no but sonic has drop dash. Press and Hold Jump in midair to rev up once and when you land sonic will spindash in that direction instantly.
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Sonic Mania - Pre-Order Trailer (out August 15th)
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no but sonic has drop dash. Press and Hold Jump in midair to rev up once and when you land sonic will spindash in that direction instantly.
Sonic is designed to be a one-button game.
That, and making you stop to do a spin-dash is how they balance it, otherwise why would you not spin dash over and over forever? Generations's spin dash is hilariously broken in part because of this.
Triforce141
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It could've been like in Sonic Adventure 2 where you had to hold down the button for an entire second before Sonic starts revving up and you wouldn't go far if you barely charged it
But you know the whole 1 button gameplay never hampered my experience with S3&K, it's just personal nitpick.
I still need to find one of these, and Steam has support for custom bindings with all kinds of controllers, DirectInput devices like the USB Saturn Pad included, so I don't see why you couldn't use it with Sonic Mania
Nocturnowl
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The spindash isn't meant to be used that way, and not understanding that has contributed to the poor design of Sonic games over the past 24 years. The spindash is meant for when you mess up or otherwise do something that makes you stop. If you're keeping your speed why would you need to use a move that is meant to get you up to speed? You're already going fast. And if you're already going fast you just press down and you roll. If you roll down hills you go even more fasterer.
The idea that the games are about going fast is marketing bs, anyway, that Sega themselves unfortunately bought into.
Balancing the spindash was absolutely an issue in the Adventure games. If you've ever seen a speedrun of either Adventure game, it basically consists of spindashing for as much of a level as possible.
Yup. Spindash in classic Sonic is a "I lost all my momentum for some reason and want to get some back" mechanic, not a "gotta go fast" mechanic.
sixteen-bit
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Anyone ask if the Sega Saturn USB pad should be recognized with the PC version. Definitely going to play it with that on Day 1 if it's feasible!
I hope it is. I guess there's always 3rd party software if not.
IronicSonic
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The hilariously broken spindash in Generations is basically a band aid trying to cover up the atrocious rolling physics of that game.
Till this day physics on classic Sonic are so perfect. So natural.
IronicSonic
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I hope so. The Taxman version of CD is generally very impressive, but his take on the special stages was unplayably different and fast compared with the original version...and I could do them effortlessly on the MCD because the power is in my mind to save the planet and conquer tiiiiiime
I didn't have a problem with his special stages - they mostly just play at 60fps instead of, like, 15 fps on the original.
Speaking of unplayably different and fast, though, the Sonic Gems Collection port of CD upped the framerate without compensating gameplay logic to match, which... well:
https://youtu.be/VwKs6b8BIvI?t=263
The hilariously broken spindash in Generations is basically a band aid trying to cover up the atrocious rolling physics of that game.
I wonder what makes the classic physics so difficult to recreate...assuming there was an attempt made to recreate them in modern sonic games with classic sonic mode. I thought at this point people pretty much knew games like the classic sonics and mario world inside an out by now.
IronicSonic
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I think recreate physic is not that difficult. Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 3D Blast Bonus Stage emulte classic Sonic physic just fine.
I'm sure Taxman can recreate the classic physics in a 3D world aswell.
Why Sega dont do that, IDK
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Do we know about Switch performance?
I want native 720p/locked 60fps when in handheld mode. If that's the case, I'll do it for Switch.
If not, I guess I'll go PC.
I want native 720p/locked 60fps when in handheld mode. If that's the case, I'll do it for Switch.
If not, I guess I'll go PC.
Mr. Smiley
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Alright. I remember one button spin dash had quite a few fans so I may have thought it was added in based on that.
I liked it in Generations but the point was made on how it was there to account the level design and weird rolling physics that game had. Certainly not torn up about it.
Can't see why the system would be incapable of hitting those specs, as Sonic Mania doesn't look like a taxing game.
Look at the game and then think about the power of the Switch. You shouldn't have anything to worry about
NoKisum
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I figured as much, thought I'd give it a shot. I'll probably just cancel the collector's edition then.
Anyone got info on the vinyl for us Americans?
CampbellzSoup
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The collectors edition reeks of overpriced junk...if there was a physical with it I might be able to stomach the CE price...
Avenger54321
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This game is going to be amazing. 23 days GAF, we're almost there.
Considering a multitude of fan games and even Sonic Advance 1 made by DIMPS (the guys that brought us the horrible physics ala Sonic Rush) got it right I think it's more that they just don't care. Dimps made an awful physics engine for Boost Sonic cuz why would you ever roll with Boost Sonic? And then those physics infected every game made after.
Elfforkusu
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Part of the depth of classic sonic comes from the subtly different physics when rolling. Acceleration is different (downhill, doesn't respect inputs so much), jumping is different on slopes. And obviously you don't have to worry about enemies as much. If you can insta-spindash it makes the tradeoff pretty pointless.
They said they were just spitballing depressed Eggman and not that it's what they're going with, iirc.
Celcius
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So Sonic 4 has been basically retconned?
AlexFlame116
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Should I just cancel my Switch CE and just get the standard digital edition? What do you guys think?
Mania basically acts as if that game doesn't exist and so much the better.
CampbellzSoup
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Can't they just totally rename sonic 4? Who green lit that and oversaw that game? Horrible.
RomanceDawn
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According to the Mania panel yesterday this weekend is the only time to preorder the special addition vinyl.
I live in the US and preordered the special and the blue. So yes, order it now while you can, it will cost international shipping to get it to America but it's reasonable.
Dead End Irony
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I'll never forget staying up till like 3AM for the game to release on XBLA. First 5 minutes of me playing was the most deflating shit since I'd kept myself in the dark prior to the release. Then the game had like 3 stages or something. Just garbage.
Ristifer
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I had a similar experience, but I kept trying to convince myself that it was actually good. Needless to say, I failed, and decided it was a piece of shit.
It was pretty annoying how badly they flopped with Sonic 4. It's frustrating just saying "Sonic 4" as a major fan.
sixteen-bit
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That must've sucked.
balladofwindfishes
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Given the different nature of this game's dev team, I wonder how future games will handle callbacks to this game
Like Smash Bros or another Generations style game. Would they add Mania music to Sonic and Mario Olympics?
Like Smash Bros or another Generations style game. Would they add Mania music to Sonic and Mario Olympics?
It's not that they are difficult to recreate, it's that they don't want to. Modern Sonic games like Generations are more focused on the cinematic aspect and taking control away from the player in many instances, not just the long stretches but minor things like tunnels, springs and small hills are "scripted". Having physics like the originals would require more from the player and the idea in many of the modern games is to propel the player forward - as in the right direction - regardless of what the player is actually doing.
I imagine that all hinges on success. Given the amount of attention it's getting now they'd be stupid not to acknowledge it in future games.
But they gave the crossover attention freely to Sonic 4 and we know how that turned out so...
Hitlersaurus Christ
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I can see the dev team making a Mania sequel then moving on. As much as they love Sonic, I can't imagine any of them want to be stuck making iterations of the same franchise forever. Coincidentally, I think that's why Sonic Team keeps trying to change things up. Taking what people like from one game and making it again and again might result in better games but it's creatively limiting.
They even had a Sonic Chronicles reference in one of the Mario&Sonic games, I'm sure they'll reference Mania. Hell, Sonic Forces already is using the spring animation and drop dash.
I'm guessing they're Act 2 bosses since Green Hill's first act boss wasn't one.
This would be the first I've heard of drop dash in Forces, but that's cool if so.
They're not the bosses for every zone either, GHZ Act 2's boss is piloted by Eggman.
Triforce141
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It's probably revisted zones are Robotnik fights, new ones are Hard Boiled Heavies
TheAggroCraig
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Switch doesn't have preordering/preloading yet afaik. It'll likely be live mid-day (hopefully, if not sooner) on 8/15.
Tizoc
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Nice throwback.
These points are kinda putting Iizuka in a positive light, I've lately been of the impression that Iizuka was a bad influence on some games in the franchise this past decade :X
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