At the end of the day, if that is the correct way to hold a DS3 . . . then yea pretty much.
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At the end of the day, if that is the correct way to hold a DS3 . . . then yea pretty much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX9rwbF3HkQthere is no assumption. It is better, or at least it is for me. The 360 contour's my hands perfectly, the D-pad is the only flaw. I loved the original Xbox Controller S as well. Asymmetrical for me is far more natural and I owned a PS2 before my Xbox.
It's an ergonomic miracle IMO. Makes PC gaming from bed sooooo good.
Jon of the Wired
Member
I didn't intend to come of as a zealot. Honestly, I play 95%+ of my games on PC, so I don't really feel like I have much stake in the "console wars". I'm really just kind of curious as to why people feel the way they do about the two controllers.
I have a weak preference for the DS3 over the 360 controller, which is somewhat stronger when playing dual-stick anything, but I see a lot of arguments about why I should prefer the 360 pad. What's weird is that the arguments that are made as to why the DS3 is bad don't seem to correlate at all with my experience using the DS3. Why is that? What's going on?
I guess it's probably just a matter of subjectivity, but especially on the matter of stick layout, people just seem so convinced that they're right.
And that was fucking hilarious. Thank you sir.
Yup. You are pretty much holding it wrong.
what lol
If you're just supposed to hold it with your fingers, why is there all that plastic to rest your palms on?
You can attempt to justify the shitty ergonomics of the Dual Shock all you want but in 2013 that design doesn't cut it any more. It didn't really cut it in 1997 either - they merely added two sticks to a 1994 design and elongated the handles so you wouldn't drop the controller. There's almost no ergonomic justification for the design of Dual Shock.
It didn't cut it in 2001 either vs the GC and Xbox S controller - two controllers designed for analogue input from the ground up, nor in 2005 against the Xbox 360 controller.
The DS4 is the controller we should have had years ago.
MoGamesXNA
Unconfirmed Member
I was a big proponent of the 360 controller this gen but Sony seems to have done everything right with the DS4. I /love/ the look of the combined concave/convext thumbsticks. I'm really pumped to give the DS4 a go.
Sony really need to put the Vita d-pad on this thing though. I'm confused as to why it wasn't on the pad from day one. It's perfect.
Sony really need to put the Vita d-pad on this thing though. I'm confused as to why it wasn't on the pad from day one. It's perfect.
Arc Christelle
Member
Don't worry about that I don't really have a gripe about what you were saying, I mean after all, this is coming from a guy who prefers the Xbox 360 controller for fighting games, and uses the analog instead of D-Pad.
As for the DS3 argument, I mean it might depend on how long you've used the Playstation controller. It was never a favorite to me and because I never used it all my life as my preferred controller, I feel that I can see all the flaws. Even with the D-Pad that everyone once praised, although I just might like the Vita Pad hopefully.
As for the symmetry vs asymmetry..... that goes down a long list of silly shit that's subjective... HOWEVER...... The DualShock always had terrible analog sticks. I hope this one breaks the habbit.
Anuson.Phan
Banned
The touchpad would be nice if it had squared indicators that light up similar to the galaxy s3 back and option button. That way it would be perfect for swype because the boxes that light up would indicate letters on the touchpad..
light up when needed as a indicator.
Those little dots would light up
light up when needed as a indicator.
Those little dots would light up
I can confirm all of the above is true. FWIW, my biggest fear about the DS4 was its competence for FPS games (I can't play them at all on the DS3), and those fears are gone now. Feels very solid.
It never was an issue for those who held the DS as it should be; tips of the thumbs on the sticks, the handles resting on your fingers, instead of gripping them with your palms.
Like this.
Exactly, I never got how people got their thumbs even close to each other and my hands are huge.
fart town usa
Gold Member
this has me cracking up.
Touchpad. How many times..........
The 360 pad feels more comfortable when cramming it deep into your palms, the DS3 pad feels like it's stuck in between being designed to fit into your palms and designed to just be held with your fingers. It doesn't fill enough space in your grasp (or at least mine). The 360 wedges itself into your grasp making it feel snug and tight without being awkward. The stick placement is the least relevant part of that equation for me in the end (the sticks being tighter is important though imo for both pads).
If you look at the shape of the....handles? The 360 pad is a little fatter and more rounded, while the DS3 looks a bit more angular with tighter curves that dont seem like they're molded to fit a human hand, but to look a certain way without as much regard towards ergonomics. The controller in general isn't that hard to design as it's all about comfort and convenience compromising with features you intend to implement using the controller. The 360 controller seems to have simply had a bit more care put into it. The handles of the DS4 look promising to me as I think about holding it.
If you look at the shape of the....handles? The 360 pad is a little fatter and more rounded, while the DS3 looks a bit more angular with tighter curves that dont seem like they're molded to fit a human hand, but to look a certain way without as much regard towards ergonomics. The controller in general isn't that hard to design as it's all about comfort and convenience compromising with features you intend to implement using the controller. The 360 controller seems to have simply had a bit more care put into it. The handles of the DS4 look promising to me as I think about holding it.
It never was an issue for those who held the DS as it should be; tips of the thumbs on the sticks, the handles resting on your fingers, instead of gripping them with your palms.
Like this.
That's it right there. Any other way is wrong. Not "preference", just wrong in terms of how the controller wad designed to be held.
SniperHunter
Banned
good thing they went to Bungie and asked for some input, those guys make the best console FPS's
Oppo
Member
The amount of energy expended by typing out endless arguments over asymmetrical vs symmetrical cosmically dwarfs the amount of energy either party would need to expend in order to move their left thumb an additonal few millimeters.
Someday I'll unpack this thing further and figure out why GAF cannot, cannot resist taking shots over this issue. It is just baffling how consistent it is in controller threads. The false pity that a company "didn't do the right thing" when a design is one way or the other; the sniping and accusations of deformed or ill-fitting hands; the overblown complaints of pain and discomfort with one or the other... its clearly not actually about the sticks but something more fundamental, some sort of deep-rooted nerd twitch, like hitting a knee with a doctor's hammer. And everyone somehow is automatically an absurdly qualified ergonomics expert.
Anyways. Do we know what the bluetooth chip is like in this thing? I assume BT 2.0 EDR? I liked the earlier theory that it might be able to have at least full stereo game audio streamed to it, for easy headphone use.
Someday I'll unpack this thing further and figure out why GAF cannot, cannot resist taking shots over this issue. It is just baffling how consistent it is in controller threads. The false pity that a company "didn't do the right thing" when a design is one way or the other; the sniping and accusations of deformed or ill-fitting hands; the overblown complaints of pain and discomfort with one or the other... its clearly not actually about the sticks but something more fundamental, some sort of deep-rooted nerd twitch, like hitting a knee with a doctor's hammer. And everyone somehow is automatically an absurdly qualified ergonomics expert.
Anyways. Do we know what the bluetooth chip is like in this thing? I assume BT 2.0 EDR? I liked the earlier theory that it might be able to have at least full stereo game audio streamed to it, for easy headphone use.
Baller. PhD
Banned
It never was an issue for those who held the DS as it should be; tips of the thumbs on the sticks, the handles resting on your fingers, instead of gripping them with your palms.
Like this.
I didn't even realize people held it differently. That explains everything. The people complaining about symmetrical stick placement (superior, btw) are probably the same people who held the N64 controller like this:
smh
I would lol so hard if MS made the Durango controller symmetrical. It won't happen but the reactions would be almost worth it.
Seriously though, I have no problem adjusting to either one and with the exception of R2/L2 both feel fine to me. Just takes a bit to adjust to one after the other.
Seriously though, I have no problem adjusting to either one and with the exception of R2/L2 both feel fine to me. Just takes a bit to adjust to one after the other.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Well it certainly looks like a badly needed improvement over the DS3, I'll wait until I get m,y hands on it before passing judgement though.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
What? There's no way you'll ever touch those buttons accidentally.
Pagusas
Elden Member
This is how I hold it (not my photo)
The problem is how long my thumbs are. I see a lot of native PS3 users have 4 fingers on the shoulder and triggers, I can not hold it that way (nor would I ever want to, way to uncomfortable). My index finger wants to controll the triggers (and shoulder buttons when needed), same way I hold a 360 controller.
I think a large part of holding it this way has to do with being a old school gamer front he nes days. all up till late in the psone life cycle the controllers consintrated on being held touch the dpad and face bottoms. The Psone original controller was designed to be held this way with your thumbs hitting the face buttons and dpad. Then the analogue sticks were added, and if anyone remembers the first analogue stick from sony had MUCH longer grips extended from the bottom, allowing it to rest in your palm a lot better, allowing you to still hold the controller as pictured above and reach the analog.sticks with a normal sized thumb.
This was the best controller Sony designed for ergonomics, it allowed the controller to be held well, the sticks were concave, and it was a lot bigger then our current controllers. Sadly all its good qualities were stripped away for the DS2.
I can actually agree with this, it isn't the symmetrical vs asymmetrical thing I have issue with, its the face the sticks are in a location that is secondary, where as todays games use them as primary inputs. So yeah if sony were to move them both up I wouldnt complain either. But hopefully with the wider controller and more space given to them, they will still work where they are and be comfortable.
dragonelite
Member
Asymmetrical for life. Is my only issue.
I wish somebody would actually ask whether or not you can use the touchpad for aiming in FPS games.
Not soliciting whether some people's hands are too small for that. Because I'm only concerned about myself. And I could comfortably use the touchpad with my thumb. So I want to know if this is going to be an option in games. I like to think that's the reason it has a click. So it can replicate the stick click that's often mapped in games.
Not soliciting whether some people's hands are too small for that. Because I'm only concerned about myself. And I could comfortably use the touchpad with my thumb. So I want to know if this is going to be an option in games. I like to think that's the reason it has a click. So it can replicate the stick click that's often mapped in games.
robertsan21
Member
this looks like the most perfect controller ever. cant wait.
ComputerMKII
Banned
That looks promising.
The touchpad would be nice if it had squared indicators that light up similar to the galaxy s3 back and option button. That way it would be perfect for swype because the boxes that light up would indicate letters on the touchpad..
light up when needed as a indicator.
Those little dots would light up
Fuck, that would be pretty awesome. you could even display basic information on the pad.
As for the news in the OP? Music to my Xbox360 controller loving hands. Dualshock is a horrid, outdated design.
there is no assumption. It is better, or at least it is for me. The 360 contour's my hands perfectly, the D-pad is the only flaw. I loved the original Xbox Controller S as well. Asymmetrical for me is far more natural and I owned a PS2 before my Xbox.
It's an ergonomic miracle IMO. Makes PC gaming from bed sooooo good.
The most ergonomic controller was the Gamecube's controller. That thing just fit perfectly in my hands.
It does look like they are using the Vita's d-pad. Which I rike.
Acquiescence
Member
This is how I hold it (not my photo)
You are holding it wrong. So wrong.
The PS3 and PS2 controller are almost the same except the PS3's is improved. How did you play PS2 so much but loathe the PS3 controller?
I don't know about you but both of my hands and thumb placement are symmetrical on my body.
GOOD.
Biggest complaint when it came to the analog placement of Playstation controllers.
I would still prefer the way analog placement of Xbox controllers though but overall, that's good to hear.
Can't imagine why anyone's thumbs would ever hit. Trying to think of a scenario where you would be turning completely right and turning the camera completely left. Well I guess I could semi imagine it if you were death gripping the controller with your palms. Also I hope the sticks aren't as tight as the 360s my thumbs get tired quickly pushing on 360s stiff sticks. The thing I like about the Ds3 is that it's light and disappears into my hands and pushing the sticks is effortless.
It never was an issue for those who held the DS as it should be; tips of the thumbs on the sticks, the handles resting on your fingers, instead of gripping them with your palms.
Like this.
That's exactly how I hold the controller and I still had problems with my fingers bumping into each other; especially in games that use both analog sticks (obviously).
Ol No Bones
Banned
Great improvement. I love the 360 controller so much it sounds like they moved towards the 360 controller while remaining very dual shocky at the same time. I can't wait for these new consoles.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I hold it the same way I hold a 360 controller, the comfortable way (again not my photo)
I dont want to claw grip a controller ever, thats uncomfortable to me as I dont have midget hands.
You don't have to be doing that.
For me, my thumbs bump into each other when I have my right thumb rested on the right stick and then move the left analog stick to the right.
The top portion of my left thumb would frequently bump into a part of my right thumb (as it was rested on the right analog stick).