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Hour of Devastation set information
Previous topic: Amonkhet (OT11)
Next set: Ixalan
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INTRO
Welcome to the Multiverse! Multiple worlds exist side by side in different dimensions, known as planes, and they are as different as night and day. All of them, however, have a form of magical energy known as mana. Most residents of these planes are unaware of other worlds, but there are some special beings with the ability to safely travel between them, known as Planeswalkers.

Magic: the Gathering is a Trading Card Game, the first of its kind, developed by Richard Garfield and his playtesters for the gaming company Wizards of the Coast in 1993. The game quickly became a hit, and it is currently bigger than it has ever been. You and your opponent play the role of dueling Planeswalkers, using customized decks made up of your spells, the creatures you can summon, your mana bonds with lands, and even other Planeswalkers you can call in to help out. Whoever can get every opponent down to 0 life wins.

This thread is coming a bit earlier because there is a big reveal bash on Friday, which will be livestreamed from Grand Prix Las Vegas at this Twitch channel around 5 PM PDT.

Last set, we arrived at an Egyptian mythology world, Amonkhet, but now Nicol Bolas has returned and the end times are here!



Note that huge parts of the next set, Ixalan, have been leaked. Official reveals don't start for a another three months, so the best course of action is to not talk about them in this thread beyond the surface level, so everyone's memories become foggy by that time.

Banned and Restricted List - For the first time in years, cards have been banned in Standard:
* Emrakul, the Promised End
* Smuggler's Copter
* Reflector Mage
* Felidar Guardian
* Aetherworks Marvel

STANDARD CHANGES
As announced in this article, Standard will use the new "three-and-one model" starting from the spring 2018 set, Dominaria. What does this mean? Well:
* No more small sets. Starting from Dominaria, every Standard set will be large and drafted by itself.
* That also means no more blocks. Or rather, the block structure is allowed to be very fluid now. One world might get only one set, while another might get two or even three. Sets that take place on the same world might not be mechanically connected, even if they are right after each other.
* Core sets are back, in their old summer slot, starting 2018. Compared to before, where they tried to appeal to both beginners and experts and thus muddled the message, they will err on the side of appealing to beginners. Still, there is appeal to experienced players in that they will act as places to print relevant Standard cards without too much concern for fitting them into a world or set theme.
* The Masterpiece rarity has been downgraded from evergreen to only a sometimes thing. Masterpiece cards are exciting reprints printed at a higher rarity than mythic rare, and they did very well at first, but they had diminishing returns, and caused all kinds of problems with card prices. The fall 2017 set Ixalan will not have Masterpieces.

Standard rotation will remain the same as it is now, with the oldest four sets leaving every fall release.


GETTING STARTED
If you're a beginner, feel free to come in. Us regulars can get a bit technical with card evaluations and use a lot of jargon, and many of us will loudly proclaim that a cool-looking card is junk, or say that a lame-looking card is really powerful, so ask us if you want an explanation.

To see what a game is like, check out Geek and Sundry's Spellslinger series (now discontinued), where Day[9] battled various geek celebrities, often losing, using simple and easy to follow decks.

To get started, check out the official page. Basically:
* It's recommended that new players play Magic Duels (thread). It's a great way to learn the game on your own, and it's free! That said, there will no longer be new updates, but a new digital product is expected to be announced in time.
* After that point, the act of deck building can be intimidating, so it's recommended that you try out a preconstructed deck and customize it with other cards you get, before you start making your own from scratch. Planeswalker Decks are preconstructed decks that come with four unique new cards, including a new Planeswalker card. If you have a friend to play with, there are also Duel Decks that provide two decks for a game right out of the box, but are a bit more complicated.
* To get your physical collection started, buy a Deck Builder's Toolkit, which includes not just a starting collection of cards (including a lot of lands), but also some booster packs and a good box to store cards in. The Holiday Gift Box provides an even larger starting collection and better storage.
* The different play formats can be found here. The most popular formats where you bring a 60-card deck ahead of time (Constructed) are Standard, Modern, and Legacy. The most popular formats where you start out with no deck and have to make them from scratch (Limited) are Draft and Sealed. Casual play has no restrictions other than what your friends decide. Once your skill advances, another popular way to play Magic casually is Commander.
* While game stores will often hold Magic events at other times, every store that has Magic events will have Friday Night Magic. There, you will be able to find other players in your area to both have matches with and trade with. Find game stores here. And to get started participating in your local game store (LGS) scene, attend an open house or prerelease event!

PRERELEASE
Prerelease Primer
While the set won't officially be sold until the release date, that isn't the first time you can get your hands on the new cards. Game stores hold prerelease events for every set. You play in the Sealed format, where every player is given a box with six booster packs and a random additional rare card. From this pool of cards, all of which you keep, each player builds a deck of 40 cards and participates in a Swiss-system tournament. This is a fun and casual event, where everyone is still trying to figure out the set, so don't worry about messing up. In addition to normal duels, there are also Two-Headed Giant events, where you pair up with another player and face off against another team.

Prerelease events will be held on July 8-9, 2017. Call your local game store a few days ahead of time to register for the prerelease, or they might just run out of room. Find local game stores here.



STORY
Lore introduction
Amonkhet story
Trailer

Amonkhet is a harsh desert world where everything that dies is cursed to rise again. People gather in oases, magically protected from the sand and horrors, raising warriors to go through the Trials of the Five Gods and thus gain their favor.

God-Pharaoh Nicol Bolas has returned to his kingdom, and he brings destruction. Can the Gatewatch stand up to him and the horrors of the desert he unleashed onto the city? Take a wild guess.





Story archive
Planeswalker biographies

CARD THEMES
Card image gallery
Mechanics

Returning mechanics


The returning mechanics are:
* Cycling - You may discard cycling cards from your hand for the cycling cost to then draw a card.
* Exert - Before, exert only appeared as an attack trigger, where you could choose to have the creature not untap next turn in exchange for a bonus. Now, exert also appears on activated abilities unrelated to attacking.
* Aftermath - You can cast the top half of these split cards from your hand, but the bottom half can be cast only from your graveyard.

Just deserts


With the only thing protecting the city from the desert gone, all the people can do is die or adapt. Several creatures become stronger not just if you control a desert, but also if you have one in your graveyard, which is one reason why you might want to cycle the deserts that now stand around the godly monuments.

Zombie Marvels


The zombies of Naktamun, Amonkhet's great city, were kept under control by cartouches that bound them into servitude. However, with that protection revoked, there is nothing to stop the horde now. Where creatures were once embalmed, there are now eternalized as Bolas's elite army. Exile that creature from your graveyard for the eternalize cost, and you get a zombie copy of it. Unlike before, it's black, and it's always a 4/4 creature, which is usually much beefier than the living version. Creatures with afflict are dangerous to block, as that spreads their infection to you anyway through the designated life loss.

The Forgotten


When Bolas took over Amonkhet, he erased every part of the culture he found inconvenient--including the existence of three gods that he took for himself. No one remembers the names of these gods, and thus they don't have the devotion to be indestructible, but that doesn't stop them from coming back over and over. Oh, and speaking of scorpions...



Invocations
Invocation image gallery
Battle for Zendikar, Kaladesh, and Amonkhet all have a special set of reprints known as masterpiece cards. They are printed at a rarity higher than mythic rare, but have no unique cards and don't affect what's in Standard. Each set's masterpiece collection is foiled with a special themed frame. Amonkhet Invocations continue from the previous set, showcasing cards that thematically tie into the world.



You know what they remind me of?



RESOURCES
Official articles - Nicknamed the Mothership, these articles are the primary source of news. Recommended columns are Making Magic, written by the head designer, Mark Rosewater (aka MaRo); Magic Story, which tells the story, written by various authors; and Latest Developments, written by various Magic developers. The other articles generally discuss deck building. For older articles before the site changed, go here.
Card image gallery - Best way to see all of the spoiled cards together, but only updates once a day.
Blogatog - Tumblr ran by Mark Rosewater where he answers questions, updates very frequently.
Drive to Work - Mark Rosewater's weekly podcast about Magic that he literally records as he drives to work. Two episodes are released every Friday.
MTG Reddit - The best place to get new card information. The community sucks, though.
Mythic Spoiler - A good way to see what cards have been spoiled, updates throughout the day.
Gatherer - The official method of searching through released cards. Has autocomplete.
Scryfall - The better search method, with bigger cards, but it doesn't have autocomplete.
Game store locator

PREVIOUS THREADS
Amonkhet (OT11)
Aether Revolt (OT10)
Kaladesh (OT9)
Eldritch Moon (OT8)
Shadows over Innistrad (OT7)
Oath of the Gatewatch OT (OT6)
Battle for Zendikar OT (OT5)
OT4
OT3
OT2
OT1
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SCHEDULE
Hour of Devastation
Announcement Week spoilers - June 16, 2017
Start of spoilers - June 19, 2017
Full reveal - June 30, 2017
Prerelease - July 8-9, 2017
Magic Online Launch - July 10, 2017
On Sale in Magic Online - July 14, 2017
Release Date - July 14, 2017
Draft Weekend - July 15-16, 2017
Game Day - August 5-6, 2017

Grand Prix Cleveland (Team Limited) - June 23-25, 2017
Grand Prix Sydney (Team Limited) - June 23-25, 2017
SCG Tour Season One Invitational Weekend - June 30 - July 2, 2017
Grand Prix Toronto (Limited) - July 21-23, 2017
Grand Prix Kyoto (Limited) - July 21-23, 2017
Pro Tour Hour of Devastation - July 28-30, 2017
Grand Prix Minneapolis (Standard) - August 4-6, 2017

Commander 2017
Estimated start of spoilers - August 7, 2017
Full reveal - August 11, 2017
Release - August 25, 2017

Grand Prix Birmingham (Modern) - August 11-13, 2017
Grand Prix Sao Paulo (Modern) - August 11-13, 2017
Grand Prix Denver (Standard) - August 18-20, 2017
Grand Prix Indianapolis (Limited) - August 25-27, 2017
Grand Prix Metz (Limited) - August 25-27, 2017
Grand Prix Washington, D.C. (Standard) - September 1-3, 2017
Grand Prix Turin (Standard) - September 1-3, 2017

Ixalan
Estimated start of spoilers - September 4, 2017
Full reveal - September 15, 2017
Magic Open House - September 16–17, 2017
Prerelease Weekend - September 23–24, 2017
Magic Online Launch - September 25, 2017
Magic Online On Sale Date - September 29, 2017
Release Date - September 29, 2017
Draft Weekend - September 30–October 1, 2017
Game Day Weekend - November 11–12, 2017

HIGHLIGHTS
Previous thread
Bontu's Last Reckoning; Samut, the Tested; Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh
Ramunap Excavator, Wildfire Eternal, Abrade, Adorned Pouncer
Planeswalker Deck - Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver
Ixalan leaks - Foil rare sheet images
Full art lands
Jace's Defeat, Nissa's Defeat
Ixalan leaks - Full rare sheet
Gideon's Defeat, Liliana's Defeat

Friday, June 16
Chandra's Defeat
Hour of Devastation reveal stream
The Scorpion God, Invocation - Damnation, Invocation - Blood Moon
Planeswalker Deck - Nissa, Genesis Mage; Grand Prix Las Vegas Legacy Top 8; Desert's Hold; Invocation - Desolation Angel

Saturday, June 17
Steadfast Sentinel eternalize token; Grand Prix Las Vegas Modern
Invocation - No Mercy; Supreme Will; Wildfire Eternal and Adorned Pouncer normal art; Invocation - Capsize; Invocation - Opposition; Invocation - Lord of Extinction
Invocation - Shatterstorm; Invocation - Avatar of Woe; Invocation - Choke
Invocation - Slaughter Pact; Invocation - Forbid

Sunday, June 18
Invocation - Diabolic Edict, The Scorpion God; Dreamstealer; Grand Prix Las Vegas Modern Day 2; Sunset Pyramid; Invocation - Sunder; Invocation - Through the Breach
Invocation - Boil
Invocation - Doomsday; Invocation - Omniscience; Invocation - Threads of Disloyalty
Invocation - Thoughtseize, Armageddon

Monday, June 19
Oketra's Last Mercy, normal Bolas reveal
Pride Sovereign
Mirage Mirror, Abrade normal art
Ramunap Hydra

Tuesday, June 20
Neheb, the Eternal; Scavenger Grounds; The Locust God
Crook of Condemnation, Solemnity, Swarm Intelligence, Fraying Sanity
MaRo on Dominaria and world building
Hostile Desert, Driven // Despair

Wednesday, June 21
Unesh, Criosphinx Sovereign, Angel of Condemnation
Magic Story - Hour of Glory; Hour of Glory; Michael Majors joins the Play Design team; Reason // Believe
Planeswalker Deck exclusive cards
Richard Garfield on Universal Basic Income; The Scarab God

Thursday, June 22
Djeru, With Eyes Open; Claim to Fame; Hope Tender; Fervent Paincaster; Steward of Solidarity; Vizier of the True; Resolute Survivors; River Hoopoe; Rhonas's Last Stand
Uncage the Menagerie; Razaketh, the Foulblooded; Earthshaker Khenra
Nimble Obstructionist

Friday, June 23
Doomfall, Torment of Hellfire, Torment of Venom, Torment of Scarabs, Struggle // Survive, Farm // Market, First Play Design article, Sinuous Striker, Proven Combatant
Gods + Expedite, Resilient Khenra

Saturday, June 24
Grand Prix Cleveland Day 1 (Team Sealed)

Sunday, June 25
Ammit Eternal

Monday, June 26
Refuse // Cooperate, Overwhelming Splendor
Champion of Wits, Unraveling Mummy, God-Pharaoh's Gift
Appeal // Authority, Hollow One

Tuesday, June 27
Ramunap Ruins, Shefnet Dunes, Ipnu Rivulet, Ifnir Deadlands, Hashep Oasis, Hour of Promise, Imminent Doom, Maw of Chaos
Endless Sands
Razaketh's Rite, Ominous Sphinx
Consign // Oblivion

Wednesday, June 28
Vizier of the Anointed, Hour of Eternity
Hazoret's Undying Fury; Artbook story reveals; Magic Story - The Hour of Promise; Kefnet's Last Word
Bloodwater Entity, God-Pharoah's Faithful, Frontline Devastator; Eternal of Harsh Truths; Merciless Eternal
Crested Sunmare, Chris Pikula and MaRo controversy
Leave // Chance, Majestic Myriarch, Abandoned Sarcophagus

Thursday, June 29
Hour of Devastation, Rhonas's Stalwart, Tragic Lesson, Seer of the Last Tomorrow, Life Goes On, Survivor's Encampment, Wretched Camel, Mummy Paramount, Manticore Eternal, Dutiful Servants, creature tokens, Strategic Planning
Sifter Wurm
Sunscourge Champion

Friday, June 30
Full reveal, SCG Season 1 Invitational Day 1 Modern rounds
SCG Invitational Standard rounds, HasCon schedule

July 1
SCG Season 1 Invitational Day 2
LoadingReadyRun Pre-Prerelease
SCG Invitational 7-1 and better decks
July 2
SCG Season 1 Invitational Finals
July 4
Commander 2017 leak - Arahbo, Roar of the Wild; Gift Pack
July 5
Magic Online Commander 1v1 ban list update; Magic Story - Favor
Limited Set Review: White and Blue
Limited Set Review: Black; Hour of Devastation card rulings; Limited Resources Set Review: Commons and Uncommons
July 6
Wizards Pride Parade float and banners
Limited Set Review: Red
July 7
Streaming prerelease from Australian store
Limited Set Review: Green; prerelease reactions; Limited Set Review: Gold, Artifacts, and Lands
July 8
Continued prerelease reactions
Reid Duke Modern Primer
July 9
San Diego Comic Con 2017 Planeswalkers
July 10
Magic Online decklist changes
Better look at San Diego Comic Con 2017 Planeswalkers
July 11
SDCC Planeswalker panorama
July 12
Magic Story - Hour of Eternity
Ajani figurine preview, Phyrexian Unlife price surge
July 13
Fraying Sanity price surge
Nicol Bolas figurine preview
July 14
Hour of Devastation survey, rules changes, M-Files Hour of Devastation part 1
July 15
Ixalan leaks - Basic lands, SCG Cincinnati Open
July 16
SCG Cincinnati Open Day 2
Store Play changes, no more Friday Night Magic card promos, SCG Cincinnati Open Top 8
July 17
Different Friday Night Magic card promos haven't significantly affected attendance, Duel Commander ban list update
July 18
Discussion of how Masterpieces affect card prices and how that affects Magic formats
July 19
Pro Player Club changes; Pro Tour announcements and return of Modern Pro Tours; Magic Story - Endure; HasCon silver bordered card franchises revealed, including Sword of Dungeons & Dragons
July 20
Half of Grand Prix schedule revealed
Commander 2017 art reveals tribes
July 21
Play Design - M-Files Hour of Devastation part 2
July 22
SCG Atlanta Open Day 1; Unstable spoiler - Steamflogger Boss; Unstable art and information
July 23
Grand Prix Kyoto Top 8; SCG Atlanta Open Day 2
July 24
Standard online PPTQ winner is UW God-Pharaoh's Gift Reanimator
July 26
Magic Story - Hour of Devastation
July 27
Discussion of watermarks matter; Pro Tour Hour of Devastation Day 1
July 28
Unstable - Sword of Dungeons & Dragons and other HasCon promos that aren't in Unstable; discussion of making Bolas more playable
Pro Tour Day 2; LSV quitting as commentator
July 29
Pro Tour Top 8 listing
Pro Tour Day 3
July 30
New pictures of Ajani statuette
July 31
Magic related stabbing; Japanese magazine confirms Commander 2017 tribes

August 2
Magic Story - Vampire podcast
August 3
SDCC 2017 Planeswalkers put on sale early accidentally; Magic: the Gathering - Arena announced
Hearthstone discussion
August 4
PopGAF shut down, MagicGAF now second gayest community thread
LSV and Gaby now dating? I guess?
August 5
Grand Prix Minneapolis and SCG Open Syracuse Day 1
August 6
Day 2 of above

Commander 2017
Landing post

Monday, August 7
Balan, Wandering Knight; Traverse the Outlands; Hungry Lynx; Bloodforged Battle-Axe; Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist; Stalking Leonin; Seht's Tiger; Arahbo, Roar of the World official reveal; Nazhan, Revered Bladesmith; Hammer of Nazhan
Alms Collector; Command Tower; new Cuombajj Witches art
Bloodline Necromancer

Tuesday, August 8
Herald's Horn, Sol Ring, Kindred Summons, Leonin Arbiter, Path of Ancestry, Kindred Discovery, The Ur-Dragon official; Wasitora, Nekoru Queen official; Cat Dragon token official; O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami official; Scalelord Reckoner; Territorial Hellkite; Scourge of Valkas; Crux of Fate; Ramos, Dragon Engine; Haven of the Spirit Dragon; Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
Boneyard Scourge, Fortunate Few, Fractured Identity, Qasali Slingers, Mirror of the Forebears

Wednesday, August 9
Licia, Sanguine Tribune; Bloodsworn Tribune; Crimson Honor Guard; Disrupt Decorum; Edgar Markov; Teferi's Protection; Curse cycle; New Blood; Mathas, Fiend Seeker
Kindred Charge, Patron of the Vein, Unstable Obelisk; Inalla, Archmage Ritualist; Heirloom Blade
Kheru Mind-Eater

Thursday, August 10
Galecaster Colossus
Kindred Dominance, Kindred Boon, Apprentice Necromancer; Mairsil, the Pretender; Vindictive Lich
Portal Mage, Magus of the Mind; Taigam, Sidisi's Hand; Kess, Dissident Mage; Izzet Chemister; Shifting Shadow

Friday, August 11
Full decklists, full reveal




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ALL PRAISE THE GOD-PHARAOH

HIS RETURN IS NIGH

...Oh shit, Ixalan leaks? Welp, Bolas, you're old news now :(



Anyway, remember this from what seems like an eternity ago?

We now (at least vaguely) know all of those characters:
Tishana, Voice of Thunder (the legendary merfolk)
Pirate Vraska
Aloy of the Nora New R/W planeswalker (looks like she got moved between sets - she's in Ixalan rather than Rivals now)
and obviously Ajani
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first post and you already start with the Ixalan spoilers :p
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Originally Posted by Violet_0

first post and you already start with the Ixalan spoilers :p

We know more about Ixalan than Hour of Devastation at this point, and it's really getting to me :(
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May the God-Pharaoh himself grace us with a glorious end!
SigmasonicX
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For those just joining us, all the rares and mythic rares in the fall set Ixalan have been leaked. Official reveals don't start for another three months.
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I legit just want to see the Gatewatch get their asses kicked by Nicol Bolas just looking at them sideways.

Also, what does that say about the Eldrazi? It says they ain't shit, that's what.
Angry Grimace
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Originally Posted by divisionbyzorro

I legit just want to see the Gatewatch get their asses kicked by Nicol Bolas just looking at them sideways.

Also, what does that say about the Eldrazi? It says they ain't shit, that's what.

I mean they're mindless.
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Originally Posted by divisionbyzorro

I legit just want to see the Gatewatch get their asses kicked by Nicol Bolas just looking at them sideways.

Also, what does that say about the Eldrazi? It says they ain't shit, that's what.

It's worth remembering that they only beat Ulamog and Kozilek because the plane of Zendikar itself is sentient and consumed them with help from the Gatewatch. And Emrakul beat itself because it was bored.
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Originally Posted by divisionbyzorro

I legit just want to see the Gatewatch get their asses kicked by Nicol Bolas just looking at them sideways.

Also, what does that say about the Eldrazi? It says they ain't shit, that's what.

Yep. Eldrazi threat level is through the floor and plummeting.

Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

I mean they're mindless.

Not anymore! :P <shudders as the memory of Jace playing chess with Emrakul repeats>

Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

It's worth remembering that they only beat Ulamog and Kozilek because the plane of Zendikar itself is sentient and consumed them with help from the Gatewatch. And Emrakul beat itself because it was bored.

That's one way of looking at it. The other is they used Jace hax and burnt them to death. However you look at it, it's anti-climactic for a threat that was at least implied to be too great for three oldwalkers.
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Oh, and here's what the thread title is referring to.

Crocodile
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Scorpion King Gifs.......

divisionbyzorro
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I'm serious though. After suffering through overexposure to the Jacetice League, it's actually kind of cathartic to see them lose.
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Lame title lol so much for the vote.

Anyway, hopefully we get some cool cards in Hour.
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Oh, and here's what the thread title is referring to.

I kinda feel if we need to explain the title, it wasn't the best choice. :P
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OK, Ixalan leaks are cool and all, but when are we getting the reveals for the rest of the Commander 2017 tribes? I don't want to start building another deck and have them reveal a tribe I really like.

And yada yada fuck the Gatewatch all that.
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Originally Posted by DrArchon

OK, Ixalan leaks are cool and all, but when are we getting the reveals for the rest of the Commander 2017 tribes? I don't want to start building another deck and have them reveal a tribe I really like.

Probably not until after the HOU pro tour.
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Originally Posted by DrArchon

OK, Ixalan leaks are cool and all, but when are we getting the reveals for the rest of the Commander 2017 tribes? I don't want to start building another deck and have them reveal a tribe I really like.

And yada yada fuck the Gatewatch all that.

Yeah, I'm excited for those too. I'm 100% building Dragons (again), but if there's something like G/W Cats then I'll be spending a lot more than I thought I would.
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Originally Posted by Yeef

Probably not until after the HOU pro tour.

Gah, they give us a full week of announcements and can't even spare telling us what the 4 tribes are. I don't even need card spoilers, just names of creature types.
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Originally Posted by divisionbyzorro

I legit just want to see the Gatewatch get their asses kicked by Nicol Bolas just looking at them sideways.

Also, what does that say about the Eldrazi? It says they ain't shit, that's what.

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https://www.twitch.tv/magic

GP VEGAS (LEGACY) Stream is back up.
Wichu
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Originally Posted by Firemind

Squirrels are returning in Unstable.

Coincidence?

I THINK NOT.
SigmasonicX
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Originally Posted by Crocodile

Scorpion King Gifs.......

Dude, I posted two drafts with those GIFs and even said I'd be using nothing but Scorpion King GIFs before I made the draft, and now you complain? =P
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Dude, I posted two drafts with those GIFs and even said I'd be using nothing but Scorpion King GIFs before I made the draft, and now you complain? =P

I love the GIFs, like the title and appreciate all the work you put into the posts. Thanks!

Edit: I also think that the title is 1000% clearer than any of the rap references from previous threads. The card it references just adds some color to it.
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Originally Posted by Wichu

Aloy of the Nora New R/W planeswalker (looks like she got moved between sets - she's in Ixalan rather than Rivals now)

She's on the key art for Rivals too, so she's probably an important figure for the block.
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Originally Posted by Santiako

She's on the key art for Rivals too, so she's probably an important figure for the block.

Yep. My guess is that she leads the Ixalan equivalent to the Inca civilisation (or whatever mesoamerican civilisation they're using as a base), who live among the dinosaurs (and presumably worship the larger ones as avatars of the suns).
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To defeat Kozilek and Ulamog, the Gatewatch literally trapped them in an area, then channeled the entire Plane's mana into Chandra. Iirc, the story even mentions how Zendikar was warping around the event because of the sheer power that was being used.

It's not like they curbstomped the Eldrazi, far from it. It was a last ditch effort after the "Hall of Attractions Featuring Ulamog" failed.

Emrakul sealed herself away because "It's not time", which definitely makes the idea that it's supposed to go "Ulamog Eats Everything, Kozilek remakes the land, Emrakul remakes the organisms" theory true.

Tezzeret lost because he got cocky/The Consulate are the dumbest government in the Multiverse. What the fuck were they planning to gain from Tezerret's Portal?

That's one "Win because our Enemy is stupid", One Pyrrhic Victory(Zendikar is still in shambles) and one "Win because our Enemy conceded". I mean, a loss isn't bad, but they haven't been paired against a stronger opponent and won without sacrifice.
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars


Tezzeret lost because he got cocky/The Consulate are the dumbest government in the Multiverse. What the fuck were they planning to gain from Tezerret's Portal?

Is the Consulate even still a thing? Tezz is working for Bolas now, with a hint of his own schemes in the background, I thought.
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

I mean, a loss isn't bad, but they haven't been paired against a stronger opponent and won without sacrifice.

You're right Chandra was in a wheelchair for like 2 whole days.
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Originally Posted by OnPoint

Is the Consulate even still a thing? Tezz is working for Bolas now, with a hint of his own schemes in the background, I thought.

Tezzeret's organization is the Infinite Consortium. The Consulate is the normal Kaladesh government which he corrupted, and now that he's gone, everything is hunky-dory.
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So the play design team is actually huge. They re taking Standard seriously, which is good.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Tezzeret's organization is the Infinite Consortium. The Consulate is the normal Kaladesh government which he corrupted, and now that he's gone, everything is hunky-dory.

If by that you mean the rebellion put their people into important positions and deregulated the shit out of aether.
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Dude, I posted two drafts with those GIFs and even said I'd be using nothing but Scorpion King GIFs before I made the draft, and now you complain? =P

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=9676
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=9680

Originally Posted by OnPoint

Is the Consulate even still a thing? Tezz is working for Bolas now, with a hint of his own schemes in the background, I thought.

The Consulate is still around and Pia took Kambal's job. Dovin and Tezzeret are gone and Baral is imprisoned, so there's not really anyone left in the Consulate that's nefarious.
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Tezzeret's organization is the Infinite Consortium. The Consulate is the normal Kaladesh government which he corrupted, and now that he's gone, everything is hunky-dory.

Oh yeah. The Consolate and the Consortium are different things. They need better names lol
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(06-16-2017, 06:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

To defeat Kozilek and Ulamog, the Gatewatch literally trapped them in an area, then channeled the entire Plane's mana into Chandra. Iirc, the story even mentions how Zendikar was warping around the event because of the sheer power that was being used.

It's not like they curbstomped the Eldrazi, far from it. It was a last ditch effort after the "Hall of Attractions Featuring Ulamog" failed.

Emrakul sealed herself away because "It's not time", which definitely makes the idea that it's supposed to go "Ulamog Eats Everything, Kozilek remakes the land, Emrakul remakes the organisms" theory true.

Tezzeret lost because he got cocky/The Consulate are the dumbest government in the Multiverse. What the fuck were they planning to gain from Tezerret's Portal?

That's one "Win because our Enemy is stupid", One Pyrrhic Victory(Zendikar is still in shambles) and one "Win because our Enemy conceded". I mean, a loss isn't bad, but they haven't been paired against a stronger opponent and won without sacrifice.

Clearly, we have different ideas of what constitutes sacrifice.
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Great OP as always. I want to see liliana's demon that's hiding here this set. I'm hoping that it's strong for constructed play.
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Originally Posted by Yeef

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=9676
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=9680

And I would have posted the same thing in the last thread if it didn't get locked as I was replying =P
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Originally Posted by Supast4r

Great OP as always. I want to see liliana's demon that's hiding here this set. I'm hoping that it's strong for constructed play.

He's dead jim
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Originally Posted by Supast4r

Great OP as always. I want to see liliana's demon that's hiding here this set. I'm hoping that it's strong for constructed play.

Considering how easily he went down in the story, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

But he's probably going into my Demon tribal Commander deck anyway.
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Originally Posted by Supast4r

Great OP as always. I want to see liliana's demon that's hiding here this set. I'm hoping that it's strong for constructed play.

Flavorfully it should have some sort of mind control ability, no? Or land corruption ability? Or flying?
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(06-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by divisionbyzorro

I'm serious though. After suffering through overexposure to the Jacetice League, it's actually kind of cathartic to see them lose.

Yeah, I think WotC's story people basically had the right idea here in terms of story direction and misjudged how the timing would play out, or how mechanical factors (like too many GW PW cards) would affect it. Setting up the Gatewatch, giving them a couple easy victories, showing that they're being rash and unwise in their decision-making, and then having them get wrecked by a superior foe is smart storytelling and it does make it legitimately satisfying to see them lose, while still setting it up for a comeback story.
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ulamog is a big dumb blob and kozilek is boring

but dont talk shit about my girl emrakul, she doesnt even try and she still makes everything turn bananas
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(06-16-2017, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by kirblar

So the play design team is actually huge. They re taking Standard seriously, which is good.

This is the R&D equivalent of staffing up creative to support more settings per year, and also reflects the fact that a) Hasbro considers this one of their top five brands going forward and b) they expect another surge of growth from MDN.
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Originally Posted by TheBlackMarvel

I kinda feel if we need to explain the title, it wasn't the best choice. :P

I just assumed it was referring to how Blue Cards are gonna get stomped on or something.
I speak based on my experience with Blue Cards from the Magic PC games though :P
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Originally Posted by Wichu

Considering how easily he went down in the story, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

But he's probably going into my Demon tribal Commander deck anyway.

I wasn't aware that the story already showed him. Man now he is going to be like Korthopod and not Griselbrand :(
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Originally Posted by Supast4r

I wasn't aware that the story already showed him. Man now he is going to be like Korthopod and not Griselbrand :(

I expect demon #4 to be closer to Grisel tier. Lili is going to get ahem "dunked on" by this foe, Chain Veil and all. Kind of hope he snaps his fingers and the Veil just disintegrates.
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Chandra's Defeat.

Instant ~ deals 5 damage to target red creature or red planeswalker. If it was a Chandra planeswalker, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.

"Fire? Is that your only trick, Chandra?"


Why do they have to add the discard clause to the red spell? That's so fucking annoying.
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Originally Posted by Santiako

Why do they have to add the discard clause to the red spell? That's so fucking annoying.

Red: Blue, but worse
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Miracle destroying grixis on stream jeez.

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