I'm still waiting for someone at Microsoft to say they won't bring it back, it's funny how they are avoiding that question and giving BS replies to it. Makes you think they still have same plans to get it back.
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Microsoft: Xbox One reversals haven't hurt us; "we're in an enviable position"
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I'm still waiting for someone at Microsoft to say they won't bring it back, it's funny how they are avoiding that question and giving BS replies to it. Makes you think they still have same plans to get it back.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Unprecedented overdelivery.
Well if you're going to twist my arguments, put words in my mouth and debate stuff I haven't said, maybe this would be the best course of action.
Good for you but from what I'm seeing everywhere you're in the minority in this one.
On the market as well as in politics, majority rules.
I'm not saying I like that, I'm saying it's how it goes.
If you're meaning that they changed their message quickly that's at least arguable.
If you mean that they're seen by everyone as a nimble startup...
DeviantBoi
Member
Well, the Ouya folks are certainly envious.
They should but only if they can slap in Free 3G for the check ins.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
I certainly don't envy his job where he has to spew such bullshit for a living. And his primary competitors do not feel the same way either. The ability to recite a bold faced lie like that is something else.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
This. If you think things are bad on message boards, the general public is straight up misinformed. The biggest events of the year had MS going on about internet check ins and no used games sales and DRM and Mattrick telling people who don't have internet access to buy a 360 instead. Then Adam Boyes and Yoshida blew up the internet with their how to trade games on PS4 video. I would be more shocked if a stranger on the street had all the current facts.
Uh, they did a bit more than change their messaging. It's not like they're releasing the same console and policies on November 22nd, as they announced May 21st.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
In what way are they worse off? Have they not sold out their new console in both the US and UK whilst continuing to dominate the sales charts?
What else can they do at this stage?
SwiftDeath
Member
100 USD price difference is certainly the greatest differentiator and problem for MS right now but there was damage to the brand itself
A lot of casuals appear to believe the original policies are still in place at least from the smattering of anecdotal evidence I've seen thus far
As always MS still needs to sell the kinect to casuals and I have yet to see any real success in that regard
1st kinect left a bad impression on a lot of casuals that I know
Pauly Math
Neo Member
We have a console for people like you.
MS needs to get better at how they word PR messages. He could have simply said something like:
"Our initial decisions definitely hurt us and we apologize for not fully understanding what our fans wanted. However, we've worked hard every day to try to make the Xbox One the console that will live up to our fans' expectations. We're not quite there yet, but we're getting closer every day, and our preorder numbers are showing that."
But then again MS is an American company and the words "humble" and "American" are almost antonyms.
"Our initial decisions definitely hurt us and we apologize for not fully understanding what our fans wanted. However, we've worked hard every day to try to make the Xbox One the console that will live up to our fans' expectations. We're not quite there yet, but we're getting closer every day, and our preorder numbers are showing that."
But then again MS is an American company and the words "humble" and "American" are almost antonyms.
for all we know the whole infrastructure for everything was not ready anyway for launch.
And I was more arguing about the "quickly" part.
And considering that most of the policies can be reinstated (especially the always online part) it's not like it's gone forever either.
At least I'm pretty sure that's a reasonable expectation.
Wow.
Super Nothing
Member
Were you impressed by this?
I was impressed by the Gunstringer, but not because of anything Kinect related. The gameplay was pretty weak, but it was really funny and entertaining. It came with my Kinect (along with Fruit Ninja), so the novelty of controllerless gaming hadn't worn off yet, and the game was fairly short so I didn't burn out on the lackluster game mechanics. The Gunstringer wasn't a bad game, but I wouldn't buy a Kinect 2.0 to play a sequel.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
This is a good thing for us as the only way to fix that problem is through compelling software.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
The arrogance and double talk is astounding. "We remain true to our vision," my god. LOL
They can't possibly believe people are this stupid?!?!
They can't possibly believe people are this stupid?!?!
The Living Tribunal
Member
Regarding the general populace not knowing about the 180, I genuinely think once they heard about the policies they've just ignored the XB1, and switched off on anything MS has to say. As the saying goes, you only have one chance to make a first impression.
For me personally, that is somewhat true even though I know about the 180's, I'm happy to hop on the PS4 boat, it does what I want out of a game console.
For me personally, that is somewhat true even though I know about the 180's, I'm happy to hop on the PS4 boat, it does what I want out of a game console.
Going back and reading them both (missed the first link)
The "didn't lose sleep" isn't even in what he said. Why do these sites/magazines like to put words in people's mouths. I guess it gets some good clicks in.
I see the "momentum thing".
I think it did hurt with the hardcore, but I don't think it will hurt mainstream sales during/after the holidays.
The "didn't lose sleep" isn't even in what he said. Why do these sites/magazines like to put words in people's mouths. I guess it gets some good clicks in.
I see the "momentum thing".
I think it did hurt with the hardcore, but I don't think it will hurt mainstream sales during/after the holidays.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
They tried something new. They heard the loud minority and have changed their stance. Sometimes you try something new... it doesn't work you go back to what people wanted in the first place.
Time to let go of your anger.
Mindshare, consumer/public attitudes, polls, preorder ratios, word of mouth....
SlipperyMoose
Member
Nothing good ever comes out of threads like this. It brings out the least likable people on the forums and just ends up in vortex of ignorance.
That reminds me. Do we still need a day 1 patch to get rid of the DRM that was originally planned? Or has that changed along with the hardware increases?
As far as all this talk, it reminds me a lot of
I don't know what is so "Wow" about it. Having spent virtually all of my life in the US, that's exactly how the culture is. It's a me, me, me culture where admitting you are wrong somehow shows you are not confident, and being confident is better than being right.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Well if they have no supply issues why are they selling out of their new console well below the number of orders taken for the PS4?
I know it is anecdotal, but nearly every account a person has made inquiry about preorders has shown the PS4 to have 2 to 3 times more preorders. Zomgbbq received info from a major retailer in the UK that had hard number that showed a 2 to 1 ratio in favor of PS4. BTW the PS4 is launching in more countries. Something doesn't add up there. I own a Vita so sales are not the end all be all to me, but I do find it annoying when a company is trying to mislead people. You can't say preorders are outstanding and we are selling out, then offer preorder incentives in the form of Forza and Fifa 14, and still be so far behind Sony in preorders. Then launch in less territories and claim to have no supply problems, even though they are "sold out" and again well below PS4 orders. Again it doesn't add up, and it comes across as if they are trying to hide a problem(s).
Well come on pal, when your main rival's own country doesn't even really care for their next offering, what else you gonna say huh? Come on man. You're better than this.
Wowwwwww
FinalStageBoss
Banned
That arrogance and stupidity is what put them in the position they're in today, which I wouldn't call "enviable" btw.
inpHilltr8r
Member
Oh I dunno. There were what, six different versions of Vista? How's that not choice?
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
You see... that wouldn't be so bad, since you can connect 3G anywhere.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Well the title is right, the reversals helped them a lot. They are going to sell far more Ones now than they would have had they not listened.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
He's claiming that they weren't "hurt" because their engineers literally flipped a switch and turned off the DRM that was so integral to the console. All the bad stuff is gone (day one patch still?) so they're back to square one apparently.
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this really helped to prove him wrong, lol.
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