Same here. Looks like some people play games with their faces glued to the screen, analyzing every pixel they can.
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Game Informer: " Why Xenoblade Chronicles Makes Me Want To Punch a Kitten"
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Same here. Looks like some people play games with their faces glued to the screen, analyzing every pixel they can.
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Deleted member 81567
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Game Informer's reviews are so bad. Arguably worse than IGN's.
Rahxephon91
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Well I do play console games.
SolidSnakex
Member
I've been playing it on a 52" HDTV and I can't think of anything that's turned me off visually. If you're playing on any of the consoles you're going to have to deal with jaggies. I don't really find Xenoblade to be any more offensive in that area than your average HD game.
VeryGooster
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These "Remember the good ol' days, Nintendo?" rants are so tired now. Nothing about Xenoblade's visuals is preventing me from greatly enjoying it.
These threads are a continuous effort to highlight that the gaming media has gone to pot.
After all this I'm starting to take to the opinion that if you are a videophile, console gaming isn't for you. Just build a PC rig and leave affordability to the people who prefer it.
Right now I'm in the middle of both Xenoblade and the PC version of The Witcher 2. TW2 looks fucking amazing - better than any console game, but I can still go back to Xenoblade on an HDTV and say it looks impressive. Hell, I can still go down to PSP and 3DS games and say they look impressive. Maybe I'm just better at scaling my expectations to whatever hardware I'm running a game on.
As for Nintendo, you gotta admit that most of their technology decisions have panned out well business-wise.
Right now I'm in the middle of both Xenoblade and the PC version of The Witcher 2. TW2 looks fucking amazing - better than any console game, but I can still go back to Xenoblade on an HDTV and say it looks impressive. Hell, I can still go down to PSP and 3DS games and say they look impressive. Maybe I'm just better at scaling my expectations to whatever hardware I'm running a game on.
As for Nintendo, you gotta admit that most of their technology decisions have panned out well business-wise.
The UI can be a little finicky, though. Like, when you first load up a game the map and stuff take a couple seconds to appear. Doesn't Dolphin actually make this better with snappier menus and such? That might be a more valid argument.
There is some slowdown in battle on the Wii when things get hectic, too, outside of the intentionally slowed down portions. But those moments just give you more time to navigate through your skills so it's only annoying if a quicktime event decides to show up and throw off your timing.
There is some slowdown in battle on the Wii when things get hectic, too, outside of the intentionally slowed down portions. But those moments just give you more time to navigate through your skills so it's only annoying if a quicktime event decides to show up and throw off your timing.
To be fair, nearly everyone looks like a blurry makeup monster when the camera gets too close for comfort.
Mario Galaxy was done on that hardware....so no it's not lousy...outdated maybe but hardly "lousy" A great game is a great game regardless of graphical prowess, sure graphics help but they are not the main point.....so many have seem to lost that train of thought though. I'd rather play the best NES game ever rather than some shimmery pretty shit game on the 360.
But different strokes for different folks.
This person gets it
Rahxephon91
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Then I guess GI is pretty good. They gave XB a 9. I also don't think this writer is a staff member.
Did you just tell me I didn't enjoy a game I enjoyed? And did you do so in earnest?
That doesn't make any sense. Does it suck that Ocarina of Time was released on a N64? Does it suck that Final Fantasy VII was released on a PS1 instead on, say, PC at the time?
Xenoblade was released in the system it was available at the time. Period.
aliencowz7
Member
I think he said multiple times that he still enjoyed the game, just that it could have been better which I cant really argue. I'm not sure how people can even argue that the game wouldn't at least look better upscaled to 720p over the native 480p.
Just think about it objectively, I mean if nothing in xenoblade is changed at all and is given a higher resolution how is that NOT a better product?
MisterHero
Super Member
I want the Vikings to have a winning season
It's not gonna happen, and yet they'll get their brand new stadium all the same
It's not gonna happen, and yet they'll get their brand new stadium all the same
Well isn't that stating the obvious? It's the whole rant about how the Wii sucks graphically and all of that and how that's bad. Is what's bothering most of us. While the Wii went the responsible route of actually trying to sell consoles at a profit and gaining an edge through innovation, rather than going bleeding edge and one up the the competition that way. Honestly by this logic we should complain about every single game that's not designed for the newest hardware available.
wouldn't most games on most current consoles look better if they were on things that made them look better?
aliencowz7
Member
Sure you can think of it that way, or think of it as someone enjoying a wii game that simply felt like venting some frustration that such an amazing game couldn't be presented in its full glory.
I mean when you think about it objectively yes wii's graphics capabilites are below average at this point and nintendos innovation and art direction are above average. But yearning for better and wanting things to reach there full potential isn't a bad thing.
Jake Tower
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I can't remember if Sega's SG-1000 II was classed a home computer, but it was certainly out classed by the Famicom in 1983. Elsewhere, there were lots of home computers, though in NA I think Apple II was the standard to be compared to at that time. The C=64 was probably superior in the 1983-1986 time frame, but then the Famicom/NES surpassed it on software and cart expansion strength. Of course, in UK, they also had Amstrad and Spectrum, but I'm not familiar enough on them to compare.
So if I write a terrible article and post it on GAF will you kickstart me a new PC?
Jake Tower
Banned
Good point. I've started playing KOTOR for the first time on OG Xbox, and while I notice at first the difference in 'graphics,' I quickly get absorbed in the game play and overall presentation, which is top notch. But then I'm also a 'retro gamer' so my sensibilities may be more forgiving than most 'modern' gamers.
PS360's graphics capabilities are way below average as well. Haven't seen him write articles about Uncharted 2, Halo:Reach, Gears 3...
Yes.
By that logic, why is Gears 3 only on the Xbox? It would look so much better on PC.
Heck, why doesn't someone write an article chiding Uncharted for being relegated to the PS3 when it would be so much better on PC as well?
Am I crazy for being able to boot up and enjoy my PS2 from time to time as well?
Penguin said:
While Square deserved to get shit it did for its "HD towns" type comments, there is an element of truth to it. Scale goes hand in hand with development cost and time. And I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone here that higher quality assets drives both of those things up substantially.
I guess in my head, the thought is.. would we have gotten a game like Xenoblade if not for the Wii hardware?
if you change the past you change the future.
aliencowz7
Member
Oh come on, i wasn't arguing that this guy should win some journalist of the year award or that he isn't biased at some level since this is the first article of his ive ever read. My first post in this thread even said i cant disagree with some of his points even if the presentation used isn't just asking for trouble.
When you release SD console when the majority of people already have a HD monitor or tv of some sort then you have to at least expect that some people might feel that some wii games would have higher potential with better hardware. I have felt the same way about plenty of ps3 and 360 games not being on better hardware but that doesn't mean I enjoy the game given to me any less.
When you release SD console when the majority of people already have a HD monitor or tv of some sort then you have to at least expect that some people might feel that some wii games would have higher potential with better hardware. I have felt the same way about plenty of ps3 and 360 games not being on better hardware but that doesn't mean I enjoy the game given to me any less.
So with 3x the power wouldn't the game have the same environments but look a lot better? I mean, if it already has enormous environments on the Wii but instead it was made for more powerful hardware why wouldn't the environments stay the same size while also looking better?
Also I agree with him to an extent. A lot of Wii games are just shit ugly to me. A lot of those same games look great to me in Dolphin so I suppose my only gripe is the resolution. Whatever, WiiU will be out soon enough and I'll be there day one again.
Increased development cost.
MisterHero
Super Member
Nintendo owns the developer group who made Baten Kaitos which were pretty games as well, so whatever they'd made would've been on Nintendo hardware.
Aside from the fact that there are quite a few games that run in near-SD resolutions (like 540p and 600p etc) on the HD consoles, at the time of release of the Wii HD penetration was far far lower. In retrospect, despite the only-normal length (5-6 years, instead of the extended 7-8 year) console cycle the Wii enjoyed and its sub-par third party support it was absolutely the right move.
Correctomundo
Member
So why play games at all? You're never going to be playing anything on the all time best hardware. There will always be something coming that supersedes the current state of the art. It's like thinking that Nintendo should have held off making Super Mario Bros 3 on the NES and waited until they were on their last hardware generation(which is always whatever the current generation is, if the technophiles are to be believed). Instead, it seems most would rather keep chasing the dragon.
Tell you what. You guys play only the highest resolution games on whatever provides that for you. I'll be over here, playing those, as well as some pretty damned good games that aren't sporting "awsum graffix, dood!" I'll bet I end up enjoying more games than you.
What I was getting at, but yeah. This.
Glorified G
Member
Your post doesn't make any sense. PS1 was powerful when it was released, N64 was the most powerful console that generation.
Your comparison would be apt if Ocarina of Time was released on overclocked SNES tech.
Doc Holliday
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I hate to say it, but I had the same feeling with most of the Wii games I played with the possible exception being the Mario Galaxy games.
BassForever
Member
Remember when people could just enjoy the games regardless of the graphics?
FieryBalrog
Member
Cool. I thought he meant some other reason.
TUROK
Member
Uh... Just because it's a cutscene doesn't mean their poly budget increases exponentially.
aliencowz7
Member
Why do people automatically jump to the conclusion that I or others don't find these games worth playing. They are enjoyable, great games. Human nature is to always want more, to always strive for better and I simply can't see it as a bad thing for people to urge nintendo, monolith or any other company to push the envelope.
I am fine with the game being on wii, and would be fine if it never was playable anywhere else. But I still would think about what could have been regardless to how much fun im having.
I am fine with the game being on wii, and would be fine if it never was playable anywhere else. But I still would think about what could have been regardless to how much fun im having.
That's why I'm mentioning PC too. Read again.
Foxtastical
Member
Nevermind. Still a silly article to associate with your brand.
So are you saying if the title was always to be developed for, say, ps3, they'ed simply develop a wii-esqe game and then up res it and add AA?
I mean, yeah we via dolphin see that the result would look good but no way would development actually follow that route.