Principate
Saint Titanfall
It didn't sell well enough which is a fact otherwise Sega themselves would have made the sequel.
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PlatinumGames uploads videos of Bayonetta for development retrospective page
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It didn't sell well enough which is a fact otherwise Sega themselves would have made the sequel.
Both MGR2 and Legacy Collection ports to PC/PS4/XBO would have been relatively low risk and high margin releases that I'm surprised Konami haven't jumped on.
It's not surprising to see AAA publishers pull back as the console market stagnates over the next decade, but these seem like guaranteed profitability.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
You know, i had a bad day. Work sucked, commute sucked, was tired. But that vanquish tease and that glimmer of hope of more bayo (unlikely but just the thought of it) made it all go away. Today was a good day.
Spaced Harrier
Member
Wonderswan Color exclusive.
yet if its not on switch there will be a thousand posts
BOY I SURE WISH THIS WAS ON SWITCH
HM WHAT A WEIRD CHOICE OF PLATFORMS
ID LOVE TO HAVE THIS ON THE GO
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Bayonetta 1 was bundled with Vanquish (and it was awesome).
So what your saying is there would be salt either way.
For sure, and I absolutely have no idea what they are waiting on. Maybe they're waiting for the Kojima situation to cool down but that seems pointless. I don't even think the 360 HD Collection is BC on Xbone yet
Fatal Frame games sell really bad and yet Nintendo keep funding those.
It all depends on what they want to achieve with it.
Also very much doubting it'll be console exclusive.
frankie_baby
Member
I don't mean from a rights point of view i mean more from an asset quality point of view
Majukun
Member
that's because that was the era where if a game didn't sell 4 mln copies it was deemed "not worth investing"
also bayo 2 was canceled together with a plethora of other sega games when the company was restructured because it was bleeding money, and thy decided to focus on a few profitable franchises (football manager,sonic,total war)
so it wasn't specifically a bayo problem,otherwise the game wouldn't even made it to pre-production.
sega was ideed making the sequel,but then stopped funding it together with a lot more titles that got the axe in the same period.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Half the frame rate, half the price, I paid. Only fair.
DeuceGamer
Member
I think Switch is about as likely as X1.
Wesley-Sigma
Member
I don't want to get hyped for E3 again.
I have learned my lesson.
I have learned my lesson.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Indeed which is why it was put on indefinite hold and why the allowed Nintendo to fund the game because they had no plans of doing anything with it.
I would hope the initial success of the Switch emboldens them to finance fairly big projects like a Bayo 3.
Dark Cloud
Member
In conclusion Sega didn't see a reason to fund it in the end and Nintendo did. Glad we came full circle that Bayo 1 didn't do good to deserve a sequel from Sega.
Majukun
Member
i'm goging completely by memory really,but as far as i remember dmc 4 sold something like 1.7/1.8 mln copies on 2 consoles
that's the reason why capcom made DmC..the franchise was healthy but wasn't making incredible numbers
but it's totally possible i'm mixing stuff up,like i'm saying,i'm going on memory alone and we are talking about almost 10 years ago for dmc4 and 8 years ago for bayo 1
That reading comprehension.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Man if P+ announces Bayonetta 3, this really will be their year.
Nier Automata (possibly their best selling title ever if it dethrones MGR)
Bayonetta PC - definitive edition
Vanquish PC - definitive edition
Bayonetta 3? Lets go baybee!
Nier Automata (possibly their best selling title ever if it dethrones MGR)
Bayonetta PC - definitive edition
Vanquish PC - definitive edition
Bayonetta 3? Lets go baybee!
According to wiki DMC 4 sold over 3 million and that's before the recent ports.
"Contact doctor immediately if erection lasts more than 5 hours."
DMC4 sold 3 million after 8 years on PS3/360/PC.
It definitely did not sell 4 times what Bayonetta did.
Majukun
Member
again,pre summy intervention sega was going to make the game as far as we know.
sega after summy intervention was not willing to do it
present sega?i don't really know what is their stance in terms of publishing games at the moment..but since bayo 2 bombed,they are as likely as nintendo to fund the sequel, since there's no way that nintendo considers bayo2's number acceptable
Fatal Frame never sold well on Nintendo platform (even worse than bayo) but they funded them. Nintnedo loves having these core titles on their platform.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Im pretty sure that 3 million doesnt include the Special Edition sales either.
The reboot DmC did 1.9 million which is laughable because the whole reason Capcom wanted a reboot was because they werent happy with DMC4 sales.
Capcom isnt too different from Konami. A treasure trove of valuable ips with some of the worst decision making in the industry.
If I was in charge Id get them to revive their old arcade and sidescrollers like Megaman, Captain Commando and Ghouls n Goblins as $20 digital titles.
Five years of development. Less than 200k in its first six months.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Nintendo didn't overship Bayonetta 2 and the smash announcement probably increased awareness. A max very, very generous estimation would be 500k worldwide-ish.
What are you talking about because Bayonetta 2 wasn't developed for 5 years or anything near that. More like 2 years full development 3 if we're generous. and Nintendo didn't even fund all that.
Majukun
Member
i was wrong then,or maybe i just remembered the sales for only one consoles instead of 2,since i remembered more or less half that,my bad
still,my point was that bayo 1 's 1.2 mln were not amazing but definitely were not a flop,especially for a new franchise that wasn't a sony exclusive
DeuceGamer
Member
Do we actually know what Nintendo's expectations were or what it ended up selling? With the reprint, Smash DLC, Amiibo, and the fact that Nintendo may see value in funding these type of games that they don't traditionally make, I don't think we can say how Nintendo viewed it. Has there been comments that Nintendo had higher expectations or was disappointed in sales?
Edit: In the end I could care less as long as it comes but I don't think we can say one way or another what platforms it's likely to appear on.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I mean Fire Emblem was on the verge of death before Awakening turned it around and now its one of their biggest ips with multiple Fire Emblem games in the pipeline.
Its easier to just give up and bury another promising ip with potential but it takes time and effort to grow a series.
Edit: With her inclusion in Smash and amiibo on the way I dont think Nintendo is quite done with Bayonetta just yet.
To be fair a PC port of Bayonetta uses less resources and money than a new entry in the series.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Nintendo likes critically acclaimed games so that's it's strongest selling point in regards to Nintendo. They have no problem funding niche games.
Well it was a bit more than that. Especially when you had a giant dragon companion.
Scalebound, as a concept, is probably (sadly) extinct. At least for several more years.
At best, I'm hoping that Kamiya may take some ideas from that and stick on the backburner until the time is right. Hopefully, in a better realized form.
In the meanwhile, hopefully, he's had time to bounce back and prop up more ideas for other games. The times ain't been the same without another dosage of Kamiya's craziness in a game.
Nintendo usually doesn't talk much about sales expectations for their titles. I think the little blurb from last year about how BotW only needed to sell 2 million to be profitable is about as detailed as they've ever gotten.
The raw sales data of Bayo2 isn't the whole story. You also have to factor in how many Wii U consoles were bought because of Bayo2/W101, and how many of those Platinum fans then went on to pick up additional Wii U software.
Nintendo has that data; we don't. But given that she's been included in Smash Bros (which is probably also coming to the Switch), and Nintendo is known for funding sequels despite meager sales data, and we know that Platinum is doing something for the Switch, I don't doubt that Nintendo is/was bidding for Bayo3.
Maybe they didn't get it, but I'm confident that they want it.
Nintendo has that data; we don't. But given that she's been included in Smash Bros (which is probably also coming to the Switch), and Nintendo is known for funding sequels despite meager sales data, and we know that Platinum is doing something for the Switch, I don't doubt that Nintendo is/was bidding for Bayo3.
Maybe they didn't get it, but I'm confident that they want it.
Primethius
Banned
Making a late PC port also just doesn't mean much. Especially when it comes to some of these Japanese companies.