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TheGeniusArcana
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(09-14-2017, 02:51 AM)
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Like yeah it super is, but I can't tell if they're cool with that or not...
Whompa02
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(09-14-2017, 02:52 AM)

Originally Posted by Calion

Forreal. Of all forums, GAF finds this one ambiguous?

Can you explain the meaning to this? Little lost here tbh
17 Seconds
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(09-14-2017, 02:52 AM)
i don't see how the message is unclear at all
Goodstyle
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It's anti racism. Real racists are, bafflingly enough, terrified of the "R" word. They don't call themselves racists, they use candy coded sugar words and constantly ask how the explicitly racist thing they believe is racist. Racists are too cowardly to own up to how vile they are usually.
Strike
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It is. It's not uniquely American, but it was built into its very foundation. America was and still is very racist.
sandpiper
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(09-14-2017, 02:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

This isn't a shitpost or some stealth ignorance thing, I really haven't seen it before.

There's racism everywhere, of course.

I live in Oregon and I see people with trucks that fly a Confederate flag out the back, Trump bumper stickers, don't tread on me, et cetera.

What other possible reason for waving a Confederate flag around would there be, in a state that's nowhere near where the Confederacy actually was? Southern pride, in a northwest coast state?

EDIT: Also, Boston has a unique history with it, yes.
17 Seconds
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(09-14-2017, 02:53 AM)

Originally Posted by Redd

So much energy and time wasted to hate. I'll just don't understand racists.

wooooooosh
D4Danger
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(09-14-2017, 02:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Whompa02

Can you explain the meaning to this? Little lost here tbh

it's a statement. you just read it and realise shit is fucked up.
wenis
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Originally Posted by Yaboosh

How is this ambiguous?

exactly, even if its pro-racism, it's still fucking true. If it's anti-racism, it's still fucking true.
Hollywood Duo
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(09-14-2017, 02:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by wenis

exactly, even if its pro-racism, it's still fucking true. If it's anti-racism, it's still fucking true.

I don't think anyone is arguing the truthfulness of the message.
Phu
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(09-14-2017, 02:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by Calion

Forreal. Of all forums, GAF finds this one ambiguous?

You really think a racist person is going to look at that sign and get the same message you did? I'd bet they'd see it as something that bolsters their beliefs as xenophobic, racist*, hyper-nationalists.
Lazy vs Crazy
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(09-14-2017, 02:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by Whompa02

Uhhhh what?

Seriously what's the point to this?

We are talking about it so it seems like it worked.
p2535748
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(09-14-2017, 02:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Whompa02

Can you explain the meaning to this? Little lost here tbh

A lot of people like to pretend some of the recent stuff is a minor fringe movement, or a new thing. I've seen a lot of "right thinking" people express shock that stuff like Charlottesville could happen here and now.

To this, many POC and other activists have pointed out that racism has always been here, entwined in American culture, and though it might not have been on the surface as much until recently, that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Hence the slogan - think of it as "racism is an American tradition" - essentially saying it's not new, it shouldn't be surprising, and we need to deal with it as an integral part of our society that needs to be reformed, not a fringe group we can ignore and they'll go away.
Whompa02
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(09-14-2017, 02:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Lazy vs Crazy

We are talking about it so it seems like it worked.

I can see that but I'm just asking for the meaning, or intended meaning, behind it.

Originally Posted by D4Danger

it's a statement. you just read it and realise shit is fucked up.

I just don't get the comparison being made in the statement.

Originally Posted by p2535748

A lot of people like to pretend some of the recent stuff is a minor fringe movement, or a new thing. I've seen a lot of "right thinking" people express shock that stuff like Charlottesville could happen here and now.

To this, many POC and other activists have pointed out that racism has always been here, entwined in American culture, and though it might not have been on the surface as much until recently, that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Hence the slogan - think of it as "racism is an American tradition" - essentially saying it's not new, it shouldn't be surprising, and we need to deal with it as an integral part of our society that needs to be reformed, not a fringe group we can ignore and they'll go away.

Thank you. I assumed that's where it was coming from, but connecting it to the term, "American" really doesn't make sense within the context. It just seems like it's worded poorly.

I totally agree that racism is terrible and prevalent in America, but saying it's American, is kinda dumb.
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fredrancour
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(09-14-2017, 02:57 AM)
In hindsight I guess this is less ambiguous than I thought.

Originally Posted by Whompa02

Can you explain the meaning to this? Little lost here tbh

Nearly zero racists own up to the r-word because they don't view their hate as unjustified.


Originally Posted by Whompa02

I can see that but I'm just asking for the meaning, or intended meaning, behind it.



I just don't get the comparison being made in the statement.

"Just as baseball is considered a fundamental part of American culture, racism has been part of the country for its whole existence. Trump isn't novel."
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Redd
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(09-14-2017, 02:58 AM)

Originally Posted by 17 Seconds

wooooooosh

All I'm saying is I don't get racist. Big reason I don't get my father.
Dishwalla
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(09-14-2017, 02:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Whompa02

I can see that but I'm just asking for the meaning, or intended meaning, behind it.



I just don't get the comparison being made in the statement.

Both are American pastimes, both are intertwined in American culture.
Yaboosh
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Originally Posted by Whompa02

Can you explain the meaning to this? Little lost here tbh


Forcing people to confront their own racism is one of the most difficult tasks facing anyone interested in civil rights.

People will go to the ends of the earth to deny their own racism. It's so ingrained in this country and so insidious that people have built up their entire world view to obstruct it and also obstruct progress.

Admitting we have a problem would go a far way to realizing some sort of success.
Hollywood Duo
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(09-14-2017, 02:59 AM)
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You guys are very sure of yourselves but you don't know these people who displayed the banner. You can say that all racists hate being labeled as such but I haven't found that to be true in many cases. There are plenty of hardcore racists who wear that label proudly because they firmly believe in white supremacy.

Having said that, the popular interpretation in this thread could easily be true as well. It was boo'ed at the game and he police were called so I'm not sure that aligns with the popular theory.
besada
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(09-14-2017, 02:59 AM)
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More American than baseball, really. Baseball didn't become popular until the mid-1850's. Racism's been the team sport of America since before it was America.
wenis
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

I don't think anyone is arguing the truthfulness of the message.

it also implies that it doesn't matter which way the individuals swing. The idea is now out there, plainly stated during america's favorite (former) past time.
Derwind
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(09-14-2017, 03:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Goodstyle

It's anti racism. Real racists are, bafflingly enough, terrified of the "R" word. They don't call themselves racists, they use candy coded sugar words and constantly ask how the explicitly racist thing they believe is racist. Racists are too cowardly to own up to how vile they are usually.

Exactly, racism is not a topic relevant to racists. What value would a statement like this even hold to a racist?
Hollywood Duo
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Originally Posted by besada

More American than baseball, really. Baseball didn't become popular until the mid-1850's. Racism's been the team sport of America since before it was America.

The oldest sport ever some would say.
mjp2417
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(09-14-2017, 03:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Having said that, the popular interpretation in this thread could easily be true as well. It was boo'ed at the game and he police were called so I'm not sure that aligns with the popular theory.

I'm guessing you've never been to Fenway Park
Whompa02
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(09-14-2017, 03:01 AM)
Thanks for the responses. Makes sense, sorta.

Saying racism is an American pastime doesn't make their message seem so...great? Or rather, doesn't sound like they're trying to say the right thing.

It sounds like they're enjoying a baseball game, telling the world that they're racists lol...
XiaNaphryz
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(09-14-2017, 03:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

You know it was anti-racism because it was in Boston and they were removed.

Obligatory:

https://twitter.com/eboland11/status/859493148438999040

Erik Boland ‏Verified account
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Sabathia said in his big league career "I've never been called the N word" anywhere but in Boston

12:41 PM - 2 May 2017

https://twitter.com/eboland11/status/859495176426979328

Erik Boland‏ Verified account
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Sabathia said it's talked about among black major leaguers: "we know. There's 62 of us. We all know. When you go to Boston, expect it."

12:49 PM - 2 May 2017

p2535748
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(09-14-2017, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

You guys are very sure of yourselves but you don't know these people who displayed the banner. You can say that all racists hate being labeled as such but I haven't found that to be true in many cases. There are plenty of hardcore racists who wear that label proudly because they firmly believe in white supremacy.

Having said that, the popular interpretation in this thread could easily be true as well. It was boo'ed at the game and he police were called so I'm not sure that aligns with the popular theory.

To be clear, the police (or security) would be called and they'd be removed no matter what. You can't hang signs there, no matter how true they are.

As for the boos, people could be misinterpreting it or it could just be that the average baseball game crowd doesn't really like criticisms of America during their entertainment.

I mean, I could be wrong here, but I'm 95% confident this is anti-racist.

Originally Posted by Whompa02

Thanks for the responses. Makes sense, sorta.

Saying racism is an American pastime doesn't make their message seem so...great? Or rather, doesn't sound like they're trying to say the right thing.

It sounds like they're enjoying a baseball game, telling the world that they're racists lol...

It's not a positive message. It's a "take a hard look at the society you live in and it's history" message. It's not something a lot of people are going to like to see.
besada
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(09-14-2017, 03:02 AM)
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To the people that have had a hard time parsing this:

One of the four individuals involved told Red Sox security they were inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...s_as_amer.html
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

Have you ever met a conservative that actually thinks of themselves as a racist? Think, guys.

Yes, I most certainly have.

I'm quite sure this was anti racist, but it's bothering me how many of you don't realize there are a plethora of shameless, self-aware racists out there.
darscot
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(09-14-2017, 03:02 AM)
This is one of the best protests in recent memory. All it does is make you think. It does not pick a side just basically tells you think about your side. Brilliant
Hubbl3
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Originally Posted by sandpiper

There's racism everywhere, of course.

I live in Oregon and I see people with trucks that fly a Confederate flag out the back, Trump bumper stickers, don't tread on me, et cetera.

What other possible reason for waving a Confederate flag around would there be, in a state that's nowhere near where the Confederacy actually was? Southern pride, in a northwest coast state?

EDIT: Also, Boston has a unique history with it, yes.

Oregon probably has the shittiest history of any state (outside of the old Confederate states) in the union as far as racism goes.
Hollywood Duo
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(09-14-2017, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by mjp2417

I'm guessing you've never been to Fenway Park

I have actually, many times. My point remains that it's not as clear as people want to make it out to be until we hear from the people behind it.
Vinsanity.
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I’m just trying to figure out how they got a banner that big into the stadium? I mean, even if the banner just said “Let’s Go Sox!” - I would think they wouldn’t let you roll in with a 25’ x 15’ banner...
Litan
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Originally Posted by darscot

This is one of the best protests in recent memory. All it does is make you think. It does not pick a side just basically tells you think about your side. Brilliant

I hope you're joking.
Hollywood Duo
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(09-14-2017, 03:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by p2535748

To be clear, the police (or security) would be called and they'd be removed no matter what. You can't hang signs there, no matter how true they are.

As for the boos, people could be misinterpreting it or it could just be that the average baseball game crowd doesn't really like criticisms of America during their entertainment.

I mean, I could be wrong here, but I'm 95% confident this is anti-racist.



It's not a positive message. It's a "take a hard look at the society you live in and it's history" message. It's not something a lot of people are going to like to see.

I could be wrong too. Your interpretation is completely valid but I'm not willing to bet anything on which is correct.
p2535748
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(09-14-2017, 03:05 AM)

Originally Posted by Vinsanity.

I’m just trying to figure out how they got a banner that big into the stadium? I mean, even if the banner just said “Let’s Go Sox!” - I would think they wouldn’t let you roll in with a 25’ x 15’ banner...

Fenway's a pretty old park with a lot of weird entryways. I've known people to sneak through a lot of random shit (mostly booze, of course).
nnex
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(09-14-2017, 03:05 AM)
This should help confirm that it was anti-racism.

https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/908146979636744193

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Also, regarding the sign, one of the people ejected said the group was inspired by Black Lives Matter. At this point, that is all we have.

Edit: oh jeez, beaten by like 8 posts.
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p2535748
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(09-14-2017, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

I could be wrong too. Your interpretation is completely valid but I'm not willing to bet anything on which is correct.

I'd take a look at beseda's post:

Originally Posted by besada

To the people that have had a hard time parsing this:

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...s_as_amer.html

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Originally Posted by sandpiper

There's racism everywhere, of course.

I live in Oregon and I see people with trucks that fly a Confederate flag out the back, Trump bumper stickers, don't tread on me, et cetera.

What other possible reason for waving a Confederate flag around would there be, in a state that's nowhere near where the Confederacy actually was? Southern pride, in a northwest coast state?

EDIT: Also, Boston has a unique history with it, yes.

Oregon was planned as a White Utopia where it was illegal to be free and black inside it's borders.
Whompa02
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(09-14-2017, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by p2535748

I mean, I could be wrong here, but I'm 95% confident this is anti-racist.

It's supposed to be anti-racist but it's so poorly articulated that I could totally see the miscommunication.

Also yeah to the edit, I can definitely see people being upset. Or so comfortable in their ways that they dismiss the messaging.
darscot
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(09-14-2017, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by Litan

I hope you're joking.

Not at all sometimes subtley goes along way. Non violent peaceful statement that is hard to just brush off.
Calion
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Originally Posted by Whompa02

Thank you. I assumed that's where it was coming from, but connecting it to the term, "American" really doesn't make sense within the context. It just seems like it's worded poorly.

I totally agree that racism is terrible and prevalent in America, but saying it's American, is kinda dumb.

Not really. America's core building blocks in its founding ARE racism/slavery/etc. Racism has been there from the start and is still here today.
Chase17
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Assumed the worst when I saw Red Sox and racism, especially coming of the Jones story earlier in the year. Pleasantly surprised to see that it was some protestors displaying a truth.

I was a bit uncertain about the intentions of the statement, but it seems pretty clearly to be anti racism to me now.
shnurgleton
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American slavery predates baseball
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Originally Posted by darscot

This is one of the best protests in recent memory. All it does is make you think. It does not pick a side just basically tells you think about your side. Brilliant

What? No.

It's a statement about America being racist to it's very core. A side has very much been chosen.
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Originally Posted by besada

To the people that have had a hard time parsing this:

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...s_as_amer.html

good catch
p2535748
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(09-14-2017, 03:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Whompa02

It's supposed to be anti-racist but it's so poorly articulated that I could totally see the miscommunication.

It's funny because I saw it, pointed it out to my wife and we both immediately assumed it was anti-racist. Maybe it's because I've seen similar sentiments a lot the past year or so?

Obviously, though, it was not as clear as the creators intended. A lot of people are misinterpreting it.
darscot
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(09-14-2017, 03:09 AM)
I meant it doesn't have BLM or Antifa or any other such side clearly stamped out so people can just blow it off. It's not easy to just hand wave away its not left or right. Its just a statement.
Dreams-Visions
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(09-14-2017, 03:09 AM)
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True, true.
Hollywood Duo
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Originally Posted by p2535748

I'd take a look at beseda's post:

I see it now. I'm not sure that's definitive though. Being inspired by BLM could mean they want to do a white version of it as well.

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