Isn't this every tier list ever? It's the best effort yet at one which the user clearly put a lot of time and effort into.
Jeez are you negative in all your posts? First you complain about heroes costing 500 steel to unlock, now this lol.
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Isn't this every tier list ever? It's the best effort yet at one which the user clearly put a lot of time and effort into.
Jeez are you negative in all your posts? First you complain about heroes costing 500 steel to unlock, now this lol.
Completing orders.
If you are just talking about XP from matches, the 4v4 modes are the best. At least I think that's the case.
Yeah I think it's very legitimate tactic to throw people to their deaths. The devs didn't put those ledges and fire in there by accident. Mind your surroundings and be aware of the map layout. But I've been off from multiplayer games for over a year now after 3k hours of Dota. Got really burnt out by all the hostility. Maybe I should just try to embrace the incoming salt, seems to work for many
They are mad because I was better than them. I do think the game and community would be healthier if everyone understood and accepted the importance of map awareness and wouldn't get pissy about it. When I get thrown off, I get mad at myself for not playing better. No need to vent my frustration to myself into others.I'm not the only one!
Chronospherics
Member
At even moderate level of play we've hit a point where no one wants to attack eachother because attacking means getting parried or counter hit. The games balance issues aren't obscure or hard to detect. The mechanics of this game aren't so indepth that we can anticipate new tech to develop, shifting things around.
It's not that certain characters are unbalanced it's more that a certain style of play is unbalanced, passive, defensive play is overpowered and doesn't infer any risk. Therefore characters that mediate that in any way, end up on top. Assasins are harder to react to, they can more easily evade offensive options, the weird blocking mechanism that is supposed to make their guard more challenging, makes no difference.
If we say, compare Orochi to Raider, for instance. The Raider has NOTHING in his kit to open up the Orochi. The Orochi has no reason to do anything because he can merely parry or evade and punish every single approach the Raider has. It isn't difficult, because the Raiders approaches are slow and easy to react to.
The end result, is a Raider that doesn't attack, because every time he does he's punished for it. Now once you have your opponent playing passively, the Orochi is free to do whatever he likes. While not unavoidable, the Orochi's attacks are far more difficult to react to and evade, carrying much less risk to each approach. He's free to harass and the Raider has to essentially get lucky with a parry to get any chance of doing anything.
Marvel
could never
Yay! HahaI'm not the only one!
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
First priority is to complete 1k and 1.5k orders.
Next do domination until your eyes bleed.
I can get an entire rep level in a day just by doing domination.
Ah, you're talking of the dodge attack, not the doge itself ? Then those attacks are telegraphed as it's always the direction of the dodge.
Braag
Member
I once had a bot in 2 v 2 turn around at the start of the match, take the speed boost behind him and run all the way to the other side of the map to gank my mate then the two bots came after me together.
So yeah, they can be complete assholes.
Ordinaryundone
Member
Yeah I think it's very legitimate tactic to throw people to their deaths. The devs didn't put those ledges and fire in there by accident. Mind your surroundings and be aware of the map layout. But I've been off from multiplayer games for over a year now after 3k hours of Dota. Got really burnt out by all the hostility. Maybe I should just try to embrace the incoming salt, seems to work for many
All of my salt regarding ledge kills is usually more due to the dodgy throw techs than the concept itself. The way the game is now it's tricky to tech guard breaks consistently, which would be fine if missing one didn't guarantee 100% death in some situations.
I think a potential solution could be that hitting a ledge drains stamina as your character focuses to keep their balance. A lot, even, like a half a bar or more. You can only be thrown off the ledge if you run out of stamina. Ditto spikes, maybe have them do some damage to the player if they hit them with stamina like a normal hazard but insta-kill without. I'm fine otherwise with things like fires.
The guard break has to stay strong because right now it's pretty much the only thing keeping the game from being 100% defense oriented but it is tiresome that so many battles can be decided by "who pushed square at the wrong time?" Or maybe it's just that maps with insta-kill falls are a bit too common in Duel for my liking.
They also run away.
Now I get called out for using (a lot) of unblockable attack on Dominion. :I Like ofcourse I do, I don't want to gain them revenge by getting blocked. I'm playing with a class that seems to be considered weak, Raider. And yet I'm not supposed to throw people down or use the unblockable attack. How much do I need to gimp myself before people are happy.
Yeah while I'm no game dev, that suggestion doesn't sound that bad. But then those characters with strong throws should be buffed in other areas I think.
Do people still just stick to one character mostly? Personally I have 3 characters at prestige 1 atm. Probably taking Nobushi there next, I like to have some skill with all the different class types. I would get bored by playing with just one character constantly. The ones I've leveled are Raider at highest rank, then Shugoki and Peacekeeper.
Yeah while I'm no game dev, that suggestion doesn't sound that bad. But then those characters with strong throws should be buffed in other areas I think.
Do people still just stick to one character mostly? Personally I have 3 characters at prestige 1 atm. Probably taking Nobushi there next, I like to have some skill with all the different class types. I would get bored by playing with just one character constantly. The ones I've leveled are Raider at highest rank, then Shugoki and Peacekeeper.
Ordinaryundone
Member
Lose the game. Then they'll be happy.
Join the club.
just do what i do.....ignore them
JTCx
Member
I feel you on that as another Lawbringer player here. I especially have a hard time against Berserkers. They would constantly throw out dodge attacks making all your attempts at attacking worthless. If theyre good at mixing up their infinite chain, its a wrap it comes out so fast you're going to eat a couple of hits before you can block something.
Nerfing ledge kills would make me drop this game so fast. Not only are the hilarious even if you're on the receiving end, but they add an extra layer of stage awareness that you must have.
Err, it's like a fighting game. It's not supposed to work 100% of the time. The game is more mindgame based and I love it for it and that's one reason why I feel a lot of the complaints come from just not using Feint enough.
It won't work every time, but when you feint and an assassin goes for a dodge attack and you punish them...so good.
People don't like to lose and look for excuses. If anything hurts this game in the longrun, it'll be that. That's why DOTA / team shooters work, can blame other people
.And that's not saying the balance is 100%. It's not and never will be. The tiers are closer than people are giving it credit for, though, especially with the non 1%'ers (assuming people learn to feint
).
Marvel
could never
Fair enough, but the central problem still remains: this requires you play extremely passively and wait for them to make a mistake. If the player is smart and only dodges on reaction, you're screwed. Feints can only take you so far.
100% with you there. I really think insta-kills should only be possible on exhausted opponents. Hinging too much of every match on a single button press is just terrible. Feels bad to use and feels bad to get hit by. Can't even use light attacks to stop it in its tracks because you're always at a disadvantage on block, which means having to have perfect 100% bot-like reflexes to stop it entirely.
Doesn't feel good.
Hidden stance is pretty simple. Just use it like a dodge, it's got a ton of i-frames on activation. You can then follow up with an attack of your choice, or even just kick the opponent for a guaranteed stab follow-up.
Braag
Member
Worst is when the host ragequits and you get a network error message. Thanks to his ragequit no one gets exp/steel from that match.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
I just hit Rep 2 with her and its to retire and move on to someone new. My biggest problem playing her was being able to match my opponents direction...either im too old and my reflexes really suck or i just cant get used to her slow pole.
It can also be used for feints, which allows Nobushi to feint lights.
Lord Phol
Member
Thanks for the explanations! Will definetly try to use it more. I'm having a little bit of problem with her horizontal game but her pokes are so good.
Marvel
could never
I'm like this, can parry all the fast attacks no problem because of my SFV xp. But Shugoki and Kensei's overheard heavy I can't lol. Weird late timing with those.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Of all the things to complain about...it's really not that bad.
The game didn't give me new Orders. Mental note, don't have them all done and be playing at 4 am when it resets?
I had the standard, but not the selectable orders today and I went to bed before the reset. No idea what happened.
CommandThrower
Member
I wonder how many people have decided to grind co-op vs AI in order to level up their classes.
I just hit Level 2 Rep on my Shugoki, by grinding it out on co-op Dominion. I want new pretty looking gear!
I just hit Level 2 Rep on my Shugoki, by grinding it out on co-op Dominion. I want new pretty looking gear!
Marvel
could never
Likewise.
Also on a side note, I just bought some steel granted just the lowest pack but boy I never do that with games. That's how much fun I am having with FH. I just love it.
Marvel
could never
You parry his ass till he quits lol. Honestly most people high gear either suck or are mediocre in my personal experience.
I get fucking destroyed by the berserker and conqueror when they just flail around. Something about the tempo of their attacks I just can't grasp.