Dyack said that other platforms are possible when they met their goal or get even more money
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Precursor Games- Shadow of the Eternals Crowdsourcing + Kickstarter [canceled]
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Dyack said that other platforms are possible when they met their goal or get even more money
Yeah that matches up with the $50 tier having 10 episodes + 2 free.
EDIT: I probably misunderstood. That $5 a piece thing makes more sense. I don't know.
Oh, that'd make sense.
statham
Member
Then at the very least put it on kickstarter and bump up goal to 1.65 million if they are worried about fees
Nope. You have to donate at least $5 to get the first episode.
But Retro is making ED 2!
Believe!
Really shady like others have said. They keep your money even if they don't reach the goal. They also outright mention that it does not even guarantee the game will get completed. I mean, I know this is THE risk with crowd funding but to say it like that coupled with the fact they keep your money whatever happens is really shady.
1,5 million is only for the first episode? This is in the crazy territory right now.
Yeah, without their guidance SK was not a very good dev.
1,5 million is only for the first episode? This is in the crazy territory right now.
Yeah, without their guidance SK was not a very good dev.
I am very glad to see this happening and I hope that it reaches it's goals. It raises SO MANY questions though. I get the feeling that this was originally a Nintendo sanctioned game that they backed out on after Silicon Knights went under. Why else would it continue to be on the Wii U? Also, what about the sanity effects? Nintendo has the patent on that, unless Dyack managed to get around it OR made an agreement with Nintendo.
Another reason why it's hard to believe Nintendo has any connection to this or would okay with this. No way would hey allow anything they have a connection to, to appear on any other system. Being inspired or a spiritual successor is one thing. If Nintendo have the rights to Eternal Darkness and locations, etc look like they were taken from it and put in another game they would certainly have issue with that. There would really be no way of knowing until footage comes and and now it has.
SniperHunter
Banned
Something bad happened to them with Xbox 360. How can a company which has released Eternal Darkness, Metal Gears Solid Twin Snakes & Legacy of Kain, suddenly fall flat on their face? I think there were a lot of tech issues with UE3 and Epic's promises.
Anyway like I said before, just like anything in life you shouldn't write off someone just because they failed once.
BTW I would never donate money to a game developer....there are better causes out there.
You may want to read this thread. Basically, all signs are that outside of the times that another company standing over SK's shoulder guiding development, everything SK touches is a mess.
Oh god, its like reading Star Citizen campaign start again ... No refunds is normal policy for crowdfunding, how would they be able to give people money they've already spent after months of development?
Read complains about Chris Robert campaign when it didnt land on kickstarter. People have called it shady too ...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495065
http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/commercial-terms/
Read complains about Chris Robert campaign when it didnt land on kickstarter. People have called it shady too ...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495065
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
I've technically crowd-funded Dyack's previous efforts (thanks Ontario), so I won't be suckered into his BS ever again.
Against.
Against.
I would be surprised if this WASN'T the case.
They don't even need to do this
They can easily manipulate the numbers on their website
magic!!
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Well, Dyack brought the GAF hatred on himself with his for or against bullshit, but it is sad to see the ire that this project is engendering already. Seeing as Eternal Darkness is one of my favorite games ever, I think I will have to back this for at least a modest amount. This is a game that I would like to see make it to fruition.
SniperHunter
Banned
The amount of outs they've afforded themselves (no refund/cancellation period before goal is met, not liable for anything if we can't/don't make the game, funding will cover one episode only) coupled with the studios recent track record and any ownership Nintendo still holds over the Eternal Darkness IP is making this one a pretty easy decision for me. Wish them the best and I'll evaluate the game if it ever becomes an actual product, but no interest in bankrolling it.
Übermatik;56972232 said:
Well the way Kickstarter works is this: you have a project, and you have a pretty good idea of how much money you need to make it happen. So if you can't get enough money, if you can't reach your goal, you get nothing. Because what's the point of getting like half the money? Your project is not doable, se let's not waste everyone's money and everyone's time.
This, however, is not Kickstarter. It's plain donations. The 1.5 million goal is just for show, they keep your money no matter what. This means that they do need 1.5 millions, but if they get only half, they'll keep it and just make some cheaper crap instead of what they planned, if anything.
Dyack's trustworthyness aside, the ingame footage looks pretty legit.
Also, I highly doubt Nintendo cares enough to sue.
Well, there's that. But if a kickstarter makes it's goal and the people running it then take all the money and blow it on blackjack and hookers you're not getting your money back either.
Also, I highly doubt Nintendo cares enough to sue.
Well, there's that. But if a kickstarter makes it's goal and the people running it then take all the money and blow it on blackjack and hookers you're not getting your money back either.
Wishmaster92
Member
Pious and Alex? Looks like them.
but they have to protect the IP, don't they? is not directly connect it to ED but they are saying is a Spiritual Successor. that has to bother Nintendo
Mithos
Member
We will know soon enough.
I don't see why anyone would suppose Precursor isn't doing this without Nintendo's okay. It's set for a Wii U release. Sounds like Nintendo is in it, to me.
If Nintendo was in it then there would be no PC version of the game as well as the possibility of it coming to other platforms. Nintendo is definitely not in it. Plus, they probably would have funded it if they were.
Don't really see the need for such cynicism. More than an hour into the campaign, they're barely scratching at 20k. That's not a lot at all for what is supposed to be a big crowdfunding campaign and definitely not an unlikely number to reach for a "spiritual successor to Eternal Darkness". There's no reason to think they are using their own money to generate a steady pace.
Regarding their ToS, while flexible fundings generally suck and don't make sense, I don't see anything wrong with the disclaimer that they are not obligated to release a product. Sounds harsh, but in the end it's the only way a crowdfunding project makes sense for the developer. You can never know for certain if a project might not face serious problems during the development period, and if it's end up being cancelled how are the people behind it supposed to pay the money back? If they had a million bucks lying around, they wouldn't need such a campaign to begin with.
Of course, knowing the backstory of Dyack/SK everyone should think twice before donating to the cause, considering the studio seemed to have serious management problems in the past. However, maybe things will go more smoothly with a smaller team. Or maybe they'll fail miserably because they don't have enough people for such an ambitous project.
In any case, the business sense behind the project seems strange. The collected money is for episode 1 and with these profits they want develop the upcoming episodes? But who is supposed to buy the upcoming episodes, when they give away episodes 1 to 6 for pretty much nothing at this point already?
This is what I don't understand. It's largely assumed Nintendo is the one that owns Eternal Darkness. Why would SK even be trying to shop something to different publishers? Or is it really a mistake in the end that Nintendo owns ED? I assume if Nintendo didn't have ownership then there would have been nothing stopping development of a sequel during all the years that passed. It's easier to believe Nintendo owns ED and is just sitting on the IP as they've put other ips on ice for entire hardware generations. I
As said I don't see Nintendo allowing anything they own or even partly own be playable on another platform.
I don't think people are against the concept of buying a spiritual sequel of Eternal Darkness if the original team somehow got back on their feet and made a game which delivers. People are sceptical about donating to a company which might not be trustworthy.
If they do end up funding the game and making it, and it looks decent, I'll certainly buy it and give it a chance. I'm just not blindly throwing money at them because I honestly don't trust the people involved after the last few years.
Sure, there's never any guarantee in the first place. But if I give 100 bucks to people that need 1 million, and all they get is my 100 bucks, well then I would like my money back, because in this case I KNOW they'll blow it on blackjack and hookers, and I can do that myself.
So why is it Wii U only, then (excluding PC)? Why not Xbox 360 / PS3? I mean, if this hits close to home for the big N just by virtue of what it is, doesn't listing it as a Wii U game rub salt in that wound? That seems like a weird thing to do if you're treading on thin ice, unless you've a go ahead. Why would Nintendo care to fund it themselves when they can pass the risk on to Precursor who simply passes the risk on to the consumer? That's good business for a company hurting for games, no?
Haha, reading that Kotaku article again makes me laugh. I mean, damn. They were purely riding on the critical acclaim of Eternal Darkness and they actually got a few contracts out of it. I would love to hear comments from Nintendo on Silicon Knights. It wouldn't be pretty I suppose.
Howard Alan Treesong
Member
is it me or does this gameplay demo looks like the old E.D.. a lot.... almost copy past'ish.
(church, bookshelf thing, tunnel..)
http://youtu.be/gQGMxfzFp1g?t=4m
(church, bookshelf thing, tunnel..)
http://youtu.be/gQGMxfzFp1g?t=4m
SniperHunter
Banned
Yea great point given their shady past. I will buy it if it's any good, but I am not donating any money either.
They probably want to build a positive reputation among the development and publishing companies, so they changed their name. lol
hardly any gameplay there...just a dude walking around the environment. The church looks like something ripped from Dragon Age