killatopak
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Is "Youse Guys" a bad phrase?
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Kimitachi is superior-er.
Extra Sauce
Member
Y'all o' youse guys
Woman can choose to be offended by it or not. Ultimately that is their choice.
Personally, I think there are much larger gender issues going on in our society right now. The fact is our language used to be much more gendered than it is today.
I kind of see it as similar to actor vs actress. Nowadays actress is frowned upon and actor has become gender neutral even though it was historically male-specific.
We have lots of male-oriented words/phrases that are gender neutral now. Freshman/grandfathered in/mankind/humanity/etc. Do I wish these words were more gender-neutral? Of course, but they aren't. Maybe someday we will have replacements, but for the time being I'd rather see meaningful gender-neutrality within our society instead of simply within our language. Equal pay, womens rights over their bodies, etc are much more important issues.
Personally, I think there are much larger gender issues going on in our society right now. The fact is our language used to be much more gendered than it is today.
I kind of see it as similar to actor vs actress. Nowadays actress is frowned upon and actor has become gender neutral even though it was historically male-specific.
We have lots of male-oriented words/phrases that are gender neutral now. Freshman/grandfathered in/mankind/humanity/etc. Do I wish these words were more gender-neutral? Of course, but they aren't. Maybe someday we will have replacements, but for the time being I'd rather see meaningful gender-neutrality within our society instead of simply within our language. Equal pay, womens rights over their bodies, etc are much more important issues.
Earthbound64
Banned
I've wondered about this for years.
What if the "girls" are grown women? Seems even riskier than just saying "guys", imo. And as a life-long Californian, it would sound really weird if I said "gals" (too southern). And "you ladies" sounds kind of flirty. "Y'all" sounds like I'm trying to be black or southern.
What if the "girls" are grown women? Seems even riskier than just saying "guys", imo. And as a life-long Californian, it would sound really weird if I said "gals" (too southern). And "you ladies" sounds kind of flirty. "Y'all" sounds like I'm trying to be black or southern.
SkateorDi3
Member
Y'all is the only way to properly address a group of people with different sex.
This is a pretty terrible response.
What, exactly, would it mean to be right or wrong about this topic? Language is descriptive. There's no golden document somewhere that states explicitly whether it's appropriate to use the male plural to refer to a group containing women, there's only common practice and how people respond to that common practice.
Hupersons, thanks.
SmackDaddy
Member
thats my fuck
Earthbound64
Banned
So it's "a pretty terrible response" because you're a descriptivist.
I'm a prescriptivist, so I disagree.
That's exclusionary to virgins and asexuals.
You assholes is better. Everyone has an asshole.
Can't forget the Y'angs.
I imagine that's because everyone despises "dudette"
EmptyCanO'wupass
Member
Yall is the best, homie. Yall means all.
Exactly. I say y'all or you all or rephrase it to avoid anything gendered when referring to a group.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
fucking thank you
Syphon Filter
Member
Whoever said that is insane, also i think it's fine to say you guys even for girls. Its not that literal.
here here
tensuke
Member
subete~
Mister_Ruck
Member
When I worked at Disney World one of my coworkers said "you guys" when addressing a crowd of ~170 people and a woman had a fucking meltdown about it in front of everybody. After that we had to say "folks" and if a manager caught you saying "you guys" you'd get an earful. I mean, I get it, I guess. But that's kinda crazy.
Collins Dictionary isn't claiming to be an authority on anything. Dictionaries simply describe how words are being used, they're not rule books. The fact that defintion made it into the dictionary means it is used in that way, as me and many other people can attest to.
That's just how language evolves. If enough people are using the phrase in a gender neutral way, then that becomes one of its meanings.
never insinuate that someone may be in possession of some foul testicles
i'm from memphis so y'all already know
goddamnit hahaha
i'm from memphis so y'all already know
goddamnit hahaha
NYCmetsfan
Banned
i think its fine because the grammatical form that its used in the phrase is not the gendered guy.
that being said social usage will determine this. Language changes
that being said social usage will determine this. Language changes
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I'm a girl and say "you guys" to groups of girls all the time. Anyone whining about this isn't worth your time.
dude what
Alcoremortis
Member
I've been yelled at for dude, even though in SoCal, everything is dude.
Some people are sensitive to that stuff, so I just make a note of who those people are and try to change my language around them. Those people probably have other shit going on in their lives that makes them react more strongly to specific words. Most people don't care.
Some people are sensitive to that stuff, so I just make a note of who those people are and try to change my language around them. Those people probably have other shit going on in their lives that makes them react more strongly to specific words. Most people don't care.
Earthbound64
Banned
I don't know who you've been having sex with, but...
Alligatorjandro
Banned
The worst saying is yinz
Aizo
Banned
お前ら is the only one worth saying, and you better roll that ら like a badass.
Years ago I worked with a team of all women. We'd refer to us collectively as guys all the time, such as "hey guys we are meeting in my room. Hey guys how was your weekend."
One day I stuck my head into a room we were meeting in and said "sorry guys I need another minute."
From behind me I hear that dude. You know, that dude. The shriveled dick fuckbucket everyone hates. "Last time I checked, you were the only man in that group, maybe try being less sexist" followed be a stupid fucking grin and head nod at the women through the door.
Followed by one of those magical moments where everything goes the way you hope as every single person in the room simultaneously and obviously groaned, rolled their eyes, and face palmed.
You guys is fine, don't let any shitsphere tell you otherwise.
One day I stuck my head into a room we were meeting in and said "sorry guys I need another minute."
From behind me I hear that dude. You know, that dude. The shriveled dick fuckbucket everyone hates. "Last time I checked, you were the only man in that group, maybe try being less sexist" followed be a stupid fucking grin and head nod at the women through the door.
Followed by one of those magical moments where everything goes the way you hope as every single person in the room simultaneously and obviously groaned, rolled their eyes, and face palmed.
You guys is fine, don't let any shitsphere tell you otherwise.
Silvergun-Blue
Member
Mostly women at at my work and guys is usually the term used to describe any group of us regardless of gender.
tonysidaway
Member
I see what you did there.
DontTouchMe
Member
try you fellers
"You guys" is pretty standard for the West Coast and doesn't imply a gender. Same with Dude. I've never seen anyone get upset about it.
I've never heard anyone say "y'all" up here in the PNW unless they're visiting from out of state. People drop their accents really fast if they move here. I had a friend move up here from Tennessee and I think it was barely a year before he mostly lost his.
I've never heard anyone say "y'all" up here in the PNW unless they're visiting from out of state. People drop their accents really fast if they move here. I had a friend move up here from Tennessee and I think it was barely a year before he mostly lost his.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I've never heard anyone call a woman "dude" or even go "Hey dude" to them. Who are these people that call women dudes?
Well, I will be adding "shriveled dick fuckbucket" to my vocabulary.
I hear it plenty. Have said it myself.
Prescriptivism is objectively idiotic, so.
tonysidaway
Member
Works great at a lumberjack convention.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I gotta call BS, through my years of being park of teenage punk, club scene, slight goth, even skater -- I rarely (and by rare I mean the situations I can think of are 2000 era Road Trip movies about Michelle Trachtenberg or maybe someone calling Avril Lavigne dude in a music video) heard people call women dudes or a single woman dude.
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