue DMCA.

Devs for Starr Mazer DSP produced the contract showing Mauer signed a standard work-for-hire contract and thus the music belongs to devs.

Now Alex is going after RCR. So, if RCR's devs show a judge the contract, and if it is the same standardized contract, she'll be unable to cause issues with RCR.

Until she goes to court for all of this (which is coming) injunctions are the best that can be done.

What the fuck. Why do I barely see any coverage about it?
Kneefoil
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(07-17-2017, 08:25 PM)
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Man, that sucks. I didn't even know the game had come out.

Hoping that the devs are in the right with this.
Ozigizo
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(07-17-2017, 08:25 PM)
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So I guess the question is what other games did she work for? I assume those will be the next targets once River City blocks her ability to DMCA.
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(07-17-2017, 08:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

Alex took down 60+ youtuber's videos of Starr Mazer DSP claiming that she never was paid by the devs. Couple youtubers started covering the issue, Alex sent death threats to the youtubers and continued to issue DMCA.

Devs for Starr Mazer DSP produced the contract showing Mauer signed a standard work-for-hire contract and thus the music belongs to devs.

Now Alex is going after RCR. So, if RCR's devs show a judge the contract, and if it is the same standardized contract, she'll be unable to cause issues with RCR.

Until she goes to court for all of this (which is coming) injunctions are the best that can be done.

Thanks for this. Now I'm more informed.
Sayad
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(07-17-2017, 08:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Abilidebob

What the fuck. Why do I barely see any coverage about it?

The threads about it here got closed.
The Faceless Master
(07-17-2017, 08:33 PM)
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i blame the corporate interests that lobbied for the DMCA

the same ones that do this same thing to millions of pieces of content every month....
Ozigizo
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(07-17-2017, 08:36 PM)
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Oh and Sidalphas video has a garbage freeze peach argument in front of it that basically says: "I'll just put my hands over my ears and let hate speech run rampant in my comments so I can sleep at night."

Fucking youtubers and their loose morals.
stan423321
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(07-17-2017, 08:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Abilidebob

What the fuck. Why do I barely see any coverage about it?

Well, as a person that has been there since pretty much the first Starr Mazer DSP DMCA wave, there are dozens of possible reasons, but two that seem most obvious are people being afraid of becoming targets of more rogue takedowns and people thinking that coverage is exactly what Mauer craves.
Collingwood
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(07-17-2017, 08:38 PM)
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I don't get it.

If she worked with them on the music, how could a situation arise where they don't have the rights o said Music?
BitStyle
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(07-17-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Shame that copyright/takedown trolling is still this invasive, but that is the price of these automatic content protection systems. DMCA systems suck.

Hopefully this gets resolved swiftly
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ozigizo

Oh and Sidalphas video has a garbage freeze peach argument in front of it that basically says: "I'll just put my hands over my ears and let hate speech run rampant in my comments so I can sleep at night."

Fucking youtubers and their loose morals.

I don't follow you. Can you elaborate?
MLH
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(07-17-2017, 08:41 PM)
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I don't know what she's trying to accomplish here but shes making enemies of everyone. I can't believe one person is able to take down so much content, seems like a real abuse of the DMCA, there should be repercussions if it's found that she doesn't own any of this music.

People hearing your music, even when it's out of your control, is a great way to get yourself known. This isn't, she'll never get hired/ contracted ever again (Thankfully, she sounds toxic), which is a real shame.
Head.spawn
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(07-17-2017, 08:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by stan423321

Not as obvious as it seems. It doesn't prevent a rogue DMCA notice anyway. On the other hand, if you paid for it and didn't screw up the contract, then why the hell would you take it out?

To keep her out of their business life, if seems like it'd be worth it.

She's actively harassing their customers, reviewers, youtubers, their company, she got their game taken down....

If her music is gone, all of that goes away and they could sue her like they should be doing.

Originally Posted by Collingwood

I don't get it.

If she worked with them on the music, how could a situation arise where they don't have the rights o said Music?

IIRC she worked under contract and was paid for her work, then needed time off for issues, then permanently leave. Then made claims that she wasn't paid and started DMCA'ing the hell out of everyone and anyone that has a bit of her music in it.

They have the rights to the music and claim to have paid her. Her claim is that she wasn't paid so she retains rights. (I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly).

edit: Actually this is a second developer she is going through all of this with again. No idea if it's the same situation.
Ozigizo
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(07-17-2017, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

I don't follow you. Can you elaborate?

Basically, he saw rampant hate speech and doxxing in his comments, and decided it wasn't his responsibility to deal with it.

Pretty much the equivalent of offering a safe space for that behavior.

But, this is off topic and I apologise for bringing it up.
Last edited by Ozigizo; 07-17-2017 at 09:02 PM.
Protome
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(07-17-2017, 08:58 PM)
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What a bizarre and crazy way to end your career. Hopefully this doesn't impact the RCRU devs too hard but not being able to make any money off your game from the biggest point of sale around can't be good for them.
Head.spawn
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(07-17-2017, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

Alex took down 60+ youtuber's videos of Starr Mazer DSP claiming that she never was paid by the devs. Couple youtubers started covering the issue, Alex sent death threats to the youtubers and continued to issue DMCA.

Devs for Starr Mazer DSP produced the contract showing Mauer signed a standard work-for-hire contract and thus the music belongs to devs.

Now Alex is going after RCR. So, if RCR's devs show a judge the contract, and if it is the same standardized contract, she'll be unable to cause issues with RCR.

Until she goes to court for all of this (which is coming) injunctions are the best that can be done.

I thought Alex was the one who got death threats? Or was it both?

She definitely mentioned that she reported them to police.
Protome
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(07-17-2017, 09:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Head.spawn

I thought Alex was the one who got death threats? Or was it both?

She definitely mentioned that she reported them to police.

Both.
jett
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(07-17-2017, 09:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

She needs to be isolated and addressed medically/mentally. If she ends up in jail I hope they get her help.

And in the mean time other people's livelihoods are being fucked with by this lunatic.
Knurek
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(07-17-2017, 09:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ozigizo

Basically, he saw rampant hate speech and doxxing in his comments, and decided it wasn't his responsibility to deal with it.

So, what's your solution?
He can't disable comments on videos, can he?
Pretty much every video of his I saw starts with him asking commenters to stop with the kind of behavior you mention.
OriginalPoe
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(07-17-2017, 09:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Knurek

So, what's your solution?
He can't disable comments on videos, can he?

He could. TotalBiscuit does.
Ozigizo
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(07-17-2017, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Knurek

So, what's your solution?
He can't disable comments on videos, can he?
Pretty much every video of his I saw starts with him asking commenters to stop with the kind of behavior you mention.

Delete the comments?

Disable the comments entirely?

It's his channel, and turning the blind eye is as bad as supporting it.
CazTGG
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(07-17-2017, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Knurek

So, what's your solution?
He can't disable comments on videos, can he?

Yes, he can...but he doesn't because "muh 1st Amendment" (he said something along those lines during a Yooka-Laylee video as to why he rarely turns them off).
Operationgamer17
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(07-17-2017, 09:25 PM)

Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

... again?

I thought Alex had an injunction filed against her that would keep her from filing anymore DMCA requests until the court date.

There was an apparent "second wave" of DMCA claims that started a while back.
https://www.twitter.com/SuperGWolf/s...64121431539712
Also, this particular request could have been done earlier.
entremet
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(07-17-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by OriginalPoe

Alex took down 60+ youtuber's videos of Starr Mazer DSP claiming that she never was paid by the devs. Couple youtubers started covering the issue, Alex sent death threats to the youtubers and continued to issue DMCA.

Devs for Starr Mazer DSP produced the contract showing Mauer signed a standard work-for-hire contract and thus the music belongs to devs.

Now Alex is going after RCR. So, if RCR's devs show a judge the contract, and if it is the same standardized contract, she'll be unable to cause issues with RCR.

Until she goes to court for all of this (which is coming) injunctions are the best that can be done.

Wow. She is killing her career.
stan423321
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(07-17-2017, 09:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Head.spawn

If her music is gone, all of that goes away and they could sue her like they should be doing.

My understanding of the DMCA safe harbor regulations is that they basically work just like SOPA was supposed to work, except on service scale instead of DNS scale, in that the service is supposed to take down content on accusation and not proof of any illicit content within. Furthermore, I also understand that you and the service in question (Steam/YouTube) don't have personal data of accuser necessary to sue for DMCA strike interfering with your activities on the notice, as it is actually not required to contain such at first - apparently some sort of contact data in case of service deciding to act on not guilty plea by the content uploader is required, but that's not sufficient to sue. If you have data claiming otherwise, please share.

Under assumptions above, there isn't really that much of a difference between getting taken down due to content that is claimed to be someone else's but was actually made for you, and getting taken down due to the very same content that actually isn't in your game anymore, or heck, any content that wasn't in your game ever. All are wrong, and with all you can't do anything about it at first if you're using safe harbors. Situation is somewhat different if your content redistributor is not using safe harbor provisions, but that appears to imply at the very least manual screening for the most blatant offenses, something that is not an option for YouTube, for instance.

Taking the music down can also be taken publicly as an admission of guilt, which is not really something you want to do, I think.

tl;dr: I think you're wrong and it's a bad idea though I wouldn't bet my body parts on it as I'm not a lawyer.
Operationgamer17
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(07-17-2017, 09:41 PM)
If you think the DMCA claim we filed was bad, apparently she was sending death threats to the developers.
https://www.twitter.com/leonardjfren...60578453598208
The Hobo
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(07-17-2017, 09:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by entremet

Wow. She is killing her career.

It's already dead. No-one is going to hire her now.
Nomadic Sparks
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(07-17-2017, 09:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Operationgamer17

If you think the DMCA claim we filed was bad, apparently she was sending death threats to the developers.
https://www.twitter.com/leonardjfren...60578453598208


Damn really
SenorArdilla
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(07-17-2017, 09:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by jett

And in the mean time other people's livelihoods are being fucked with by this lunatic.

According to Mauer, playing video games and making Youtube videos isn't a real job.
Neptonic
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(07-17-2017, 09:52 PM)
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This is some crazy destructive behavior from one person
Squirrel Killer
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(07-17-2017, 10:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Head.spawn

IIRC she worked under contract and was paid for her work, then needed time off for issues, then permanently leave. Then made claims that she wasn't paid and started DMCA'ing the hell out of everyone and anyone that has a bit of her music in it.

They have the rights to the music and claim to have paid her. Her claim is that she wasn't paid so she retains rights.

I haven't been following this super closely, but I think this is the crux of the situation, she began working for the devs, then had to stop for personal reasons. The devs understandably stopped paying her, but used what she had produced thus far under their understanding of the contract. She thinks that paying her less than the full amount listed in the contract is a breach of that contract. The devs and their lawyer disagree.

In order to make her point, she started the takedowns. The affected creators were understandably upset and confused as were their fans. I imagine harassment of Alex began and led her to more and more inexplicable behavior.

Originally Posted by Head.spawn

I thought Alex was the one who got death threats? Or was it both?

She definitely mentioned that she reported them to police.

This is the internet, death threats are a virtual currency. I'm sure they went both ways.
Perona
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(07-17-2017, 10:38 PM)
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Apparently she took back her original DMCA takedown complaints because doing them all at once only gave youtubers one strike against their account. She then started doing them separately so that the youtubers would get 3 strikes and their channels would get shut down.
RedFury
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Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

DMCA is a joke right now

Completley off topic but is that Rebecca from DE in your avatar? I thought she looked familiar for the longest time, finally got back into warframe then it clicked.
Papo Swing
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(07-17-2017, 10:44 PM)
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Wait I am lost on this one.

Is River City Ransom Underground published/created by the same guys? Like is Imagos the same company that makes RCRU? Are they related at all?

If not this is a pretty shitty move on her part which will only hurt her.
BernardoOne
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Originally Posted by Ozigizo

Oh and Sidalphas video has a garbage freeze peach argument in front of it that basically says: "I'll just put my hands over my ears and let hate speech run rampant in my comments so I can sleep at night."

Fucking youtubers and their loose morals.

Sidalpha is a jackass, lately he has been defending an idiot that got banned from Friday the 13th. Apparently calling girl players "whores" and little kids playing the game "faggots" shouldn't be bannable.

Originally Posted by Knurek

So, what's your solution?
He can't disable comments on videos, can he?
Pretty much every video of his I saw starts with him asking commenters to stop with the kind of behavior you mention.

Of course he can. Takes like one second, and the comment section is entirely worthless anyways.
His audience has been attacking the F13 devs as well.
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malboroking
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(07-17-2017, 10:57 PM)

Originally Posted by SenorArdilla

According to Mauer, playing video games and making Youtube videos isn't a real job.

Because that type of work is sooooo different from making music.
superdeluxe
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(07-17-2017, 11:02 PM)
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Alex Mauer has lost it
Friend of Sonic
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(07-17-2017, 11:03 PM)
They should replace her tracks with a techno style reading of a long statement saying that she is not allowing them to use music she wrote for the tame
Candescence
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(07-17-2017, 11:03 PM)
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Mauer need mental help and she needs to reverse course ASAP. She's completely destroying her career at this rate by burning too many bridges.
VariantX
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(07-17-2017, 11:03 PM)
Damn shame devs who contracted work from her in the past are gettng caught up in this mess.
GoodCoffeeJoey
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Originally Posted by Perona

Apparently she took back her original DMCA takedown complaints because doing them all at once only gave youtubers one strike against their account. She then started doing them separately so that the youtubers would get 3 strikes and their channels would get shut down.

It's amazing how much damage a single unhinged person can do, due to how utterly broken the DMCA and youtubes copyright policy are.
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Originally Posted by GoodCoffeeJoey

It's amazing how much damage a single unhinged person can do, due to how utterly broken the DMCA and youtubes copyright policy are.

What's amazing to me is how YouTube continues to do nothing and probably will keep on doing nothing until Mauer decides to stop on her own
AppleMIX
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(07-17-2017, 11:15 PM)
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I seriously still don't get her reasoning.

She is essentially threatening you tubers lively hood and she seriously thinks that they'll take her side?

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