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mcrommert
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(05-19-2017, 06:09 PM)
TLDR: We are cheap

Give us your money

Originally Posted by SargerusBR

Overwatch, Halo 5, Battlefront 2, CoD IW

Titanfall, gears of war 4, on and on and on and on and on

Modern shooters on console are 60fps with proper tick rates and dedicated servers...period

It is the bare fucking minimum
Septic360
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(05-19-2017, 06:09 PM)
Pathetic......
Gamer @ Heart
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Goddamn Luke. You think you would have practiced that question a bit more.
Defuser
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Activision don't care. Modern Warfare 2 was a clear sign that gamers will lapped it up regardless no dedicated servers.
Furanshi
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(05-19-2017, 06:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Kthulhu

Wait for reviews. Don't​ buy it at launch.

Can't play it at launch even if I wanted to, since I'm going to be playing on pc. :^)
Lister
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(05-19-2017, 06:10 PM)
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If an improved network experience is what you are lookgin to achieve, this is the wrong way to go about it, Bungie.
KarneeKarnay
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No dedicated servers for what is meant to be an MMO...This sounds like a terrible idea.
Baleoce
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Luke Smith: "It's just not an investment that we made for Destiny 2, like the uh... I understand there's certainly a desire for it. You know, the smaller team format, although it's one person bigger in the Trials case for sure here, in the smaller team format in general it's easier for us to find tighter matches. And we're also going to rechange the parameters for matchmaking, to refocus on connection quality instead of like Trials win matching. WE're gonna like change the, we're going to change a bunch of parameters to focus on giving people a better network experience."

yeah thank god you cleared that one up..
MrTroubleMaker
(05-19-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Disgusting, a very wealthy company is to cheap for dedicated servers.

get ready for the p2p hack fest :/
see5harp
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(05-19-2017, 06:10 PM)

Originally Posted by josecitoxnyo

Non of this post makes any kind of sense. lol. You don't have any kind of context of how both games work, their requierments server side, their networking implementation and requierements, etc.

It's just a blatant rant.

Neither do you. We already know how much better dedis work for a game running on Bungie tech like Halo. That's all that should matter.
MasterOfPastures
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(05-19-2017, 06:10 PM)
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You'd think with the 30% they are pocketing by not being on Steam would enable dedi servers at least for PC.
Luke, this is bullshit.
Rexatality
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(05-19-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nabbis

You should be happy Bungie even made a game for you lower lifeforms to enjoy.

Nice job insulting Destiny fans, I guess
Revolutionary
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(05-19-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Furanshi

Can't play it at launch even if I wanted to, since I'm going to be playing on pc. :^)

PC's delayed release is going to be a blessing in disguise. Especially when they announce Overwatch crossover skins. :p
OdysseusVA
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(05-19-2017, 06:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Kthulhu

COD doesn't.

Still on a "hybrid" system or did they give up the dream?
Saucycarpdog
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Sounds like changing all the PvP playlists to 4v4 is their "solution".
polyh3dron
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And this is why I'll wait until the complete edition a couple years down the road. I don't want to invest in the content drip feed if they don't want to invest in dedicated servers.

It's just not an investment I'm making for Destiny 2, Luke.
LiK
(05-19-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by MrTroubleMaker

Disgusting, a very wealthy company is to cheap for dedicated servers.

It's just surprising because of how popular the first game was and still is. You'd think they would invest money in dedicated servers. Players have complained about the lag so much but I guess it doesn't matter.
ctw0e
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(05-19-2017, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by josecitoxnyo

Non of this post makes any kind of sense. lol. You don't have any kind of context of how both games work, their requierments server side, their networking implementation and requierements, etc.

It's just a blatant rant.

I'm not comparing how they work ... Do I need to know their networking implementation inside out in order to criticize their decision on this matter? Not sure what your point is.

I'm saying Psyonix made the right choice, and I find it amusing that a company with infinite resources can't do the same.
Cmerrill
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(05-19-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Cheap fucking bastards. Shows you how much they care about the consumer.
Pandora012
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I for one enjoyed the lag fest that was Trials and Iron Banner.
Risible
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(05-19-2017, 06:14 PM)
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I wonder young Luke Smith is ashamed of old Luke Smith.
opricnik
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(05-19-2017, 06:14 PM)

Originally Posted by ctw0e

Psyonix, indie-studio behind a very popular multiplayer title: 60fps, dedicated servers on all platforms on launch

Activision, multi-billion dollar company: 30fps, P2P

Oranges and apples and all that, but I do find it amusing. 30fps and P2P in a multiplayer game for $70 is absolutely out of the question.

This.

Bungie still thinks gaming is stuck X360 era making halo 3 or something. Their all recent creations shows this. 30 fps, no dedicated servers,late pc ports.


wow gtfo with that shit i will rather buy CoD WW2/FarCry or Battlefront 2

not like i am short on games
see5harp
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)

Originally Posted by OdysseusVA

Still on a "hybrid" system or did they give up the dream?

Hybrid system. Basically they lied like Guerilla did did with Killzone.
MrS
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pandora012

I for one enjoyed the lag fest that was Trials and Iron Banner.

My team got DDOS'd once. That was fun.
mcrommert
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Pandora012

I for one enjoyed the lag fest that was Trials and Iron Banner.

I also enjoyed...Destiny the only game where having a terrible connection, instead of making you unable to get kills, makes you into a superhero killing machine of sorts
AHA-Lambda
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"It's just not an investment that we made for Destiny 2, like the uh... I understand there's certainly a desire for it. You know, the smaller team format, although it's one person bigger in the Trials case for sure here, in the smaller team format in general it's easier for us to find tighter matches. And we're also going to rechange the parameters for matchmaking, to refocus on connection quality instead of like Trials win matching. WE're gonna like change the, we're going to change a bunch of parameters to focus on giving people a better network experience."

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean =/
constantstatic
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kthulhu

COD doesn't.

Cod has dedicated servers and uses a hybrid system so if you live far from a server it looks for p2p matches.

Here are the locations shown in a YouTubers netduma router.

https://youtu.be/qIE2q56LA-4
josecitoxnyo
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(05-19-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by ctw0e

I'm not comparing how they work ... Do I need to know their networking implementation inside out in order to criticize their decision on this matter? Not sure what your point is.

I'm saying Psyonix made the right choice, and I find it amusing that a company with infinite resources can't do the same.

What makes that the right choice? That's the question you need to ask yourself, Dedicated servers are no magical solution, they are good as their implementation, if they work like crap, they are no different than any other solution. That's what people need to understand, it's not simply a thing to bitch about the game doesn't have.

Originally Posted by see5harp

Neither do you. We already know how much better dedis work for a game running on Bungie tech like Halo. That's all that should matter.

I completely do, that's why i don't bitch about them and i would instead focus my criticism towards why they can't develop more efficient tools and engine to get more out of their budgets for the game's infraestructure and minimize the stuff they need to cheap out because of this.
Nabbis
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(05-19-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rexatality

Nice job insulting Destiny fans, I guess

Well, i mean, if you go out of your way to get insulted by my comment despite it not being directed at anyone. That's kinda on you.

I don't think a person who considers us to be lucky to buy their products is a "fan". A drone would be more accurate.
The Omega Man
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(05-19-2017, 06:16 PM)
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You fail Luke, Mangod would have given us dedicated servers
Poltergust
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(05-19-2017, 06:17 PM)
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The most offensive thing about this interview is the IGN interviewer saying "RIP the dream" in real life.
Sarcasm
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(05-19-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by ctw0e

I'm not comparing how they work ... Do I need to know their networking implementation inside out in order to criticize their decision on this matter? Not sure what your point is.

I'm saying Psyonix made the right choice, and I find it amusing that a company with infinite resources can't do the same.

Originally Posted by josecitoxnyo

Nothing of this post makes any kind of sense. lol. You don't have any kind of context of how both games work, their requierments server side, their networking implementation and requierements, etc.

It's just a blatant rant.

It makes sense, just google Psyonix (rocket league yo). RL is pretty fast paced action which sucks with medium to high latency.
enzo_gt
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(05-19-2017, 06:18 PM)
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That was a really bad response. Just in general, not necessarily with the additional knowledge that they could afford it.
MightyHedgehog
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(05-19-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

1UP Luke Smith steps through a time vortex and spits in Bungie Luke Smith's face.

Pretty much what I imagined while I read that answer.
jennetics
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(05-19-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by opricnik

This.

Bungie still thinks gaming is stuck X360 era making halo 3 or something. Their all recent creations shows this. 30 fps, no dedicated servers,late pc ports.


wow gtfo with that shit i will rather buy CoD WW2/FarCry or Battlefront 2

not like i am short on games

You're still supporting Activision's shitty practices either way...

I'm not buying day 1 regardless of the server-type. Going to wait this one out for a bit!
BajiBoxer
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(05-19-2017, 06:20 PM)
Well, that's really disapointing. Don't care what features, tweaks, and balancing you do. Not going to bother with a 30fps p2p mode competitive mode.
Pattycakes
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(05-19-2017, 06:21 PM)
an example of what you can come to expect without dedicated servers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3II...ature=youtu.be

also for added fun the community over a year ago on dedicated servers...
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG..._wellbalanced/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...s_system_when/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...ll_never_work/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG..._to_implement/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...s_of_hours_of/

It's a problem for sure.
Ragnaroz
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(05-19-2017, 06:21 PM)
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Shame, I was really excited for Destiny 2, but Bungie dropped two bombs on my hopes yesterday. This and delayed PC version. Not so sure I'll get the game anymore.
Stallion Dan
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(05-19-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Won't be worth playing. The first certainly wasn't with how bad the connections were.
KrM DeLorean
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(05-19-2017, 06:23 PM)
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Pretty pathetic, considering how much money they had to be raking in on overpriced cash shop cosmetics. You would think they would invest in dedi servers to show the pvp dudes who have been keeping D1 alive on twitch some love. Disappointing, but you have to remember Bungie have been saying for years that PvP is casual focused, no matter how much the community begs them to balance otherwise.
GreyWind
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(05-19-2017, 06:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pattycakes

an example of what you can come to expect without dedicated servers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3II...ature=youtu.be

also for added fun the community over a year ago on dedicated servers...
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG..._wellbalanced/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...s_system_when/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...ll_never_work/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG..._to_implement/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...s_of_hours_of/

It's a problem for sure.

OMG that first clip was so much bs
Van Bur3n
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(05-19-2017, 06:25 PM)
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Considering this and a number of other factors, I'm starting to feel they're cheaping out on this game.

It's making me less interested in the product.
josecitoxnyo
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(05-19-2017, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by KrM DeLorean

Pretty pathetic, considering how much money they had to be raking in on overpriced cash shop cosmetics. You would think they would invest in dedi servers to show the pvp dudes who have been keeping D1 alive on twitch some love. Disappointing, but you have to remember Bungie have been saying for years that PvP is casual focused, no matter how much the community begs them to balance otherwise.

EXACTLY! Are they evil for doing that? NO, people need to stop trying to shape the game to something it won't ever be. The sooner they understand that, the faster they'll be playing a game tailored to their needs.
JareBear
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(05-19-2017, 06:27 PM)
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This is absolutely unacceptable. They made shit-tons of money with Destiny. They can't afford servers? GTFO here
killroy87
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It's a bit weird that they didn't have an answer for that prepared ahead of time. Some PR dude somewhere messed up.
Mesoian
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(05-19-2017, 06:27 PM)
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So money. Got it.

It's still super disappointing.
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Kthulhu
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Originally Posted by constantstatic

Cod has dedicated servers and uses a hybrid system so if you live far from a server it looks for p2p matches.

Here are the locations shown in a YouTubers netduma router.

https://youtu.be/qIE2q56LA-4

I was told IW had P2P (at least on PC). My mistake.
Foxxsoxx
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(05-19-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by jelly

They never bothered to try as I thought.

I also remember why I don't like Luke Smith much, PR I know but it grates.

What else do you expect him to say? His Activision masters wouldn't let him?

You know the devs would like to but it isn't there choice. Damn you Activision, DAMN YOUUUU!
CarbonFire
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(05-19-2017, 06:30 PM)
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I can't recall any positive experiences with P2P on PC.

The lack of fixed hardware always leads to wildly variable experiences based on the power of the other players' machines (even ignoring the normal bandwidth issues).

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