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TheSpoiler
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(03-21-2017, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by LincolnTunnel

Man, I'm really surprised this is still a thing people remember. There isn't a reason to modify those things because there was never any actual evidence for that theory in the first place. It was all just shit Vasili made up when he took over that old Street Fighter Plot Guide. The drama when that all fell apart was pretty great though...

Probably because I've memorized that plot guide through and through, but I just recently read about the Gen/Gouken being bunk. Whatta shame.
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Hour long Capcom Panel for Street Fighter 30th Anniversary.

April 1st, 2:30 - 3:30 PM

http://www.comic-con.org/wca/programming-schedule

Get an exclusive look at the latest news and updates surrounding the year-long celebrations of Street Fighter's 30th anniversary. Expect sneak peeks at all the products and titles being developed, updates on the Capcom Pro Tour, and a few surprises as well!

Next character reveal will probably happen here I'd imagine.
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(03-21-2017, 12:46 AM)
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Seems like the best time to announce a date for nostalgia costumes, with it being the anniversary and all.
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(03-21-2017, 12:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by King Awesome

Clearly Street Fighter V takes place in the 90's otherwise Ken would look like this:

Not gonna lie, would dig that as an alt costume for SFV
Village
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(03-21-2017, 12:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Reizo Ryuu

You don't decide the rules, .

I don't. I'm not capcom, ono or whoever is tasked with developing the lore side of street fighter.

However, I am using common terminology such as the idea of a retcon, one of the most common things in fiction nowadays along with the real world elements implemented in this game, like HD tv',s wifi, computers that look like they were made past the year 2002, cellphones and the internet, modern slang, modern cars, to suggest that things take place in a certain era. Which is an actual argument.

Unlike yours which is, which is the functional equivalent of " Well everyone dies so who cares" . I mean you aren't wrong, everyone dies and fiction is function. But if we are going to break things down argumentatively to concepts as broad as this, why even argue in the first place. Why are you on a forum, clearly you are set in your ways and you don't care enough to devise a reason beyond the most nothing " nothing matters" statements ever. So clearly you don't care enough to defend your own point, just to restate it. So what are we doing here. Unless you conceded that fiction and analysis of said fiction based on real world things do matter and are a thing, then you have to actually have an argument.
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Originally Posted by remz

Not gonna lie, would dig that as an alt costume for SFV

But then Ken would finally have a decent alt

Originally Posted by Scotia

Hour long Capcom Panel for Street Fighter 30th Anniversary.

April 1st, 2:30 - 3:30 PM

http://www.comic-con.org/wca/programming-schedule



Next character reveal will probably happen here I'd imagine.

Hey guys, Sakura and Sagat are coming very soon!


April fool's
Reizo Ryuu
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(03-21-2017, 01:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Village

Why are you on a forum, clearly you are set in your ways and you don't care enough to devise a reason beyond the most nothing " nothing matters" statements ever.

I never said nothing matters, you somehow constructed that argument when I replied to a very specific thing.
Your point about the cellphones "means nothing in fiction" because it doesn't proof that now suddenly it has to take place beyond that arbritrary date you felt comfortable with.
You just feel that way, I don't.
Because, as I've said before, fictional worlds with higher tech levels than the real world exist and aren't uncommon.
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(03-21-2017, 01:23 AM)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voOr17nc6MU

Just saw Vesperarcade's Alex update video. Season 2.5 really is Revert Fighter V for some characters. I knew it just from reading his changes, but seeing and hearing it being explained really emphasized how Capcom more or less screwed up massively with season 2 nerfs for many characters. Can't wait to see all the others because they'll give me insight into how nerfs and buffs for specific characters should impact the game. Otherwise I'd probably have very little idea what they did with characters like Vega and Fang.

Originally Posted by Scotia

Hour long Capcom Panel for Street Fighter 30th Anniversary.

April 1st, 2:30 - 3:30 PM

http://www.comic-con.org/wca/programming-schedule



Next character reveal will probably happen here I'd imagine.

Originally Posted by Bigg_Oggy

Seems like the best time to announce a date for nostalgia costumes, with it being the anniversary and all.

On the first of April? This is the perfect way to continue to troll Ibuki and Alex fans. I ain't even mad anymore.
TheSpoiler
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(03-21-2017, 01:32 AM)
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Season 2 just felt at odds with itself. Like the system changes weren't properly aligned with the character ones. 92 pages of patchnotes will do that do you, but 2.5 looks a lot better regardless.
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(03-21-2017, 01:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Probably because I've memorized that plot guide through and through, but I just recently read about the Gen/Gouken being bunk. Whatta shame.

Man, if you haven't taken the time to read through the Story Guide thread on the SRK forums you should. The drama gets pretty hilarious. If it helps, the original Tiamat version of the guide was largely accurate for the time. Everything Vasili added should be taken with a massive grain of salt. He really went nuts.
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Originally Posted by SolarPowered


On the first of April? This is the perfect way to continue to troll Ibuki and Alex fans. I ain't even mad anymore.

Does that mean you'll stop mentioning how you're unhappy with ___ about Alex!?
TheSpoiler
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(03-21-2017, 01:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by LincolnTunnel

Man, if you haven't taken the time to read through the Story Guide thread on the SRK forums you should. The drama gets pretty hilarious. If it helps, the original Tiamat version of the guide was largely accurate for the time. Everything Vasili added should be taken with a massive grain of salt. He really went nuts.

Oh god. I just caught some of the tail end of it.

And then someone else wrote 765 pages of mostly fan theories. Like Jesus Christ.
Village
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(03-21-2017, 02:02 AM)
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Yo i modded this remix of rogs from A3 theme over his normal theme, shit gets me hype every time I play him. For better or for worse


Originally Posted by LincolnTunnel

Man, if you haven't taken the time to read through the Story Guide thread on the SRK forums you should. The drama gets pretty hilarious. If it helps, the original Tiamat version of the guide was largely accurate for the time. Everything Vasili added should be taken with a massive grain of salt. He really went nuts.

That sounds like a fun way to stay up all night and catch up on a clusterfuck of bullshit you missed. That's the best shit when you didn't even know shit happened, its like walking through the ruins of a destroyed civilization
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Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Season 2 just felt at odds with itself. Like the system changes weren't properly aligned with the character ones. 92 pages of patchnotes will do that do you, but 2.5 looks a lot better regardless.

I'm still mad that they didn't revert v-reversal nerfs or increase white life's regeneration speed even slightly. I figured we'd get slightly faster white life recovery at the very least.
LincolnTunnel
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(03-21-2017, 03:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheSpoiler

Oh god. I just caught some of the tail end of it.

And then someone else wrote 765 pages of mostly fan theories. Like Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Village


That sounds like a fun way to stay up all night and catch up on a clusterfuck of bullshit you missed. That's the best shit when you didn't even know shit happened, its like walking through the ruins of a destroyed civilization

Street Fighter Lore is serious business, you guys. The arguments we have here are nothing compared to the shit on SRK or Capcom Unity. It's near Sonic the Hedgehog fandom levels of crazy.
Village
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(03-21-2017, 03:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by LincolnTunnel

Street Fighter Lore is serious business, you guys. The arguments we have here are nothing compared to the shit on SRK or Capcom Unity. It's near Sonic the Hedgehog fandom levels of crazy.

As a guy who likes and talks about sonic, i've seen much much worse than sonic lore talk. Comic book talk and Zelda talk make sonic look like a functioning congress, and sonic talk isn't really that bad. Now Sonic comic book lore talk, woo boy. That's .... that's a story time.

PTSD FLASHBACKS

One day I'm going to make a youtube video about that shit

I'll check it out though, you gotta link?
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(03-21-2017, 03:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Village

As a guy who likes and talks about sonic, i've seen much much worse than sonic lore talk. Comic book talk and Zelda talk make sonic look like a functioning congress, and sonic talk isn't really that bad. Now Sonic comic book lore talk, woo boy. That's .... that's a story time.

PTSD FLASHBACKS

One day I'm going to make a youtube video about that shit

I'll check it out though, you gotta link?

This is the thread, but I don't remember at what page the drama starts. It was sometime in 2013 if I remember correctly, but that thread goes back 15 years or so. Also, I'd love to see a video about Sonic lore drama. It sounds like it'd be hilarious. I don't have too much familiarity with Zelda talk outside of GAF, but most comic book discussions I've had online have been pretty mild. I think the craziest shit I've seen has been from Power Rangers fans, actually...
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Village
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Originally Posted by LincolnTunnel

This is the thread, but I don't remember at what page the drama starts. It was sometime in 2013 if I remember correctly, but that thread goes back 15 years or so. Also, I'd love to see a video about Sonic lore drama. It sounds like it'd be hilarious. I don't have too much familiarity with Zelda talk outside of GAF, but most comic book discussions I've had online have been pretty mild. I think the craziest shit I've seen has been from Power Rangers fans, actually...

Tag says 15 years ago

I was 9, jeeesh.

I've seen and gottten into wild comic discussions. Zelda talk is... its not a good time. As for sonic, its more so the comic, the games are ussually cut and dry as to what happens the worst you get into is someone not liking something or power level arguments. The comic book is, that shit is a conundrum wrapped in a mystery. So many questions, To put it briefly, there is a lot of shit that comic did that I am astounded they got away with before sega decided to force a hard reboot with rules onto them. But that's a story for a well annotated well researched commentary youtube video for another time.
Duress
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(03-21-2017, 04:33 AM)
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YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.
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(03-21-2017, 04:36 AM)
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Just faced Smug online in Ranked. It ended 2-1 for him. That was amazing; it's so obvious how facing players of that caliber on a regular basis would level a player up significantly.
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(03-21-2017, 04:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

Whoah calm down

Who hurt you

Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Just faced Smug online in Ranked. It ended 2-1 for him. That was amazing; it's so obvious how facing players of that caliber on a regular basis would level a player up significantly.

So what you are saying is, we all need to train at a 100x normal gravity.
Bigg_Oggy
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(03-21-2017, 04:42 AM)
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This game needs a guilty gear style respect button.
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(03-21-2017, 04:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

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(03-21-2017, 04:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

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Originally Posted by Village

So what you are saying is, we all need to train at a 100x normal gravity.

Sure, that's the feeling. It's why I've wondered if playing the game on 2x speed and then returning to the normal speed would improve your reactions.

My match was streamed, it seems. There was a particular Nadeshiko setup I messed up twice due to nerves.

Gotta get to Master rank soon... then I'll be able to play against people like this more often.
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Originally Posted by King Awesome

If only there were a command based boxer in Street Fighter already.

You must be talking about Dudley. I had no idea he was command based.
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Originally Posted by spazchicken

You must be talking about Dudley. I had no idea he was command based.

Yup.
Xeteh
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(03-21-2017, 05:29 AM)
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So I haven't played SFV in forever but I'm really enjoying messing around with Kolin... I can totally see me being terrible with her but she seems fun.
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(03-21-2017, 05:33 AM)

Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

He needed to get a second taunt in.
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Originally Posted by Xeteh

So I haven't played SFV in forever but I'm really enjoying messing around with Kolin... I can totally see me being terrible with her but she seems fun.

yeah I haven't played for a while either and I suck ass again. oh well, learning.

Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Just faced Smug online in Ranked. It ended 2-1 for him. That was amazing; it's so obvious how facing players of that caliber on a regular basis would level a player up significantly.

should try and travel some flux, I bet you'd learn a lot and do pretty well yourself.
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Originally Posted by Zackat

yeah I haven't played for a while either and I suck ass again. oh well, learning.

Oh, I was garbage in the first place. I'm just more garbage now. Garbage Squared.
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Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

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(03-21-2017, 06:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Duress

YOU TAUNT ME AND I BEAT YOU! YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO REMATCH ME? FUCK YOU.

someone taunted me today with ryu while i was down to pixel life

"make your move!"

he then walked forward and immediately ate a crush counter > v-trigger > CA and lost like 60% health.

I still lost but it was funny
Village
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(03-21-2017, 08:38 AM)
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Had the Five Nights at Freddies Glitch happen to me , after a prematch load diconnect
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Originally Posted by Zackat

should try and travel some flux, I bet you'd learn a lot and do pretty well yourself.

Unfortunately not too easy for me to do, but I'll try to at least go to Toronto this year for stuff like Toryuken and Canada Cup.
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(03-21-2017, 11:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ryce

What's more likely...

A. The Street Fighter series doesn't have a set timeframe (like the overwhelming majority of similar media franchises)

Or

B. Street Fighter IV takes place during 1994 because you say so without proof and the characters use laptops and modern cellphones in 1994 because "lol it's fiction you guys"

?

C. Who really gives enough of a damn about Capcoms bad writing to care?
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Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Unfortunately not too easy for me to do, but I'll try to at least go to Toronto this year for stuff like Toryuken and Canada Cup.

you better carry me in the team tournaments if you coming up b

shit me and vulva. were a 2 man package
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I think SFV takes place in a futuristic version of the 90's - that's the best way of looking at it.

It doesn't matter a huge deal. The only interesting bits of the lore are the bits built up around certain characters. The setting is a generic and boring thing, which is why it makes no sense to waste huge piles of cash making a story mode. (In contrast, MK has a well-defined setting, so its story modes are more interesting.

BTW if folks care, I am running a livestream tonight my time on the topic of 'How to Lose to Ghandi' - or really about learning to adapt to opponents. Very difficult skill and something I am deficient at compared to most tournament players, so I want to explore getting better at it.

Should be on Beam, rather than Twitch.
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The SFV story mode changed my whole perspective on that stuff. It's better to not shine a light on it and try to see it as this coherent linear story. Because then it's pretty obviously just random garbage.
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The SFV story mode is frustrating because it is cliche and badly made.

The genuinely interesting bits of it dealt with emotion. Cammy talking with Chun. Rashid dealing with his friend's ultimately suicidal plan to foil Shadowloo.

The MOST OBVIOUS scene, of Guile meeting Nash and learning to let his friend's memory go so he can move on, is not in the story for no reason I can see.

Instead the story fumbles around with a cliche plot that has a number of absolutely baffling decisions. Bison dies at the end because of reasons. Ryu saves the day because of reasons. Lots of time is wasted on absolutely irrelevant nonsense.

The story mode should have been scrapped when Capcom recognised how high risk it was, or when the script came back as a cliche'd mess.
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(03-21-2017, 01:48 PM)
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anyone got a link to that Mei Kolin mod btw?
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Originally Posted by Huw_Dawson

BTW if folks care, I am running a livestream tonight my time on the topic of 'How to Lose to Ghandi' - or really about learning to adapt to opponents. Very difficult skill and something I am deficient at compared to most tournament players, so I want to explore getting better at it.

Should be on Beam, rather than Twitch.

That sounds really interesting.
Unfortunately I won't be able to watch live, since I am attending a concert tonight, but I'll try to catch the VOD.


EDIT: I actually liked the story because it was such a cliched mess, but I also enjoy watching bad movies.
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Originally Posted by Ucchedavāda

That sounds really interesting.
Unfortunately I won't be able to watch live, since I am attending a concert tonight, but I'll try to catch the VOD.


EDIT: I actually liked the story because it was such a cliched mess, but I also enjoy watching bad movies.

Yeah a lot of folks seem to have issues with watching live. I need to archive stuff on Youtube more...

It is not as if SFV is a bad movie though, it is actually deficient as a storytelling exercise. Doing a VN ala GG/BB would have been both cheaper and better!

It reminds me of SCV's story mode, except SFV attempts to use the entire Season 1 cast.
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Originally Posted by mnz

The SFV story mode changed my whole perspective on that stuff. It's better to not shine a light on it and try to see it as this coherent linear story. Because then it's pretty obviously just random garbage.

I've​ said this before but Street Fighter's lore seemed much more interesting than it actually is because everything was so vague and most of that information was gleaned from win quotes and a few sentences in characters' endings. And then filter that through a translation that may not be that accurate to begin with.

What people imagine is much more interesting than whatever Capcom could come up with. Take a look at Q. I love the character but his entire appeal is that he's a complete unknown. Delve into his back story and all he is a really shitty version of Balrog (with way better animations, granted).

The SFV story mode was about what I expected as the Alpha endings always made Street Fighter feel like G.I. Joe with a diverse group of heroes raiding the evil organization's base and blowing it up. But even by shitty anime standards it fell flat. Nash sacrificed himself by blowing up him and Bison but Bison doesn't have a scratch on him despite their being a battle damaged Bison costume already in the game! And Guile, whose whole story is "must find Nash", doesn't really give a shit he's dead again. As cliche as it is, they should have had him yell "CHARLIEEEEE!" while attacking Bison in a rage
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The Nash 'sacrifice' is clearly the greatest sin in the story mode, just garbage story telling. Not quite as bad (but worth mentioning) is how Necalli does NOTHING the whole story mode, except for getting owned. He think he just beats Ryu in the first fight. After that, it's just a string of losses for the rest of the story. I thought he was supposed to be something special!?
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I enjoyed story mode for what it was but there were so many missed opportunities for some awesome moments and to resolve some hanging story threads that it really dampened my overall enjoyment of it.

That being said, I'd rather they just kept to the classic arcade mode endings from now on.
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I think they should never make something like that again. Either have it be vastly different, like Asura's Wrath or something similar, or don't do it at all. Invest the money in real cutscenes for an arcade mode maybe, but not this.
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Originally Posted by LakeEarth

The Nash 'sacrifice' is clearly the greatest sin in the story mode, just garbage story telling. Not quite as bad (but worth mentioning) is how Necalli does NOTHING the whole story mode, except for getting owned. He think he just beats Ryu in the first fight. After that, it's just a string of losses for the rest of the story. I thought he was supposed to be something special!?

Born jobbers
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I'm still surprised Mike Ross and Gootecks didn't do a Let's Play of the story mode like they did with MKX.
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Originally Posted by Huw_Dawson

The SFV story mode is frustrating because it is cliche and badly made.

The genuinely interesting bits of it dealt with emotion. Cammy talking with Chun. Rashid dealing with his friend's ultimately suicidal plan to foil Shadowloo.

The MOST OBVIOUS scene, of Guile meeting Nash and learning to let his friend's memory go so he can move on, is not in the story for no reason I can see.

Instead the story fumbles around with a cliche plot that has a number of absolutely baffling decisions. Bison dies at the end because of reasons. Ryu saves the day because of reasons. Lots of time is wasted on absolutely irrelevant nonsense.

The story mode should have been scrapped when Capcom recognised how high risk it was, or when the script came back as a cliche'd mess.

I'm a fanboy so don't listen to me but I actually get the impression they went out of their way to make Chun look like shit.

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