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Far Cry 3 seems to take one step forward, two steps back (RPS impressions inside)
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T.M. MacReady
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Most polarizing game of this gen, if you ask me. I and many others absolutely love it. Others call it hot garbage, terribad, and the worst game of the gen. Truly crazy.
I hope they don't neuter FC3 too much...there's gotta be a pleasant middle ground.
And which elements of Far Cry 2 were deep?
you were able to fix the engine of your car
And you can spend diamonds digitally to buy and upgrade weapons instantly, that's innovation, digital diamonds.
We did see it, it's Crysis.
Please, don't even compare STALKER and Far Cry 2. STALKER is on a whole other level of existence. It's the best open world FPS of all time.
For a moment there I thought you were calling S.T.A.L.K.E.R. boring so naturally I got concerned for your mental health.
But now I see that you were talking about STAKLER.
Upgraded your post for ya.
There's more to do, but on the whole I found them very similar, outside of Stalker being more scary. I don't see why the comparison is outrageous.
I don't care, I was bored kinda the same way. I played the modded and upgraded version. If the AI in the original is even worse...wow.
That's a given yeah.
Using animals tactically that can also backfire on you.
dat homogenised FPS
I mean, if all the talk about emergent gameplay/situations from previews is smoke and mirrors, I'm more than willing to eat crow.
You seriously don't think it will be smoke and mirrors? After all the promises of Far Cry 2?
You really think these animals won't be equivalent to red barrels? That they're going to add a ton of depth to Far Cry 3's gameplay?
Uhh, dude...
The animals are also out in the wilderness, as are enemies and outposts.
Heh, don't remind me.
I'm pretty fond of Far Cry 2 overall but the distinction between the actual game and the stuff the devs said leading up to release was truly staggering even by typical dev hype standards.
Neuromancer
Member
I'm just happy we're getting another Far Cry game. Hopefully it will be good in its own different way but I don't expect it to be as amazing and non traditional as 2 was. Some changes seem to be made for the better (no more respawning checkpoints), some seem like they're for the worse (annoying talky character, overly scripted sequences). We'll just have to see.
I guess it helped my impression of the game that I only played it long after release, haha. I vaguely remember something about being able to kill the Jackal by starting a fire that eventually spreads to him. While that's neat, I can see why they scaled that down.
Barrel Cannon
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Constant medication, re-spawning and numerous enemies aside all the other removed things kind of sadden me 
. I love an empty(or nearly empty) HUD
. I love an empty(or nearly empty) HUD
Yep. FC3 looks disappointingly gamey in that respect.
Also the last video about the tribe basically scuppered all my hopes about the characters or story being worth anything.
Unless the co-op is the greatest thing since *example* this game is looking like a $10 (mayybe $20) purchase for me :/
Messofanego
Banned
It's not just the animals (which aren't only in cages, that's part of a sidequest) where some tester baited a cheetah into a camp and just sat back to see it unfold, but other stuff like the fire causing crazy stuff to happen or your warrior buddies at war with the enemies.
Warm Machine
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I recently started a new game of Far Cry 2 after having completed it about 24 hours the first time through. I've since put another 20 hours on it. The game is much like you describe.
Really, gamers should love it more for what it does and tries to do. It is the anti Call of Duty. It is open, unscripted, emergent, has non regen health, hard as hell, and incredibly flexible. It also has great mechanics with breakable/jamming weapons, malaria, fire propogation, and the buddy system.
People complain about Snipers who can see forever. The player with a sniper rifle can see forever, the AI has the same damn advantage as you do. Stealth isn't useless either. If you are a good player you can sneak around and stealth kill dudes.
The only negative I've experienced going through it a second time was the respawsn of guard posts which seemed more aggresive this time around.
I hope Far Cry 3 is as good as 2 was.
I also got bored of Farcry 2 fairly quickly, but I respect them for trying a lot of new things... I did get super bored of killing generic enemies with rusty AK47's over and over.
I've played around 40 hours of FC2 and I'm not seeing why it shouldn't. Gun jamming wasn't the defining mechanic, leave it in or take it out - it doesn't matter. Ubi would show only "tasty" pieces of the game to the press, i.e. gamey ones. The main quest could use more linearity, nothing is wrong with that.
Also is the protagonist black? It's pretty rare by today's standards. They should give him some military background though.
staticneuron
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Exact same feelings I have about FC2.
FC2 wasn't close to the original Far Cry. So why would 3 be similar to 2?
Except Nathan Drake isn't an"Everyman". He is a professional thief and has been hanging out with shady characters and doing shady crap since he was a child.
I was very late to the Stalker party but I was late to witcher and fell in love with it. After playing the game in stalker and realizing that shooting a guy in the head didn't kill them, pretty much killed the experience for me.
If so he has some very pale hands. I think you're thinking of the (friendly?) native faction that also fights the pirates.
hm.... I haven't experienced it. Unless he wears a helmet all bandits go down pretty fast.
DJ Crimson
Banned
It seems like he's overvaluing FC2 just to make a point...
Plenty of gameplay floating around. A mission with hang gliding, diving and riding a jet ski. Character models look great and the world is gorgeous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-t9j3ReWcY
I will love spending hours in this world.
VibratingDonkey
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One man's backwards steps is another's step forward.
Messofanego
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5:43 OH WOW
Stealth was bad in FC 2, but looks like they've added things to support that style. Being able to drag bodies and throw rocks as distraction, bow and arrows, knife, hmm might actually go for a stealth playthrough even if won't be as complete as Dishonored.
You talking about how he stabbed one guy and threw the blade into another? Badass move indeed. How about the view from the hang glider?
They've released a lot of gameplay. The things I'm worried about are hard to find in short bursts of gameplay though. I'm buying the game most likely so I'll find out then.
ironcreed said:
I remember hearing that's an ability you unlock with XP. As eye roll inducing as that is it is a badass move.
At least it provides a sense of progression and learning things, though. Another thing you may have noticed in that gameplay is that enemy markers do not appear until you mark them with your scope. I suppose you could avoid doing that if you want.
EDIT: Wow, okay, that was a lot longer than I'd anticipated, and what is intended as a chiding tone might sound a bit more aggressive than I mean. Apologies if that's the case. I just want to express an alternative point of view while expressing the great frustration I feel that a game I so very much love is being hated on because it was so deeply misunderstood. Imagine if Dark Souls got turned into a cover-based FPS and you might understand how I'm feeling right now.
I'm genuinely baffled by some of the comments about Far Cry 2 here. I knew it was a game that was easy to play incorrectly, but wow.
Most of the game's faults happened as a result of it trying to be a game. It needed to go all the way with simulation mechanics--because those would have fixed, for instance, the respawn areas, every NPC being out to get you, and stuff like that. At the same time, it failed to communicate just how open it really was; by reading these complaints, it sounds like a lot of people constrained themselves to behaviors learned in other video games, and they were incapable of treating Far Cry 2's Africa like a real space, much less respecting it as one, which hurt their experience a lot.
Still, Far Cry 2 was a superb game. Yes, the checkpoints had fast respawn times, but these weren't an issue at all if you accepted the world as a real world, rather than a game, and stopped trying to play it like every other shooter out there (because it's NOT every other shooter out there), you'd actually have fun with it.
Using all the tools provided--buses, cars, and boats (especially boats), meant that you didn't come across checkpoints all that often, which, in turn, solved all the complaints. Stop using cars all the damn time, and most of your complaints get solved right away. People are talking about cars showing up "every thirty seconds." Bullshit. Cars showed up, but not nearly that often, and a wise use of buses and boats would have helped balance that out.
Look at your gun--notice if it starts getting rusty--and replace it. Pay attention to the game. Malaria showed up once every couple of hours in my playthrough, and I was rarely in a position when it proved to be a problem. You know what, though? In the times it did, I often had a buddy from that awesome-ass buddy system to help me out of the mess, creating a more emergent, interesting experience.
A friend of mine once complained to me that Gears of War 3 wasn't interesting, because the Lancer was the most efficient weapon in the game, so he'd just use that and play the game with one gun all the way through. His absurd sense of efficiency destroyed his ability to have any fun. He never tried to test the game--to see what it could do.
Most of you, from the looks of things, didn't deserve Far Cry 2, because you sure as hell didn't understand it. Your responses read to me like people who hated Dark Souls because they weren't willing to give it the respect it deserved. Where Far Cry 2 says "hey, here's all these things you can have! Go wild!" most of the complaints I'm hearing indicate to me that you guys... well, you didn't.
It almost sounds like, secretly, you all just wanted a linear, corridor shooter that told you what to do.
God, complaints born from ignorance are depressing.
Maybe if Far Cry 2 had led you by the hand, or maybe if you'd been more open to what it was offering, you would have understood just how fucking incredible of a game it was, because it's not near as broken as you seem to think. It was an uncut diamond, which is a helluva lot more valuable than a polished-up, nicely cut bit of glass.
Far Cry 3 should be an improved version of Far Cry 2. The rust system should slow down a bit, the Buddy system should have characters that actually feel like people, the quest system could stand to have better things, ally or neutral NPCs should inhabit the world, checkpoints should respawn more slowly (iirc it's 20 minutes in Far Cry 2) and the game should rely a lot more on AI simulation, with better AI and a focus on enabling players to sneak around. Gamified bits, like all stores functioning the same, or all hideouts being basically identical, should be changed so that they feel like real locations. Far Cry 3 should feel even more like a real world that players can do anything with than Far Cry 2.
Instead, we've just got an open-world FPS with XP systems. At least it does feel a bit stealthier, I guess, and it looks pretty. Some of those missions look awfully on-rails, though--where's the focus on improvisation and immersive simulation that the previous game did so well? :\
ITT: people make fun of people with different opinions for the sake of it
really gaf?
edit: okay you can make fun of this:
really gaf?
edit: okay you can make fun of this:
Warm Machine
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Bravo DocSuess, bravo.
Yep. I would add FEAR to that list if you include 2005 as this generation. Not surprisingly they were all developed for the PC first.
Although Bulletstorm is number 3 just because of the unique mechanics it had.
FC3 just looks like another open world FPS game with XP bonuses
It's like you didn't even play the same game as me. Were you doing nothing but driving down the roads? I spent tons of time wandering through the jungle or plains without fighting anything. FC2 had as much combat as you wanted. If you stayed off the road and took some time to map out your route so that you stayed away from checkpoints, you were fine. My favorite part of the game was working my way across the plains by finding a tall hill, scouting ahead with the sniper rifle, and trying to avoid as many enemies as I could.
Again, I had a completely different experience than this. I mostly played with the sniper rifle, and I was always hiding from the AI after picking off a few of them. If you could distract them by starting a fire, or by breaking line of sight, it was easy to lose the AI. I actually thought it was great how the AI would start searching for you once you hid. Timing your missions to occur at night helped too.
industrian
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He was designed as an everyman, with the entire marketing push behind Uncharted 1 focusing on Drake being an everyman. The back of the box literally says "One ordinary man... one extraordinary adventure."
reading the article in OP they got rid of
malaria
guns jaming
respawning ennemies at outposts
constant ennemies spawning everywhere
bad fuckin story
bland characters
man, what a shame they took the features that made farcry 2 great.
Yeah, but it sounds like they added a whole new level of shittiness to make up for it.
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