Agree. 78 is 4 star out of 5, so how can that be meh? Is just a perception problem
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NPD Sales Results For February 2017 [Up1: For Honor highest LTD game of 2017 so far]
Agree. 78 is 4 star out of 5, so how can that be meh? Is just a perception problem
Colin Moriarty said it was going to bomb and we all know he's always right so must be some kind of mistake
Vegetable Lasagna
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Rainbow 6 Siege is truly the best shooter to come out in years. Glad it has been a success.
Boombloxer
Member
You are still wrong. I was going to correct you, but someone already did:
So again, your feeling is not what's actually happening in the market.
mckmas8808
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DUDE! Gotta say, you are super engaging and one of the best people on GAF. Thanks for all you do.
Primethius
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pharmboy044
Member
They don't.
PR then?
Obliterator
Member
Happened last week. Only thing we got was PS4 led the month.
I don't what it is with people, especially people who reports on games, making sales predictions or downplaying sales numbers based on their personal level of interest in a game.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Colin and others also said that the PS3/Xbox360 era would be the end to all consoles and that the "next-gen" era would fail hard. That and that E3 should be abolished (they started saying this about 10 years ago)
I have ZERO idea why he and some others are so negative toward the industry that they report on so much.
Ah ok. I missed that. The prediction thread seems a bit pointless.
EventHorizon
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The problem is that a 100 point scale and a 5 star scale have not been used in mathematically equivalent ways. For example, traditionally a 3/5 has been used to identify average while it's mathematically equivalent 50/100 represents failing. Trying to directly equate the two rating systems is just wrong.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No a 3/5 would be a 60% or 60/100 equivalent.
From a discussion standpoint no, but trying to win the monthly prediction sure
Obnoxious sarcasm at multiple posters and yet you agreed that it's an ip in decline anyway? Good talk.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
They are somewhat right about E3. Most journalist have repeated the same opinion. The convention is getting smaller and less important compared to others.
lowhighkang_LHK
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Nioh breaking the top 10 even without it's digital revenue counted is pretty impressive.
lowhighkang_LHK
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I have a feeling the digital split for Nioh is actually higher than average due to the stock issues. And when you consider that the Deluxe Edition was digital only.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
47% is really strong but it's not mind blowing and not the highest for the month
Holy shit, that's a high digital share. So, this means
Nioh total sales - 230,000
Nioh digital (47%) - 108,000
Nioh retail (53%) - 122,000
I'm wondering how much did Halo Wars 2 sell, then.
The Last One
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47%? It's kinda mind blowing =p
Moon Presence
Member
Anything with a Ubisoft logo does pretty well, it's almost case study worthy.
EventHorizon
Member
No, a 3/5 would be 50.5% on average but it's silly to go to that level of precision on a 5 unit scale. Therefore I said 50%.
- 1/5: 1-20%
- 2/5: 21-40%
- 3/5: 41-60%
- 4/5: 61-80%
- 5/5: 81-100%
Meanwhile the 5 point rating system has always been defined to directly measure quality with a 3/5 being defined as average. So directly mathematically mapping one scale to another ignores what the scales mean to most people. That in turn makes the result of such a combination...say it with me....silly.
KawabataSan
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Anything from the top 5 third party publishers does well.
I mean considering it doesn't have a PC release to bolster digital sell through like For Honor I'd say that's incredibly high. It's clear Sony's shipment fell far short of meeting demand. which doesn't suppose me sinceif your figures are right they probably shipped something around 125k copies to retailers despite having successful Alpha, Beta and Last Chance Demos that proved there was at least a moderately high demand for the game. Hopefully the demand for the game keeps up and it has some legs as more stock starts hitting stores.
Primethius
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I think the Alpha, Beta and Last Chance demos are particularly the reason the game was undershipped. I think, while it's a different market, you can draw that conclusion by looking at the Japanese preorder numbers and what it actually launched to. It was expected to open at around 40k given pre-launch demand (pre-orders which are influenced by alphas/betas) but actually ended up selling far more and launched to 72k due to, I would wager, strong word of mouth immediately post launch.
Khalifa Jayy
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That actually looks pretty sick. It's on my radar now!It's a fighting game presented as a third person action game.
The main mode is a 4v4 territory control game (plus a ton of AI units) where you duel as Knights, Vikings, or Samurai is a fairly indepth melee combat system with lots of fighting game mechanics baked in.
There's full 3D movement like you'd see in any other third person game like the Souls series of whatever.
There are also 1v1 and 2v2 duel modes that are a bit more like joining a fighting game match.
Edit:
This might help visualize it:
Got it,
Primethius
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Fair warning: as an owner of the game, I'd suggest waiting for a patch or two. The game makes Rainbow Six Siege look like a polished experience at the moment.
Oh yeah and Zelda too.
I think it would be mind blowing depending on the game. This game was undershipped and it had good word of mouth, so itd be expected that people would buy it digitally because they wanna play it
hanspampel
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i don't think that is how it works in any significant numbers
when you want to buy digital, you buy digital
if you want to buy physical, you want to buy physical.
a person who want to buy phsyical in the first place and can't find a copy, doesn't seem to be the kind of persons who would switch to digital in that case, just because they need to play the game immediately that desperate
NIHO just attract a very hardcore customer base with high digital penetration.
Just like Bloodborn and and Souls games
Wasn't Bloodborn the highest ever launch Digital Attachrate on Ps4 in Japan?
It was certainly at that time. Not sure if still
the 230,000 units includes digital? I thought it was physical only, still a quarter million in the us is nothing to scoff at
Um, wouldn't 50% be 2.5/5 stars (though I guess that would be a 10 point scale)? I don't think that when reviewers are rating things based on stars that they are doing it with ranges of percentages in mind.
Welfare
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I don't think there was any specific marketing deal in place with Xbox and PS4.
Also yeah, the amount of games on PS4 (barely more) compared to Xbox has no effect on third party sales.
Why wouldn't 3rd party games always sell more on Xbox if it were a matter of "PS4 gamers have too much to play"? There was a reason Xbox lead sales for this specific game but what that is not known.
I mean the US and U.K. Don't always match up 1 for 1. They're similar but they do diverge. Like for example I'm assuming that Ghost recon would have a split that slightly favors the PS4 in the U.K., but id thinki it would be much more skewed towards the Xbox in the US
Primethius
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I don't think you can say that more games have no effect on third party sales. It's likely that those extra games didn't have a notable impact on the PS4 share of For Honor but without sales numbers (aka, what exactly is "significantly more on XB1") that seems a bit too speculative.
The gap matters and while stuff like Nioh isn't a huge title, Horizon did release later in the month (with a fairly early embargo).
I was really hoping to see Yakuza 0 break the top 10 for PS4, it's truly an incredible game. I hope it's selling above expectations regardless.
I am glad to see Nioh sold very well though. It's a great spin on the Dark Souls formula and the combat just plays sooo well. I'm surprised sales are down compared to February 2016. The first quarter of 2017 has been insane with top quality releases.
I am glad to see Nioh sold very well though. It's a great spin on the Dark Souls formula and the combat just plays sooo well. I'm surprised sales are down compared to February 2016. The first quarter of 2017 has been insane with top quality releases.
Primethius
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It's likely above expectations but it is still a super niche game.
Who said it sold "alot more"? Also did they mean alot more in actual units or alot more than expected due to the hardware difference?
MatPiscatella
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One correction, thanks to Sam Naji for setting me straight:
... is incorrect.
As of now, digital sales of 1st party published games are excluded from both the total spend calc as well as individual title rankings.
Yep, finding people is very difficult. The pull of mobile and independent development has lured away some great talent that would otherwise be making games.
And in regards to the money... the money is definitely there, it's just that risk aversion is still the rule of the day. So, lots of money is around, but getting $50 or $75 or $100 million to make a new IP approved is a tough and lengthy process.
But yes I'd agree that, given how long dev cycles have gotten, the people problem is a big one.
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... is incorrect.
As of now, digital sales of 1st party published games are excluded from both the total spend calc as well as individual title rankings.
Yep, finding people is very difficult. The pull of mobile and independent development has lured away some great talent that would otherwise be making games.
And in regards to the money... the money is definitely there, it's just that risk aversion is still the rule of the day. So, lots of money is around, but getting $50 or $75 or $100 million to make a new IP approved is a tough and lengthy process.
But yes I'd agree that, given how long dev cycles have gotten, the people problem is a big one.
Hey thanks! Posters in these threads have given me great ideas and are very sharp, I'm just trying to give back as much as I take.
UberTag
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Ghost Recon is going to absolutely slay next month.
The tears will be glorious
People need to stop underestimating Ubisoft's marketing machine.
They're the Jerry Bruckheimer / Michael Bay for the gaming industry.
Everything they make is a license to print money irrespective of its quality.
They make fun sandboxes for people to play with other people. And they do it better than anybody else.
Enthusiasts should be happy we have so many games from talented developers that aren't employing the Ubisoft game development model to spend their time and money on.
There's a reason why most games are typically crammed into the 4th quarter instead of the 1st.
We may be swimming in riches of game quality but a lot of these 1st quarter gems aren't selling at the same high pace as their Metacritic scores.
Incidentally, this is also why concerns about Microsoft's poor Q1 output are overblown.
There is not only Sony on the market. Glad to be multiplatform, I understand this statement as made initially for gaming in general, not only what Sony let releasing on their platform, especially that these are not stellar titles. I, too, feel that in general, we don't have a good QUALITY mix of everything. We have everything, but not much quality. I personally would not call Wipeout a good Arcade Racer...F-Zero clone wanna be is what I find it is here. It's not that it's super bad, but I get the feeling that it wants too much to be like F-Zero and that makes it fail miserably each time with every iteration they come up with.
Exploratory
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Or they just make fun games. Every part of Wildlands marketing made me not want the game. I rented it because a friend convinced me and I loved every second of it.
Clear
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"Most" games aren't though. Subtract the big annual franchises and its pretty ordinary for releases. Because its the most challengingly competitive quarter for anything but the behemoths.
What's noteworthy too is that with these heavy-hitters being multi-platform for the most part, its when the big third-parties are making their biggest revenue gains of the year, and by extension so are the console platform-holders with their residuals from licensing.
In simple terms, when the big parties are already shaking the money tree, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to get in their way.
Q4 is harvest season, Q1-Q3 are when seeds are sown for the future. Slack release schedules outside of Q4 basically shows a lack of vision in terms of future growth.
theprodigy
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31% is somewhat inexact, +/-0.5% is like a 130k difference