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Destiny may require co-op play for end-game activities (Story can be completed solo)
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Judging by their contract, it has microtransactions, DLC, "subscriptions" (I assume this is for value added services and/or just a season pass as legally season passes are often considered subscriptions for accounting purposes), and expansion packs.
Raids are not required. They are optional (but amazing in their own right). Story missions are fully separate.
wait what...
Maybe Bungie wanted to make a MMOFPS, because... *SHOCK AND AWE* they wanted to make a fucking MMOFPS
seriously guys, if you don't want a multiplayer game, don't get it. This is supposed to be a MMOFPS, hence you might actually have to communicate with people
also, if you really want to go through this game in 2 years, im sure there will be plenty of people still playing this game. Not only that, but we already know you can solo the campaign if you want to.
floatingcoffins
Member
Haha, I don't have five friends. Will not purchase.
I originally thought so as well and hope this is indeed the case. I still plan to play it, regardless.
Mechanized
Member
Meh, they created content just for multiplayer. I don't see the issue. Its not like the last story mission is multiplayer only or something.
Really? I enjoyed their Halo games alone and I played co-op as well.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Have people seriously put money on a preorder for a game that will launch in about 10 months? Unless you get some crazy deal this is silly.
Beta codes are given fairly early for pre ordering.
Now this might be the coming deal breaker. If this ends up being a $60 game with a free to play and littered with microtransactions design, then I don't care how great it looks. They can keep it.
We haven't detailed them out yet, but here's the job description we had up for a Raid Designer:
"Are you experienced in building challenging cooperative gameplay experiences? Do you have fond memories of the first time you killed Ragnaros? Can you build encounters that require planning, demand coordination, and reward execution? Do you understand combat spaces and the ways players will utilize them to avoid otherwise certain death?
Bungie is seeking talented, passionate designers to build experiences that will challenge players' thumbs, minds, and communication skills.
As a Raid Designer you will work with Designers, Artists, Engineers, and Producers to create memorable, bond-building encounters that players will scour YouTube to defeat."
They are supposed to have a beta launching early next year that preordering gets you access to.
Though I don't know why you'd actually put money down when you can just order from Amazon and not get charged till it ships with the ability to cancel up to a day or two before.
We haven't detailed them out yet, but here's the job description we had up for a Raid Designer:
"Are you experienced in building challenging cooperative gameplay experiences? Do you have fond memories of the first time you killed Ragnaros? Can you build encounters that require planning, demand coordination, and reward execution? Do you understand combat spaces and the ways players will utilize them to avoid otherwise certain death?
Bungie is seeking talented, passionate designers to build experiences that will challenge players' thumbs, minds, and communication skills.
As a Raid Designer you will work with Designers, Artists, Engineers, and Producers to create memorable, bond-building encounters that players will scour YouTube to defeat."
Holy shit... I would have applied to this position.. I have years of top 10 wow raiding experience.
Just got a chill from reading this, sounds like you guys really want to build memorable encounters as opposed to throw away extra content.
Heres hoping for a raid the size of ulduar and just as many bosses
(Kudos for the rag mention)
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Got no problem with this since I love online co-op, but I can see why people would have issues with this.
DoubleTake
Member
Ehh this game man...Idk the whole loot thing isnt something I find that interesting.
Gets pretty repetitive to me, why I didnt enjoy Borderlands. :/
Gets pretty repetitive to me, why I didnt enjoy Borderlands. :/
ihearthawthats
Banned
Honestly, I wish more games would require multiplayer.
For a game that is supposedly a MMO, I don't see the shocking news here. So long as grouped PvE isn't your only late game option, there's nothing here to be upset about.
I really hope they nail the difficulty on those raids, or whatever they may choose to call them. If they make the really late game stuff incredibly easy and accessible, it really won't do much good for the game in the long run.
And I dearly hope they look at something like WoW, where they don't just jack up the hitpoints on enemies, but give them new behaviour patterns and abilities. And maybe even an extra boss that's exclusive to the highest dungeon difficulty.
I really hope they nail the difficulty on those raids, or whatever they may choose to call them. If they make the really late game stuff incredibly easy and accessible, it really won't do much good for the game in the long run.
And I dearly hope they look at something like WoW, where they don't just jack up the hitpoints on enemies, but give them new behaviour patterns and abilities. And maybe even an extra boss that's exclusive to the highest dungeon difficulty.
ElRenoRaven
Gold Member
Dr Mayonnaise
Member
Looks like I need to find some more PSN buddies before next September. In all seriousness this game is pretty much an MMOFPS so i'm not surprised that end game stuff could require more than one person.
Sorry, what are we "putting up with" exactly?
They're offering some co-op only content as optional end game.
This means you will have played the entire story campaign solo or co-op, and now there is an option to team up with others and take on harder content.
This game has been billed as co-op focused with allowances for SP since day one. And as they will allow you to solo your way through the story I just don't understand responses like yours.
It also started out $60 and filled to the brim with microtransactions as well. That is ultimately what turned me away, but yes, it got old fast as well. Destiny looks ungodly, but they can keep it if it is designed around a store.
pokeystaples
Banned
What I got from this: Some end stage stuff is so hard you will want to have some backup.
Am I wrong in thinking this?
Am I wrong in thinking this?
Sons Of Anarchy
Banned
Well that kinda of sucks
Crimson_Gold
Member
I don't think you're wrong. Basically they designed some end -game stuff around the idea that you'll need to play in a group to survive. You're not forced to play it, but if you do, you can't do it alone.
Gintoki313
Banned
I can't even remember the last time I played an MMO with friends. I mostly play them solo, so this is kinda unappealing. I'm still looking forward to the game, but ouch.
It sounds like you can play it solo, but just the end game will be tougher.
It sounds like you can play it solo, but just the end game will be tougher.
And it is bad that they alluded to their game design choices being fully enjoyable playing single player. Suspecting such disingenuity might be the case is actually why I did not preorder the game. Getting burning hard by Borderlands 2 taught me patience.
Jest Chillin
Member
They really didn't allude to that at all. They've always said that regular story missions can be completed Solo. They never said that every piece of content can be completed Solo.
Bungie are not responsible for people "half listening" and making assumptions.
OboroShogun
Banned
As long as there is no monthly fee. I expected it in all honesty.
There is no monthly fee, but that is unfortunately where I am expecting the microtransactions to come in.
flyinpiranha
Member
Yep, as long as some of this stuff is optional. The shitty part (as with any online/MMO type of game) is that all the best loot/rewards are behind those multiplayer bosses. Which would kind of suck.
This seriously has me worried. After NBA2K14 for the PS4, I don't trust any developer with MT in their game. I will wait on almost any type of game if this is mentioned anywhere.
Game looks promising, online requirement is fine, grouping is fine (it's not like they are hiding this from us) but I have a good feeling that NONE of the reviews will mention any MT bullshit (if it has it) so will have to wait for user-reviews.
My mistake, I guess. I was not aware that not hearing what is not said, constituted "half-listening".
My only issue with this style of MMO is that as a father who's gaming usually consists of grabbed couples of hrs here and there during the week, and 2-3 Sat night thru to 3am sessions a month, joining a guild/party team and really being able to contribute to that group is a worry.
My other concern is how to choose between this and The Division, which seems to share the same MMO-ish elements/co-op play and so on. I suspect I'll only be able to commit to one of these on my gaming schedule.
Seriously tho, watching that demo during E3 when that giant spider-tank thing dropped in and 4 separate player groups came together to fight it I was sold on this game, an generally I prefer TPS to FPS.
My other concern is how to choose between this and The Division, which seems to share the same MMO-ish elements/co-op play and so on. I suspect I'll only be able to commit to one of these on my gaming schedule.
Seriously tho, watching that demo during E3 when that giant spider-tank thing dropped in and 4 separate player groups came together to fight it I was sold on this game, an generally I prefer TPS to FPS.
OboroShogun
Banned
I refuse to play any game that is littered with microtransactions if they are used to profit off of an overly tedious game progression.
If they're optional & do cosmetic stuff rather than Forza-level ultra-grinding to get x or y, or to block main game content (e.g. storyline stuff) I don't have an issue.
Not every game has to appeal to every gamer. And every game should not be forced to conform to your rules. This game is not for a gamer like you.
The whole point of loot-driven games, is the endgame loot.
That having been said, if the endgame loot is in fact locked behind a wall of multiplayer-only content, then how, exactly, is such a game a solo-player experience at all? I realize that this truth inexplicably offends many a multiplayer fan, but there it is.
That having been said, if the endgame loot is in fact locked behind a wall of multiplayer-only content, then how, exactly, is such a game a solo-player experience at all? I realize that this truth inexplicably offends many a multiplayer fan, but there it is.
Looking at the article, it's super clear why people are confused (and agitated). The OXM article states can't complete "missions" without playing co-op. Jones never says that in the GI interview. He specifically and explicitly is speaking about "end game activities," "the most intense non-competitive activities."
Missions, of course, heavily implies story/campaign. You aren't required or forced to play any story missions in Destiny as part of a co-op group.
Make more sense?
It's not. It shouldn't be advertised as a single player experience at all.
