CyclopsRock
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FIFA fines English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh FAs for wearing poppies.
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Absolutely the right decision, the poppy is a political symbol.
It might represent politics you agree with, but just because you agree with a political position doesn't stop it being political.
Just like how FIFA being a corrupt shower of shite doesn't automatically make every decision of their's wrong.
It might represent politics you agree with, but just because you agree with a political position doesn't stop it being political.
Just like how FIFA being a corrupt shower of shite doesn't automatically make every decision of their's wrong.
Sort of agree with FIFA's decision tbh (as much as I hate to agree with anything those corrupt shits do)
FIFA can't go around deciding what symbols are acceptable for teams to wear. Can you imagine the shit show if Argentina wore some symbol in support of their troops in the Falklands war?
FIFA can't go around deciding what symbols are acceptable for teams to wear. Can you imagine the shit show if Argentina wore some symbol in support of their troops in the Falklands war?
FIFA is a fucking joke.
Also I never understood the point of separating sport and politics. Countries, and a large number of club teams throughout the world, are political entities in the first place. Expecting a random soccer game between Ukraine and Russia not to get political is unrealistic.
Also I never understood the point of separating sport and politics. Countries, and a large number of club teams throughout the world, are political entities in the first place. Expecting a random soccer game between Ukraine and Russia not to get political is unrealistic.
NekoFever
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Hate to say it but FIFA's right.
The poppy has become hugely politicised, particularly since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A national campaign to commemorate war dead is innately political we're not talking about a private commemoration like a funeral here. There is huge pressure on public figures to wear them, including shaming and threats towards those who don't, because it's politicised. Jon Snow has to explain why he doesn't wear one on TV every single year; Charlene White, who doesn't wear one on TV for the same reason, has the same thing with the added bonus of racist and sexist abuse. And the insistence that it isn't political in the face of all this is an attempt to shut down the criticism of the browbeating.
Let's not forget that no football teams, clubs or internationals, wore poppies on their shirts until 2010. England didn't do it until 2011. England and Scotland played each other two days after Remembrance Sunday in 1999 (Euro 2000 qualifiers) and neither team wore poppies, laid a wreath or even held a minute's silence. That wasn't controversial then why is it now? Politics.
FIFA isn't arbitrarily coming down on a long-standing tradition but rather enforcing its existing rules and not letting us be special snowflakes on this issue.
The poppy has become hugely politicised, particularly since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A national campaign to commemorate war dead is innately political we're not talking about a private commemoration like a funeral here. There is huge pressure on public figures to wear them, including shaming and threats towards those who don't, because it's politicised. Jon Snow has to explain why he doesn't wear one on TV every single year; Charlene White, who doesn't wear one on TV for the same reason, has the same thing with the added bonus of racist and sexist abuse. And the insistence that it isn't political in the face of all this is an attempt to shut down the criticism of the browbeating.
Let's not forget that no football teams, clubs or internationals, wore poppies on their shirts until 2010. England didn't do it until 2011. England and Scotland played each other two days after Remembrance Sunday in 1999 (Euro 2000 qualifiers) and neither team wore poppies, laid a wreath or even held a minute's silence. That wasn't controversial then why is it now? Politics.
FIFA isn't arbitrarily coming down on a long-standing tradition but rather enforcing its existing rules and not letting us be special snowflakes on this issue.
WaterAstro
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FIFA needs those moneys for rolexs.
n00bsauce87
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You make it seem as though they didn't have their checkbooks ready for this.
Hate to agree with FIFA on this one but they are right. There were 3 options
1. Don't allow anyone to wear the poppy
2. Force everyone to wear the poppy including those that feel uncomfortable with it
3. Allow people to chose wether to wear the poppy and watch everyone who doesn't get horrifically harassed
Best of a awkward situation I guess
1. Don't allow anyone to wear the poppy
2. Force everyone to wear the poppy including those that feel uncomfortable with it
3. Allow people to chose wether to wear the poppy and watch everyone who doesn't get horrifically harassed
Best of a awkward situation I guess
Pancake Mix
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Proof of a United Kingdom. Cool to see this and a good way to pay tribute to the soldiers who made much larger sacrifices than fines they could afford.
Meanwhile, Argentina got fined far, far less for a terrible statement.
For some reason they think they own islands that no settlers were ever expelled from, the UK settled second after a brief French colony that went nowhere, and them being islands with no indigenous population. Argentina believe they have a right because they're closer despite that not being how anything has ever worked.
Meanwhile, Argentina got fined far, far less for a terrible statement.
For some reason they think they own islands that no settlers were ever expelled from, the UK settled second after a brief French colony that went nowhere, and them being islands with no indigenous population. Argentina believe they have a right because they're closer despite that not being how anything has ever worked.
Hippolnareff
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They've been fined for it many times in the past. The British Media is using this non-story to distract the public from far more important story.
Pancake Mix
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Uh-huh, and what's that? Brexit gets an enormous amount of coverage.
For those saying 'It's not FIFAs job to get political or judge symbolism' and so are in the right for this - is that how you square away them going to Russia and Quatar?
"Hey brahs, it ain't our job to judge fundamentally homophobic governments and the many deaths in Quatar building the stadiums - we just play kicky kicky bally bally"
Not. Gonna. Fly.
Fuck FIFA.
"Hey brahs, it ain't our job to judge fundamentally homophobic governments and the many deaths in Quatar building the stadiums - we just play kicky kicky bally bally"
Not. Gonna. Fly.
Fuck FIFA.
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Not to mention the fact that by imposing the fine they are judging political symbolism.
What happens say, when the Queen pops her clogs? If there's an international fixture there's no way that the national sides wont wear a black armband in commemoration of the event, which of course would be a far more directly political act as the monarch is the nominal head of state.
Just. Not. Practical.
PJV3
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P!ain black armbands are fine according to FIFA, I wouldn't care if they marked her passing or not in that instance.
IdreamofHIME
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41378397
Ban to be lifted before this years games.
Teams can use the Poppy symbol as long as the opposition agrees and the fines from last year are being dropped.
Ban to be lifted before this years games.
Teams can use the Poppy symbol as long as the opposition agrees and the fines from last year are being dropped.
As noted many times above, it has been turned into a political symbol and FIFA have every right to fine any organisation that breaks the rules they said they would not break when competing in FIFA tournaments.
Does not wearing the damn thing for an hour and a half out of a sixteen hour day really mean anything or are people just getting riled up because? This looks just like "but muh freedoms" to me. I understood and respected the Irish team for wearing what they did, but I'm not yelling about the mean FIFA people who want to trample my country's political symbols, am I?
Sheesh. Mountains out of molehills.
Does not wearing the damn thing for an hour and a half out of a sixteen hour day really mean anything or are people just getting riled up because? This looks just like "but muh freedoms" to me. I understood and respected the Irish team for wearing what they did, but I'm not yelling about the mean FIFA people who want to trample my country's political symbols, am I?
Sheesh. Mountains out of molehills.
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