iJudged
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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)
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TheRagnCajun
Member
Just last week he was talking about the 'balance' of xbone with Crytek. He's nowhere close to being off the hook, although I generally find this article agreeable.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
We haven't been able to trust reviews for years, in my opinion.
freenudemacusers
Member
Maybe this is a different Leadbetter.
KennyLinder
Member
Some people can't tell the difference or are ignorant to it. How many threads to we get on here where someone will say "I can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 frames second", or indeed "1080p and 720p". We get game reviews where nobody complains about slow down anymore, remember that in SNES game reviews? Or crashes? It's never mentioned these days as it's acceptable.. Well we tolerate it more
If a writer on CVG is saying there is no difference then they basically lose all credibility. Either no integrity or they have no clue what they're talking about.
NoirVisage
Banned
Because why..?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Imagine if they hadn't upclocked the CPU.
lol
edit: Yes, I know it didn't add much at all.
lol
edit: Yes, I know it didn't add much at all.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I didn't know Richard had it in him. Good for Richard. This is a good analysis of the situation I think.
iJudged
Banned
I was going to get both eventually . They could care less what's what, they're dad's in their late 30s, family people with jobs who game for fun. Not fanboys.
Swarming101
Member
I find the decision to use ESRAM at all mind-boggling after we saw last generation how much of a pain the Cell architecture was for Sony's PS3. Microsoft had a big advantage last gen in that it generally had better multi platform performance because of the difficulty many developers faced learning how to code for the PS3. It seems they did not recognise this advantage when building the Xbox One, while Sony clearly and vocally did.
Speaking of Gies, where are all of those comparison screenshots he said he'd show?
That's my stance as well - I couldn't make out any glaring mistakes in the article.
Both points were made on GAF for months just to be "ridiculed" or belittled by Albert et al...
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Haha
Buying something because of the name on the box alone is fanboyism regardless of someone's age or marital status.
He's put like a whopping 4 XB1/PS4 screens in his BF4 review. With this hilarious comment:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/29/5040656/battlefield-4-review
Exactly
64 MB of ESRAM should have been the way to go but it would have raised the BOM significantly
iJudged
Banned
Someone answer my initial damn question, I forgot what I asked, jeezzz...Buying something because of the name on the box alone is fanboyism regardless of someone's age or marital status.
Of course it will. Even the Wii U sold really well at launch.
Maybe this will mean people won't scoff at GPU differences in the future outside of the obvious clock rates, etc. and realize there's much more to them than that.
The fact that some journalists still don't know why the differences exist for multiple reasons is sad enough as it is and it will never go away this generation short of the developers not bothering pushing the PS4.
The fact that some journalists still don't know why the differences exist for multiple reasons is sad enough as it is and it will never go away this generation short of the developers not bothering pushing the PS4.
ChainsawFilms
Member
Yet another narrative change, and 1080p on the XBone is just a matter of time. Only it's not, as 32mb is never enough for a 1080p framebuffer unless you use an older style, forward renderer. It doesn't fit, without copying data back and forth to the DDR3, at which point performance plummets. That's never going to change. It always comes back to the ESRAM and DDR3, irrespective of the rest of the GPU disadvantages, the memory architecture is the biggest issue for 1080.
I appreciate Forza is 1080p, but that will be the exception, as it [looks to me] to be a rather basic rendering engine, custom written, obviously. When you start looking at multiplatform titles, you're really stuck. If you write a custom renderer purely for the XBone, you lose out on the multiple effects and post-processing we've come to expect [and which will just become more complicated and impressive as we move forwards]. There's a reason Deferred is so popular, it's a great way to handle lights. You'd be trading in lights / post processing / whatever to get resolution.
Possible we'll see lots of compromises and "approximations" of effects on PS4/PC, and obviously things will improve a little. I think 900p is about the limit on a deferred renderer.
Why people are so surprised there's an immediate gulf in the visuals I don't know. It was there in black and white from the start. It's just going to get larger as time goes on....
FairXchange
Member
Well at the very least he's admitting he was off base with his earlier predictions of hardware being similar in graphical output.
Why most of Gaf was aware and adamant of tangible differences in power before him is beyond me, maybe he was just thinking positively.
Why most of Gaf was aware and adamant of tangible differences in power before him is beyond me, maybe he was just thinking positively.
Feture parity int erms of gameplay with the PC, sounds right, right?
The graphics are not on par, the PS4 is definitely not running on"Ultra" settings on PC, nevermind resolution.
uncharted86
Member
He's hard at work in Photoshop as we speak.
The space on the die you have to sacrifice for it makes the die itself more expensive to be precise (larger die == lower yields + higher cost per die).
plasmawave
Banned
So devs are already complaining that esram 32mb is not enough...
Well, yeah, but you worry about that after you decide which console to buy.
"Better graphics" for $100 less is quite a notable point, and is not insignificant to the consumer at all.
Nocturno999
Member
It's common knowledge now. He has no choice but to stop the damage control or burn his reputation.
I think it's all of the above.
haha, I missed that one...
I'm convinced their "secret" sauce is the scaler. They thought their scaler would be good enough that people wouldn't be able to tell that the games weren't running native 1080p.
Obviously not the case.
Eurogamer bringing in some journalistic integrity. Edge, Polygon, IGN etc, take note.
Don't the PS4 and Xbox One use the same scaler? Via the GPU?
Don't the PS4 and Xbox One use the same scaler? Via the GPU?
Micromegas
Member
You'd have to REALLY love Halo at this point.
ThePowerofX
Banned
If Mark Cerny is to be believed—and there is no reason he should not—PS4 was designed to allow developers to unlock more power with each passing year, as they slowly begin taking advantage of unique customizations (e.g. asynchronous compute, hUMA).
Development tools are always being improved and, if anything, PS4 has more space to grow than Xbox One.
"It is a powerful and accessible system and it has a deep feature-set to support the ongoing development and evolution of gaming itself." — Mark Cerny
Yeah.
MS just thought it would be good enough to compensate for being unable to run native 1080p.
This is just a guess on my part but I can't think of anything else that would qualify as "secret sauce."
Muppet of a Man
Member
I'm seriously sick of people equating a higher resolution to increased sharpness. It's two completely different things. One is an actual increase in the raw visual data on the screen. The other is a technique to artificially accentuate detail. They are not the same, and they don't look the same.
Some people can't tell the difference or are ignorant to it. How many threads to we get on here where someone will say "I can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 frames second", or indeed "1080p and 720p". We get game reviews where nobody complains about slow down anymore, remember that in SNES game reviews? Or crashes? It's never mentioned these days as it's acceptable.. Well we tolerate it more
If a writer on CVG is saying there is no difference then they basically lose all credibility. Either no integrity or they have no clue what they're talking about.
Well yeah that's just it. I get it when people say they can't tell the difference. But they are not professional gaming journalists. They may not have the right set up for example and may not see a lot of high end video gaming. But I'm sorry, no. I just do not believe that Gies of all people cannot tell the difference.
Easy. As soon as MS gives devs access to dGPU with better tools + cloud - PS4 is toast. 4k patches WILL happen on Xbox One. Its MS's plan all along. Why else the media NDAs until launch? They are planning a big surprise.
anexanhume
Member
You can't spell "Multiple Platforms" without PS Four.
Yep. I dont know why this missinformation keeps getting brought up.