ss_lemonade
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Haven't seen any videos yet but how bad is the AF on standard PS4? Is it like FF 15 bad? 
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Digital Foundry - [4K] Horizon Zero Dawn In-Depth Tech Analysis
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DemonCleaner
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amazing work John. all things considered would it hurt to call it the best looking open world game out and not "one of the best looking"?
Apparently it's surprisingly good. Above the norm.Haven't seen any videos yet but how bad is the AF on standard PS4? Is it like FF 15 bad?
edit: maybe not. See below.
chromatic9
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The clouds movement looks fantastic but there's no cloud shadows or light variation cast on the ground or mountains in the time-lapse which sticks out a lot, not that it matters. Think even Project Cars has cloud shadows, can't remember exactly.
HDR is excellent in this game. It's just what you would hope.
ss_lemonade
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vpance
Member
There are cloud shadows, but they're faked and only show up on distant terrain.
Nah, that's not true. It is actually pretty poorly implemented on base PS4. On PS4 Pro it is better but also not really great.
Samurai G0SU
Member
so beautiful.
... Really? I mean really? Smh...
This game. This fucking game. Astonishing. And I agree, a number of reviewers have called it "one of the best looking open world games", too. Really? What else even comes close? It's one of the best looking games ever made, full stop.
DangerMouse
Member
Jeez, that 4K footage is insanely gorgeous.
Yeah, it's pretty great to hear that even whatever video is sprinkled around for the game will be in 2160p/4K. They really went all-out.
Yeah, it's pretty great to hear that even whatever video is sprinkled around for the game will be in 2160p/4K. They really went all-out.
I haven't been following this closely but in the last two DF videos it looks like grasses, tree branches and leaves, and plants in general, move a lot in the Pro footage but hardly seem to move at all in standard PS4 footage. Do both consoles actually have the same animations for plants?
Thanks for the feedback. I'm also in the market for a 4K HDR TV right now so anything related interests me. I know it's difficult to convey anything HDR in youtube vids, but I would certainly be grateful if you guys at DF can share your opinion on HDR implementation per title when you can.
ScaryShark
Banned
+1
It's going to be increasingly relevant and important. If 4K UHD movie disc reviews can go in-depth with a review of its implementation I hope game reviewers can as well.
I find this refreshing to be honest. It's nice to see the gaming press gush on very rare occasions, especially DF. The tit for tat narrative gets very dull.
I kind of agree.
Loved the video. It reminded me a bit of the tone of the DF Retro videos with John talking about a game he's obviously enthusiastic for.
The 4k prerendered video and 60fps menus are great little touches that show Guerrilla's attention to detail in regards to tech.
I also think this is the best approach for a Pro enhanced game. Full 2160 checkerboard, improved textures, and improved AF. Combined those all have a huge impact on image quality but the base PS4 version is still in great shape. I hope we see more efforts like that outside of Sony's first party.
The 4k prerendered video and 60fps menus are great little touches that show Guerrilla's attention to detail in regards to tech.
I also think this is the best approach for a Pro enhanced game. Full 2160 checkerboard, improved textures, and improved AF. Combined those all have a huge impact on image quality but the base PS4 version is still in great shape. I hope we see more efforts like that outside of Sony's first party.
Very rare occasions? DF do it in many of their videos just usually not quite as blatantly as in this one. An analysis is not supposed to be an ad, nor is it supposed to be a review. It shouldn't feature a reporter's personal opinion so heavily but rather concentrate on actual objective facts like (in this context) framerate, frame pacing, resolution, what kind of technologies are being used, bugs or glitches, etc. I cringe a little inside every time they start waxing poetic about how beautiful they think a certain game looks in one of their analysis videos.
dr guildo
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Hmm, I'm on WD2 at this moment, what a gorgeous open world too... I wouldn't be surprised if people chose WD2 as best looking open world over HZD, quite frankly, Ubisoft has achieved something great with this game, and the water is very convincing :
WatchDogs2Goodness said:
icecold1983
Member
open world nothing comes close
The IQ and lighting of some shots is not that hot , and the people who are saying that HZD is the "best looking open world game " its because its delivering those graphics with a stable framerate and full package its delivering, imo.
dr guildo
Member
Yeah, IQ is not that terrible on screenshots, it is more impressive on motion. I'm playing on Pro, and IQ is quite good...
icecold1983
Member
IQ in WD2 on the pro isnt terrible(altho it is on base ps4 and somewhat on pc) but its nowhere near as good as horizon. i mean the base ps4 version of horizon has better iq than the pro version of watch dogs
icecold1983
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John said its very good
You hear that, dark10x? Stop being human with feelings and such, you make that poor guy cringe!
Got the game!
If anybody is interested, here are direct screenshot comparisons of the Pro resolution and the Pro performance mode.
Open a pair of screens in two new tabs and click back and forth for the best comparison:
High resolution mode:
Performance mode:
High resolution mode:
Performance mode:
High Resolution mode:
Performance mode:
As I see it, it's basically the same solution as Final Fantasy XV started out on Pro. One high resolution mode with texture and texture filtering improvements and one very stable 1080p mode without any other improvements.
If anybody is interested, here are direct screenshot comparisons of the Pro resolution and the Pro performance mode.
Open a pair of screens in two new tabs and click back and forth for the best comparison:
High resolution mode:
Performance mode:
High resolution mode:
Performance mode:
High Resolution mode:
Performance mode:
As I see it, it's basically the same solution as Final Fantasy XV started out on Pro. One high resolution mode with texture and texture filtering improvements and one very stable 1080p mode without any other improvements.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Man, I wish I'd gotten my copy before the weekend too
Gotta wait till Tuesday then the next weekend to give some dedicated time to it.
Gotta wait till Tuesday then the next weekend to give some dedicated time to it.
I think it's already very stable, so why do we need another 30fps mode? Or is the performance mode unlocked?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So far its a locked 30. No apparent improvement in performance. However, I think it might just be a 'prelude' patch, them testing the system. I wouldn't be surprised with unlocked performance in a future patch.
It's already stable 99% of the time in the high resolution mode. The performance mode I guess is 100% perfect 30fps all the time.
I uploaded some photomode screens in the screenshot thread by the way.
You hear that, dark10x? Stop being human with feelings and such, you make that poor guy cringe!
It's not a review or an opinion piece so their personal opinion isn't the point of these videos and it shouldn't factor into them. They're free to voice their opinions elsewhere but if you call a video an analysis, then that's what it should be. Excuse me for having higher standards than you.
Sad Affleck
Member
I think he's trying to inject a bit more personality to the video so I don't mind. The facts are all there, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with calling the game beautiful.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Tbh, the performance mode locks the game to 30 FPS while resolution mode barely dips below 30 FPS. The problem is Resolution mode has higher resolution but not just that, the performance mode doesn't improve graphics,on the contrary textures and foliage get reduced:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02...n-vs-performance-1080p-screenshot-comparison/
Like the article states:
The snow and rock texture rock better in resolution mode between pic 3 and 4
The foliage hanging in distance look more detailed in resolution mode between pic pic 9 and 10
http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02...n-vs-performance-1080p-screenshot-comparison/
Like the article states:
The snow and rock texture rock better in resolution mode between pic 3 and 4
The foliage hanging in distance look more detailed in resolution mode between pic pic 9 and 10
get the flip over it. If you don't like john expressing his viewpoints, don't watch DF.
Get the eff out of here with that "higher standards" garbage. That holier than thou attitude is the problem.
Equanimity
Member
Regular PS4 doesn't use a dynamic resolution, it's locked at 1080p.
If all the facts are there then what the fuck is the problem? Just ignore the bits where he so wrongly expressed his views. Isn't the whole point of the techniques they use to make a game is to make it look visually appealing and run well. So what's wrong with using words that describes what it looks like when all that tech is brought together.
I'll take high res mode, especially when performance is near identical. I really can't tolerate badly filtered textures.