But who is avoiding Patreon due to people who make porn? They don't have advertisers, they aren't publicly traded, and they basically have a monopoly on this kind of service.
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Patreon updates Terms of Service to clamp down on adult content
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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But who is avoiding Patreon due to people who make porn? They don't have advertisers, they aren't publicly traded, and they basically have a monopoly on this kind of service.
homeworkfilms
Member
"they aren't publicly traded"
It is likely a step towards doing just that.
It is likely a step towards doing just that.
LordOfLore
Banned
This part
seems to be more about how you can still write about stuff that's already R rated.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Nice that they're taking a stand on this tbch.
And American capitalism continues to destroy people's art and livelyhood for the sake of greed.
Fuck our shitty puritanical culture.
Edit: it's also a pretty stupid reason considering Tumblr is thriving and it allows porn.
I understand it sucks for them but if I'm not mistaken there's others platforms to do it, and probably new ones will appear.
I'm just saying that at the end they are in their right to do this move if they feel it damages their image, or whatever reason they may have.
The hell do I know, but if they do this is not because they like to lose money, I would guess.
I think the problem with a lot of the alternatives is that a lot of banks have negative actions towards Adult Entertainment creators and Patreon allowed such artists to be paid more directly via paypal. Paypal on its own blocks transactions of Adult Entertainment Creators.
You can read more about that subject here: https://www.engadget.com/2015/12/02/paypal-square-and-big-bankings-war-on-the-sex-industry/
That was my thought as well.
If they were actually interested in totally killing their revenue, they would do something like actually enforce copyright law against the huge numbers of people who are mostly making their money of selling fan art of copyrighted characters.
No, not unless they depict any of the restricted content. At least that's my understanding. Until this point, Patreon has been highly supportive of adult content creators, they even managed to negotiate with PayPal to allow users to support creators using their services - something PayPal doesn't usually support.
I don't think Patreon is actively trying to edge out creators here, as much as they are trying to keep things neat and tidy. As far as I've known they've never really allowed or endorsed real pornography through the site. Them clamping down on certain fictional content (such as depictions of rape), is probably just a part of their mission to avoid trouble and controversy... still though this is where things get tricky. Have you ever seen hentai pictures before? Who is to say that that drawing of rough sex with a submissive looking figure is a consensual situation or not? What if one person views it a certain way, and somebody else another? I guess it'll be up to creators to very clearly state their intent before and after posting such things.
L4DANathan
Member
This sounded quite reasonable and fine until the "no sale of adult content" part. I can definitely understand it having to be behind a paywall and not the public page, but they're just coming off as UK government-level prudes with that.
Gentleman Jack
Member
I wonder how this would affect David Bull's attempt to create a modern print of Hokusai's The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife (nsfw to google that)
He definitely has a patreon, but now it seems that these rules would block him giving that as a reward for any tier of subscription.
He definitely has a patreon, but now it seems that these rules would block him giving that as a reward for any tier of subscription.
to be fair their terms seem pretty wishy washy. Just saying it gives them the right to determine on 'iffy' stuff. So essentially: things that get complain about enough to cause a ruckus=gone. Everything else I imagine is fine as long as they're making money and things are quiet.
It'll affect creators who want a dialogue/communication/interactivity with their consumers/patrons.
Clips4Sale/Manyvids are as far as I know For-Sale only websites, meaning customers have no say in which type of content is created. I may be entirely wrong about that though.
Iva Demilcol
Member
I was talking about the Japanese version of Patreon, many artists who released their work for free on Pixiv and sold doujin at events like Comiket moved to this service where you pay a monthly amount to support them, while westerners who did the same relied on Patreon.
Don't ask me for links though, I'm at the university at the moment
For the benefit of who?
radios shipping overview
Member
Damn, this is going to hurt Four Chambers and a lot of other similar folks.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
porn studios have parodied copyrighted characters for years without problem.
BattleMonkey
Member
Oh no the poor cosplay "models"
KraftyKrankins
Member
Suuure lol
The other possibility is that their payment processors are bitching. Either way, this sucks.
radios shipping overview
Member
I'm betting this has to do with either app stores or payment processors getting antsy. Or maybe Patreon wants to run ads on unpaid content, idk.
Why are people in this thread acting like folks making money off modeling for content on Patreon isn't a valid line of work 🤔🤔🤔
Why are people in this thread acting like folks making money off modeling for content on Patreon isn't a valid line of work 🤔🤔🤔
Trickster
Member
Maybe not the majority. But a pretty big chunk of it. Notice how many of those tabs on that site are labeled adult. They might not dominate the top 50 list, but there's A LOT of adult stuff on patreon
I was talking about the Japanese version of Patreon, many artists who released their work for free on Pixiv and sold doujin at events like Comiket moved to this service where you pay a monthly amount to support them, while westerners who did the same relied on Patreon.
Don't ask me for links though, I'm at the university at the moment
Do they have a Western version of that site? If not wouldn't all Adult Content from outside of Japan still have to follow Japanese law/restrictions re:censorship?
Trickster
Member
So rip everyone
Wow, damn. I did not know about this.
I'm actually having difficulty processing this. Why would they do this? Why go to these lengths to prevent people from making money with anything related to sex? I just can't understand the reasoning...
Iva Demilcol
Member
radios shipping overview
Member
At least Chapo is making more money than Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. Thank God.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Man they got shit thats not adult content on patreon? This is a revelation.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
There are a lot of artists, podcasts, gaming sites, etc. who make money on patreon.
It's not a blanket ban on adult content tho, just specific adult content while also giving stricter guidelines on allowed adult content.
VetrexKnight
Member
Damn I have an artist friend who is not happy about this it is going to effect them big time.
Advertisers perhaps? Easy to spin a negative outlook on a company by saying they process payments for some random weird porn website.
Giolon
Member
That list is sorted on number of patrons, not revenue. Before making her numbers private, Sakimichan, listed 18th in this list, was pulling in ~$46,000 per month, which is more than at least 8 of the Patreons listed above hers due to patron count.
Those aren't necessarily the top earners those are the ones with the most patreons. While those numbers are connected you can also see some big fluctuations despite almost the same amount of patreons
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Basically. Patreon will end up economically regretting this decision when another site swoops in and cleans up.
Like, it's absofuckinglutely ridiculous that Patreon members can no longer sell commissioned porn drawings. Tagging, obfuscation, etc, fine. But this is too far and a really, really dumb decision.
(For the record, I don't even visit Patreon, but this is still bullshit.)
I know of quite a few artists that have higher tiers for getting sketches, art, etc and these rules sound like this is banned now. What a disappointment, who is this even supposed to serve considering they are completely ad-free
prude
Stone Ocean
Member
Well that is completely stupid
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't know what you want me to do then
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That's pretty insane christ...
Earning correlates with the prices the individual sets for tiers hence that fluctuation, still, not a very big indication that they'd being taking a major loss.