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Calvero
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(02-13-2017, 10:46 AM)
oh wait, i forgot this was silver
faridmon
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(02-13-2017, 12:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

starting to feel helpless as a support. no matter great I do in lane and overall. there is always that one teammate who decides to feed their ass off or make bronze decisions.

I am just sitting here wondering how these people make the easiest mistakes and worst picks. thinking they are going to rekt.

You need to learn how to minimise ADC stupid decisions. Maybe play a sustain champ or a heavy peel champ such as Braum who have to baby sit ADC.
Hydrophobic
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(02-13-2017, 03:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Calvero

oh wait, i forgot this was silver

ADC in silver in 2017.
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 03:35 PM)
Can we do something about supports now?

I just love being exhausted and Janna/Zyra/Malz ulted soon as I go in. Totally fun with lots of counter play lul kek xd
Leezard
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(02-13-2017, 03:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ever

Can we do something about supports now?

I just love being exhausted and Janna/Zyra/Malz ulted soon as I go in. Totally fun with lots of counter play lul kek xd

That's like almost their entire job in teamfights though.

I don't think assassins/tanks/divers have it too hard right now, lots of meta picks and bans belong to those classes.
zkylon
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(02-13-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Calvero



let's go

lmao

funny enough you had strong picks in every position

Originally Posted by Ever

Can we do something about supports now?

I just love being exhausted and Janna/Zyra/Malz ulted soon as I go in. Totally fun with lots of counter play lul kek xd

get qss against malz ult/exhaust

counterplay is you finding the right moment to pounce

don't run in head first and expect great results if u have a defensive support with full summoners next to the carries
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 05:14 PM)
How dare you come up with constructive criticism to my complaining

Telling the mods tbh
faridmon
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(02-13-2017, 05:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ever

How dare you come up with constructive criticism to my complaining

Telling the mods tbh

There are champions you never engage head on.

Mal and Zyra are two of them. Janna and Braum are other..... In fact, you never just start engage against most supp champions because that is their job, to peel their adc and give them advantage to nuke you down.
killatopak
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(02-13-2017, 05:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by 23qwerty

mages can build zhonyas if they really want to though

Yeah rylais/roa too for hp. And abyss for mr.

They have ways to reduce burst while adcs have none. Except maybe for those that use bc/mercurial.
BreezyLimbo
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(02-13-2017, 06:00 PM)

Originally Posted by killatopak

Yeah rylais/roa too for hp. And abyss for mr.

They have ways to reduce burst while adcs have none. Except maybe for those that use bc/mercurial.

Adcs already have a whole player dedicated to protecting them

What more do you want lol
faridmon
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(02-13-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by killatopak

Yeah rylais/roa too for hp. And abyss for mr.

They have ways to reduce burst while adcs have none. Except maybe for those that use bc/mercurial.

They need to git gud

lol
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by BreezyLimbo

Adcs already have a whole player dedicated to protecting them

What more do you want lol

I want them to keep lethality as it is, or if they nerf lethality give ADCs their own item to compensate.
TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 06:56 PM)
I just lost a game against some bronzes because my jungler who has a great win rate on jungle Kha and Noct decided "you know what how about I play graves for the first time in ranked"


why do these people dictate my games.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tburgs
Envelope
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(02-13-2017, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

I just lost a game against some bronzes because my jungler who has a great win rate on jungle Kha and Noct decided "you know what how about I play graves for the first time in ranked"


why do these people dictate my games.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tburgs

Naota is gonna beat us both to gold :(
TheFlow
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(02-13-2017, 07:01 PM)

Originally Posted by Envelope

Naota is gonna beat us both to gold :(

I swear mane. I may have to find a good adc and start duoing. which I hate.
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 07:19 PM)
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From the one game I duoed with you on my smurf, here`s some things you can improve on 7flow.

1. Play more aggressive. Especially on champions like Nami, you can get really big leads in botlane during the early game. This means running up and using W whenever it`s off cooldown, constantly harassing with autos and procing your spellthief.

2. Learn to push and maintain your leads. If you have a decent lead in botlane, constantly try to extend this lead. That means force 2v2 fights, set up pink wards for ganks, setup tower dives with your jungler. If you`re ahead and your mid is behind, it`s sometimes I bad idea to group with your team.

3. Don`t do dumb roams. This isn't LCS where you're two levels behind the ADC. Everytime you roam, you're essentially losing XP and gold. Try not to roam unless the minions are pushed up to their tower, or you're guaranteed to get kills or assists. Remember that everytime you roam, that means your ADC is either going to get zoned or all-inned if they try to farm. By roaming you're slowly killing the lead in your botlane, or putting you guys further behind.

4. ESTABLISHMENT. I put this in caps because this is something I see supports esp in gold and silver constantly mess up. When you both back and you're returning to lane, don't go into the river or their jungle to ward. If you do this, the enemy botlane will push into tower and you will lose total control over your lane. Remember that a pushed lane is good for you because that means that you have control over the the enemy botlane and you're drawing jungle pressure (if you're setup to handle jungle pressure). Come straight to lane, ward the bushes near lane, and when you're well established in the lane is when you can leave to ward.

5. SYNCHRONIZED BACK. Another thing I constantly see supports mess up on. If you can, you want to always back at the same time. Now there's lots of exceptions to this rule, but usually it's most efficient for you to back and return to lane at the same time. If you desync your backs, you risk one of you dying or taking a whole bunch of harass, and losing lane control. Botlane is all about controlling the lane with minion management and ward placement, remember that.

6. POTIONS. Don't come to lane with no potions.

Originally Posted by TheFlow

I just lost a game against some bronzes because my jungler who has a great win rate on jungle Kha and Noct decided "you know what how about I play graves for the first time in ranked"


why do these people dictate my games.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tburgs

Also, 12 deaths is way too much, you should have the least deaths on your team as support.

Look at Ghost's stats from last season, even on champs he loses on, he has fairly high KDAs.


Originally Posted by Envelope

Naota is gonna beat us both to gold :(

Naota doesn't have the best mechanics, but he doesn't play like an Ape. I know this one Lee OTP who has great mechanics, but just plays like a Bonobo :^).
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 07:33 PM)
Just be a disgusting one trick. Hit Gold easy.
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 07:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ever

Just be a disgusting one trick. Hit Gold easy.

Then get your champ banned in inhouses :^).
Hydrophobic
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(02-13-2017, 07:37 PM)
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Newt, I meant to ask back on Friday but did you have any tips for me in the Jhin Lulu lane? Ignoring the fact that Ghost was being Chauster to Naota's doublelift.
TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 07:45 PM)
I had a bad game because I kept getting sniped by lux. That was easily my worst game of the season.

my nami is good but I can't dictate my team screwing me over every game. decided to stop playing support.

Out of 69 games with nami
3.45:1 KDA
1.3 / 5.6 / 18.1
57%
69 Played


I can't dictate my teammates diving into 1vs3 situations everytime. nor can I teach an adc to auto in teamfights instead of relying on spells.

I have played against gold players last season when I duoed with Fuzzery and we went undefeated over 6-7 games.

hell some of the loses I had with nami over the day or so I was the only one to get an s rank.
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 07:47 PM)
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Trust me, the role you're playing isn't the problem.

Those points I listed in my last post aren't just general stuff, it's stuff I've noticed you doing.

Originally Posted by Hydrophobic

Newt, I meant to ask back on Friday but did you have any tips for me in the Jhin Lulu lane?

Haha, I remember that game being rough, but I don't really remember the details.
TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 07:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Newt

Trust me, the role you're playing isn't the problem.

true. teammates is my problem right now.
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 07:51 PM)

Originally Posted by TheFlow

true. teammates is my problem right now.

...
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 07:51 PM)
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And he's switched to tilt mode ADC.

I pray for you my friend...
Peanut Butter
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(02-13-2017, 07:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

true. teammates is my problem right now.

TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 07:58 PM)
Lol better than support
Edwardo
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(02-13-2017, 07:59 PM)
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I think one of the biggest things is playing around your team. In my experience, you have to be flexible if you want to do well. Sometimes you sync with a lane partner and/or the rest of our team, but other times they're just going to do what they want because that's how they see the easiest way to win. Just go with the flow of the game and your teammates.
Shmuppers
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(02-13-2017, 08:03 PM)
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If you're that serious about climbing pick up kha'zix or hec and jungle until you're gold

the elo is just there for you to take

you start getting semi-competent ad's around high gold-low plat
TheFlow
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(02-13-2017, 08:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Shmuppers

If you're that serious about climbing pick up kha'zix or hec and jungle until you're gold

the elo is just there for you to take

you start getting semi-competent ad's around high gold-low plat

Will do
Terbinator
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(02-13-2017, 08:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Calvero

that's regular ping tho. no one has any less than that, right? just not possible

Lol. I have 22ms here, did have 12ms when I lived at my Mums.
Shmuppers
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(02-13-2017, 08:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

Will do

Prioritize Hec though. Kha is strong but he's more risk/reward

Hec has a little more utility and people will focus you in low elo b/c xd
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 08:08 PM)
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Blood moon is super good for leveling your account, but then you have to play blood moon.
Shmuppers
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(02-13-2017, 08:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Newt

Blood moon is super good for leveling your account, but then you have to play blood moon.

I might do that then. Is Kha playable in that mode?

Originally Posted by TheFlow

Damn khan is ridiculous right now

TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 08:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Shmuppers

Prioritize Hec though. Kha is strong but he's more risk/reward

Hec has a little more utility and people will focus you in low elo b/c xd

Damn khan is ridiculous right now
Hydrophobic
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(02-13-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shmuppers

I might do that then. Is Kha playable in that mode?




Yes he is. And blood moon isn't that bad. There's like almost no strategy to it, but whatever.
Peanut Butter
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(02-13-2017, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

Damn khan is ridiculous right now

If Rengar somehow slips past pick/ban, I'd suggest taking him over Kha'Zix and Hecarim.
TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 08:22 PM)
just lost to a 29/2 kha. hory shit.

Originally Posted by Peanut Butter

If Rengar somehow slips past pick/ban, I'd suggest taking him over Kha'Zix and Hecrim.

tyring him out now
Stone Ocean
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(02-13-2017, 08:29 PM)

Originally Posted by TheFlow

true. teammates is my problem right now.

Your teammates are completely out of your control. Enemy teams get the same roll of dice off the bag of morons as you do so the faster you accept that and only worry about your own play the faster you get better and actually climb.
Newt
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(02-13-2017, 08:31 PM)
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The only time you can control what happens with your team is in champ select.
Peanut Butter
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(02-13-2017, 08:37 PM)
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*Teammate hovers Yasuo*

"No cure for fools..."

WTF WHY U BAN MY YASUO AFK GG ENJOY LOSS KYS NOOB FK YOU DIE STUPID BRONZIE
Leezard
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(02-13-2017, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheFlow

I had a bad game because I kept getting sniped by lux. That was easily my worst game of the season.

my nami is good but I can't dictate my team screwing me over every game. decided to stop playing support.

Out of 69 games with nami
3.45:1 KDA
1.3 / 5.6 / 18.1
57%
69 Played


I can't dictate my teammates diving into 1vs3 situations everytime. nor can I teach an adc to auto in teamfights instead of relying on spells.

I have played against gold players last season when I duoed with Fuzzery and we went undefeated over 6-7 games.

hell some of the loses I had with nami over the day or so I was the only one to get an s rank.

57% winrate with 69 games is great, just stick with that and you will climb in a decent pace.
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 08:54 PM)
EoN -> Ghostblade -> Flash -> W -> R -> Tiamat -> AA -> E -> Ignite -> Q -> AA -> E -> Flash Mastery
zkylon
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(02-13-2017, 09:15 PM)
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climbing just takes time

if you're consistent and win more than you lose you'll eventually get there

even if ur placements go really wrong or you lose ten games in a row, eventually statistics take over and that 51% winrate takes u to where u belong

and in the long run it's never ur team mates cos you're the only common factor among all those hundreds of games. be more aggressive, more consistent, less dumb, get rid of bad habits, have good map awareness, don't flame, don't play yasuo
Calvero
Banned
(02-13-2017, 09:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Newt


Naota doesn't have the best mechanics, but he doesn't play like an Ape. I know this one Lee OTP who has great mechanics, but just plays like a Bonobo :^).

Kiss yourself. But seriously can someone tell me how I can instalock Enve on Lee every game.
And how do I improve mechanix noot
Actually how do I play this game in general,my abilities don't work. seriously though give me advice

Originally Posted by Terbinator

22ms.

gg
TheFlow
Banned
(02-13-2017, 09:26 PM)
hec is fun but takes a while to to ramp up.

went 5/9/23 and won game. felt good
Ever
Banned
(02-13-2017, 09:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Terbinator

Lol. I have 22ms here, did have 12ms when I lived at my Mums.

Lucker. I usually sit around high 50s.

Going from 37 (uni) to 59 (home), I could feel the difference.
Talents
Banned
(02-13-2017, 10:09 PM)
I don't know what people expect when you tell them in champ select that you prefer any role to the one you got filled into and then they say it'll be fine. You proceed to be useless/feed and they rage? Like just give me any other role in champ sel;ect then?
Orochinagis
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(02-13-2017, 10:11 PM)
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Because they know only one lane and one champ
zkylon
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(02-13-2017, 10:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Talents

I don't know what people expect when you tell them in champ select that you prefer any role to the one you got filled into and then they say it'll be fine. You proceed to be useless/feed and they rage? Like just give me any other role in champ sel;ect then?

they expect u not to feed i guess

but that's harder than it looks lol
Talents
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(02-13-2017, 10:15 PM)

Originally Posted by zkylon

they expect u not to feed i guess

but that's harder than it looks lol

I legit can't jungle. Tried learning it at the start of the season and have like a 30% win rate with it.

Ivern invaded my blue level 1 so I went to take his and I got 4 man gang banged level 2. FeelsGoodMan.

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