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cj_iwakura
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(10-15-2011, 03:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jenga

AWWW SHIIIIIITTTT MUTHAFUCKA DUS DAT MEAN DEM PER SOHN AH MUTHAFUCKAZ CANT GO ALL WOOP WOOP IN DA SHIT

Swag.

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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

Swag.

AW HELL NAW BACK THE FUCK WHITE UP BOY WITH DA SOCIETAL LINKS AND DA SHADES AND DA PIMPIN IN MAH ES EM TEE
cj_iwakura
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http://shinmegamitensei.tumblr.com

Suffer as I have suffered.






I know this is blasphemy in these parts, but that image summarizes why I love Persona 3 more than 4. It's got a style that kicked down the doors of Persona 1&2, and went into something wildly different. It can't be faulted for innovation.
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SMT collection isn't exceedingly vast, but it's well-played and well-tended. Nocturne, DDS 1&2, Persona 3&4, Revelations: Persona, Devil Survior, and Strange Journey. I plan on rounding out my collection eventually, once my backlog shrinks a little. Can't wait for Survior 2 - so glad it's not a 3DS thing.

Subscribing to this thread. Item of discussion: What's the most difficult SMT game of the PS2 era? Keep it going!
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persona games = neutrality losers

smt games = chaos bros

i mean you guys don't even get a choice!
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Started Digital Devil Saga a week or so ago, have to get back into the swing of it and make a big push to finish it all. Was loving it, just needed a little break.
cj_iwakura
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Originally Posted by Deified Data

SMT collection isn't exceedingly vast, but it's well-played and well-tended. Nocturne, DDS 1&2, Persona 3&4, Revelations: Persona, Devil Survior, and Strange Journey. I plan on rounding out my collection eventually, once my backlog shrinks a little. Can't wait for Survior 2 - so glad it's not a 3DS thing.

Subscribing to this thread. Item of discussion: What's the most difficult SMT game of the PS2 era? Keep it going!

Raidou 1 on Devil Mode. Holy crap.


Without all that, I'd say Nocturne. Hardest to break, most rewarding when you do.
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Originally Posted by Deified Data

Subscribing to this thread. Item of discussion: What's the most difficult SMT game of the PS2 era? Keep it going!

I would say that it is probably Nocturne, both before having knowledge of how Press Turns and Buffs operate and after having that knowledge. Sure, all the SMT PS2 titles are pretty simple when knowing how important buffing truly is, but I still feel that Nocturne still pushes the challenge envelope with some key bosses (fucking Mot and his Beast Eye/Dragon Eye spamming).

On the games' highest difficulties, I think Raidou 1 takes the title by a long shot.
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(10-15-2011, 04:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by tetrisgrammaton

I'm pretty mixed on SMT.

I don't particularly like any of the Persona's. But Nocturne is one of my all-timers, and Devil Summoner 2 is close.

As for the other side projects that I've played, I'm fairly indifferent to them; and I'm not that obsessed to go back and play the ones on Famicom and Super Famicom.


Don't worry. I think Persona 3 is pretty bad. 20 hours in, and nothing happened.
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Originally Posted by vocab

Don't worry. I think Persona 3 is pretty bad. 20 hours in, and nothing happened.

Wow, you'd hate Persona 4. Persona 3 cuts right to the chase. I can see why someone would dislike P3 after playing P4 though. Personally, I like having to cope with the party AI and working around it.
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(10-15-2011, 04:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jenga

persona games = neutrality losers

smt games = chaos bros

i mean you guys don't even get a choice!

Except that P2:IS/EP is probably the two best SMT games in a good mile.

No fusions outside of spells.
No social links.
Third Person Dungeon Crawling.
Contacts.

FINAL DESTINATION.
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

Wow, you'd hate Persona 4. Persona 3 cuts right to the chase.


Nice try.
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

Raidou 1 on Devil Mode. Holy crap.


Without all that, I'd say Nocturne. Hardest to break, most rewarding when you do.

Wish I played it so I could compare.

Gonna go all out and say Persona 3, before it's bosses were "tweaked" for balance. Persona 3's systems were far easier to master than Nocturne's, but certain bosses in the game had immense balancing issues. Add to that the pervasive annoyance of not being able to control your party.
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Originally Posted by TheSeks

Except that P2:IS/EP is probably the two best SMT games in a good mile.

No fusions outside of spells.
No social links.
Third Person Dungeon Crawling.
Contacts.

FINAL DESTINATION.

Even though Atlus has done a good job of quality control since Cozy Okada left, I think a certain something left the SMT games when he did. Kaneko's great on visuals, but Okada seemed to love the modern/cyberpunk motif.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HDjf1qL54

Okada's last project with Atlus was Digital Devil Saga, I think. But I believe him and Kaneko had Raidou in mind for a while; check the interview.
("I'm very interested in doing a title that's set in the past.")

(Fun fact: the Demon Artist in P2 is modeled after Kaz; except Kaz has a better wardrobe.)
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awesome thread! I don't know how many times I said this in the various threads but I really need to get a psp and persona2 :(
cj_iwakura
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(10-15-2011, 04:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Deified Data

Wish I played it so I could compare.

Enemies do triple normal damage. Raidou inflicts half.
Shop costs are tripled. Compendium cost is through the roof.

It's insane. (Don't ask me how many times I died clearing it.)
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I havent played DDS2 yet but is that supposed to be the Kuzunoha Cat in the pic you chose for the DDS section?
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Originally Posted by kai3345

I havent played DDS2 yet but is that supposed to be the Kuzunoha Cat in the pic you chose for the DDS section?

It's not the same one.
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(10-15-2011, 04:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

I know this is blasphemy in these parts, but that image summarizes why I love Persona 3 more than 4. It's got a style that kicked down the doors of Persona 1&2, and went into something wildly different. It can't be faulted for innovation.

Huh? All it did was make it kinda Emo "Moe"-blob anime after the late 90's anime of P1/2.

Though I'm one of the rare few that actually prefers P3 over P4 because shooting yourself in the head and having a giant penis monster come out > LETS LIVE EVERYDAY OF OUR LIVES AT JUNES~ Scooby-Doo Mystery.

That's not to say I didn't mind P4. Yosuke, Kanji, and Teddie can be my wingmen, anytime.

But yeah, I prefer P3's bleak-suicide-sacrifice story to P4's overly happy style.

(Fun fact: the Demon Artist in P2 is modeled after Kaz; except Kaz has a better wardrobe.)

How about I slap your shit? Demon Artist > Cozy's wardrobe. Then again I like the Demon Artists punk/urban outfit.

I kinda wish he was P2's Igor instead of Igor himself, but alas. :(
Jenga
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so when is smt gonna move into college shit

tired of being some lame ass teenager hanging out with other lame ass teenagers
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Originally Posted by Jenga

so when is smt gonna move into college shit

tired of being some lame ass teenager hanging out with other lame ass teenagers

Teenagers have broad appeal, I guess. And more free time. Hard to go on crazy adventures when you're holding down a job/studying full-time. Unless you're a loser like Vincent Brooks, or something.
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Originally Posted by Jenga

so when is smt gonna move into college shit

tired of being some lame ass teenager hanging out with other lame ass teenagers

When are we gonna get a new console SMT game. Its been years. Once Atlus had the assets and tech in place, they were able to put more content on the PS2 than even SE did. I wonder now if we'll even see a console SMT/Persona game before this gen runs out.
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Originally Posted by TheSeks

Huh? All it did was make it kinda Emo "Moe"-blob anime after the late 90's anime of P1/2.

I love P1 & P2, but P3's style was really something else when I first saw it. I never thought I'd be okay without Kaneko doing art design until I saw that Soejima work. They definitely gave the series a wild new direction, for better or worse. Arguably worse considering that social links = $$$$, but hey, we got Elizabeth out of the deal; I ain't even mad.


How about I slap your shit? Demon Artist > Cozy's wardrobe. Then again I like the Demon Artists punk/urban outfit.

Nah, they're both swag. :P I really like the Demon Artist, I wish he was in 3 & 4.
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(10-15-2011, 04:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jenga

so when is smt gonna move into college shit

tired of being some lame ass teenager hanging out with other lame ass teenagers

Social Links turn into Sexual Links. MMMMMMMMMM...

And for once, my homeboy Mara would be the STAR of the series. ;) ;)
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Also count me in for the P5 College movement. I don't think anyone's touched that territory yet, but it could also focus on adults again. I'd be fine with either.
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I think the only 2 games I have ever finished from this series are the first 2 Persona`s...the others got too hard or I stopped because I was lost in a labyrinth and the countless random battles,while figuring out what to do got the best of me(Nocturne and Digital Saga)...Summoner(on the 3DS) is just too hard,not saying I won`t finish it but for now I`m doing free battles to beat one of the early Bosses...Strange Journey I think I stopped just like the EO games because they are too hard and grindy as well...

I do enjoy the series and the Universe though and will keep buying and trying to finish them.(halfway through both P3 and 4 )
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

Even though Atlus has done a good job of quality control since Cozy Okada left, I think a certain something left the SMT games when he did. Kaneko's great on visuals, but Okada seemed to love the modern/cyberpunk motif.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HDjf1qL54

Okada's last project with Atlus was Digital Devil Saga, I think. But I believe him and Kaneko had Raidou in mind for a while; check the interview.
("I'm very interested in doing a title that's set in the past.")

(Fun fact: the Demon Artist in P2 is modeled after Kaz; except Kaz has a better wardrobe.)

They always dress like made men. How awesome? So awesome.

persona games = neutrality losers

smt games = chaos bros

i mean you guys don't even get a choice!

Does this make Devil Summoner or DDS Law?

so when is smt gonna move into college shit

tired of being some lame ass teenager hanging out with other lame ass teenagers

Persona 2.
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Originally Posted by SpaceBridge

What's in you SMT collection?

I also discovered the series quite late with Nocturne and since then I've been picking up most new releases and some of the older ones when I can find them for a good deal.

Game Boy Color
  • Megami Tensei Gaiden: Last Bible
  • Revelations: The Demon Slayer
  • Shin Megami Tensei Trading Card: Card Summoner
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children - Black Book
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children - White Book

Game Boy Advance
  • Shin Megami Tensei: DemiKids - Dark Version
  • Shin Megami Tensei: DemiKids - Light Version

Virtual Boy
  • Jack Bros. no Meiro de Hīhō!

DS
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

Super Famicom
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • Shin Megami Tensei II

Playstation
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • Shin Megami Tensei: if...
  • Revelations: Persona
  • Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

Playstation 2
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Lucifer's Call
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3: FES
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
  • Maken Shao: Demon Sword (close enough with it being developed by Atlus, featuring Kaneko art, and having an occult theme)

Playstation Portable
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable

Saturn
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Akuma Zensho

PC
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine

Books
  • Three volumes with illustrations by Kaneko Kazuma
  • One volume with art by Shigenori Soejima
  • Self-printed fan translation of the first two Digital Devil Story novels by Aya Nishitani
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Originally Posted by archnemesis

I also discovered the series quite late with Nocturne and since then I've been picking up most new releases and some of the older ones when I can find them for a good deal.

Game Boy Color

  • Megami Tensei Gaiden: Last Bible
  • Revelations: The Demon Slayer
  • Shin Megami Tensei Trading Card: Card Summoner
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children - Black Book
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children - White Book

Game Boy Advance
  • Shin Megami Tensei: DemiKids - Dark Version
  • Shin Megami Tensei: DemiKids - Light Version

Virtual Boy
  • Jack Bros. no Meiro de Hīhō!

DS
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

Super Famicom
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • Shin Megami Tensei II

Playstation
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • Shin Megami Tensei: if...
  • Revelations: Persona
  • Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

Playstation 2
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Lucifer's Call
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3: FES
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
  • Maken Shao: Demon Sword (close enough with it being developed by Atlus, featuring Kaneko art, and having an occult theme)

Playstation Portable
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable

Saturn
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Akuma Zensho

PC
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine

Books
  • Three volumes with illustrations by Kaneko Kazuma
  • One volume with art by Shigenori Soejima
  • Self-printed fan translation of the first two Digital Devil Story novels by Aya Nishitani

...and the winning collection is...
TheSeks
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(10-15-2011, 04:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Deified Data

...and the winning collection is...

Except he doesn't have the X-box 180 SMT. >_>
cj_iwakura
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Oh yeah, uber bosses. Atlus LOVE them some uber bosses.

In order from ridiculous to a cake walk:
(Spoilers for everything, partially based on experience and partially based on what I've heard.

Demi-Fiend** (DDS) > Elizabeth (P3) > Satan* (DDS2) > Lucifer (Devil Survivor) > Demiurge (Strange Journey) > Lucifer (Raidou 2) > Snow Queen (P1)** > Philemon (Persona 2: Eternal Punishment) > Margaret (P4)** > Beezlebub (Raidou 1) > etc. (I think Soul Hackers and SMT2 have a Beelzebub optional boss fight too.)

** - killed, * - fought.


I really need to finish EP's optional dungeon, but it scares me.
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Originally Posted by Deified Data

...and the winning collection is...

Not even close. There is (or maybe used to be) a Japanese GAFer who owned all releases, including the music.

Originally Posted by TheSeks

Except he doesn't have the X-box 180 SMT. >_>

I want it, but it's hard to find around here. It is supposed to be similar to Imagine.
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Originally Posted by TheSeks

Except he doesn't have the X-box 180 SMT. >_>

The only person I know crazy enough to have played that is Kurt at HG101, who wrote the piece on it.

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/megaten/megaten4.htm

And holy crap does it look awful.





And if we're counting collectibles, I own a Lucifer figurine, the Digital Devil Apocalypse artbook(kind of a collection of SMT1/2/If, Maken X, Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers, and Persona 1 & 2 art), and the Persona 2 EP OST(so good). Imagine's a downloadable, so I don't think it counts. :P

Also, I love Maken X, Dreamcast version here. Interestingly enough, I think Sega localized it, not Atlus.


I really want to get one of the Kazuma Works books, but maybe Udon'll localize it like they're doing the Soejima one?
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Originally Posted by archnemesis

Not even close. There is (or maybe used to be) a Japanese GAFer who owned all releases, including the music.

I'm not sure if you are thinking of me or not, but that fits my collection. I've got pretty much everything Megaten-related in terms of games and music, plus a ton of other miscellaneous stuff like plushes and strategy guides.
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Nope, I was thinking of a lurker. He's a cool guy, but he doesn't post very often. How would you rank the Majin Tensei games among the rest Aeana?
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I have a serious backlog of Megaten games, the only ones I've finished are P3 and P4... have played DDS, Raidou 2 and Strange Journey too, wish I had more time so I could finish them. Right now I'm playing P2 Innocent Sin and I love it.

And I agree with the people who praise the style of the older games; as much as I love P3/P4, games like P2 or Soul Hackers have such a unique atmosphere (will definitely play Soul Hackers when the fan translation is out)

Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

I know this is blasphemy in these parts, but that image summarizes why I love Persona 3 more than 4. It's got a style that kicked down the doors of Persona 1&2, and went into something wildly different. It can't be faulted for innovation.

Yeah, it's impressive how different P3 is from P2. I'm glad they're trying to do the same for P5, or so they said in a recent interview. The less it looks like P4 the better.
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Originally Posted by Vally

I have a serious backlog of Megaten games, the only ones I've finished are P3 and P4... have played DDS, Raidou 2 and Strange Journey too, wish I had more time so I could finish them. Right now I'm playing P2 Innocent Sin and I love it.

And I agree with the people who praise the style of the older games; as much as I love P3/P4, games like P2 or Soul Hackers have such a unique atmosphere (will definitely play Soul Hackers when the fan translation is out)



Yeah, it's impressive how different P3 is from P2. I'm glad they're trying to do the same for P5, or so they said in a recent interview. The less it looks like P4 the better.

I agree, they can only improve on P3's formula so much. They need to innovate again. Personally I'd be fine if they ditched Social Links and went back to negotiations, but I don't see that happening. SLinks could still be further improved on, so that'd work too.
(Make relationships count for one; don't just have the characters act like nothing ever happens afterward.)
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

I know this is blasphemy in these parts, but that image summarizes why I love Persona 3 more than 4. It's got a style that kicked down the doors of Persona 1&2, and went into something wildly different. It can't be faulted for innovation.

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Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I like Jack Frost, Cu Chulainn, and Parvati. I always try to keep them in my party for as long as I can. :P Actually, I like most of the Hindu goddesses. They look so pretty haha.
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Leanan Sidhe. I'm a sucker for long-haired Celtic demonesses.

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Originally Posted by suzu

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I like Jack Frost, Cu Chulainn, and Parvati. I always try to keep them in my party for as long as I can. :P Actually, I like most of the Hindu goddesses. They look so pretty haha.



Wu FUCKING Kong. The first "ringer" demon I made in the series. I was very proud of the guy, not only as a turn burner, but damage output and Bright Might as well.
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There is only one:

Vally
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Originally Posted by suzu

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

Ame no Uzume, love that design

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Originally Posted by suzu

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I like Jack Frost, Cu Chulainn, and Parvati. I always try to keep them in my party for as long as I can. :P Actually, I like most of the Hindu goddesses. They look so pretty haha.

I like Matador just because of his design
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Originally Posted by suzu

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I like Jack Frost, Cu Chulainn, and Parvati. I always try to keep them in my party for as long as I can. :P Actually, I like most of the Hindu goddesses. They look so pretty haha.

The only answer for me :)

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Favorite demon?

Without a doubt, it's a tie between these two:




I swear, every game I can obtain them, I always try to power them up to keep them until the end game.
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

The only person I know crazy enough to have played that is Kurt at HG101, who wrote the piece on it.

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/megaten/megaten4.htm

And holy crap does it look awful.

Originally Posted by HG101

Shin Megami Tensei NINE, one of the few Japan exclusive games for the original Xbox, is a bit of an outlier amongst the series. The NINE is not to denote that this is the ninth Megaten game (it isn't), but instead it refers the number of alignments in the original series of game (Law, Neutral, Chaos, and Good, Neutral, and Evil.) Like Megami Tensei II, you play as a human living in an underground base after a nuclear disaster. You spend most of your time in the "Idea Space", a Snow Crash-ish virtual world modeled after 1990s Tokyo.

What are you talking about? That sounds like Phantom Dust on X-box 180 which was awesome!
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Originally Posted by TheSeks

What are you talking about? That sounds like Phantom Dust on X-box 180 which was awesome!

In concept yes, in execution, no.
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Originally Posted by suzu

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I like Jack Frost, Cu Chulainn, and Parvati. I always try to keep them in my party for as long as I can. :P Actually, I like most of the Hindu goddesses. They look so pretty haha.



I always thought Trumpeter looked awesome:
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I got into the series with Nocturne. I knew almost nothing about the game, other than it was apparently a cult hit, and it was a turn based rpg. So I pre-ordered it, and have probably spent over 200 hours playing and replaying it. And SMT Nocturne is still my favorite game today.

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