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Bumhead · Mar 9, 2012

I think people criticising the visuals here need to take a step back and consider what it will actually look like on the Vita. In the same way that people who see Uncharted screenshots in the captures thread really have no idea how good that game looks on the Vita itself by contrast.

Looks good enough to me. Can't wait to replay these.

Criminal Upper · Mar 9, 2012

No crouch-walking?

Psssh.

pa22word · Mar 9, 2012

Crakatak187 said:
You could skip cutscenes you know. .

Then what's the point? Seriously now. If you're compromising half the game to compensate for playing it on the go then what is the point in playing it on the go?

Why would I want a portable Metal Gear Solid?

Play Peace Walker. Small, bite sized missions and limited mostly optional story make for a good HH title.

I just do. I don't question what you want or do

T_T

Seriously bro?

orioto · Mar 9, 2012

TheWednesday said:
I think people criticising the visuals here need to take a step back and consider what it will actually look like on the Vita. In the same way that people who see Uncharted screenshots in the captures thread really have no idea how good that game looks on the Vita itself by contrast.

I'm sick with this talk.
Vita screen is awesome but you can clearly see what's ugly on it. The screen is huge and you'll see every defect on a game, for sure.

ss_lemonade · Mar 9, 2012

I was expecting this to look just as clean as the 360/ps3 versions at native res. Was I expecting too much from the vita?

I think people criticising the visuals here need to take a step back and consider what it will actually look like on the Vita. In the same way that people who see Uncharted screenshots in the captures thread really have no idea how good that game looks on the Vita itself by contrast.

I only tried the demo of Uncharted and the how it looked on the screenshot thread, was how it looked on my vita (blurry and jaggy). Heck even my brother who doesn't really care about these things regarding IQ asked me why it looked really dirty.

JORMBO · Mar 9, 2012

Looks a bit odd...kind of blurry?

Solid warrior · Mar 9, 2012

TheWednesday said:
I think people criticising the visuals here need to take a step back and consider what it will actually look like on the Vita. In the same way that people who see Uncharted screenshots in the captures thread really have no idea how good that game looks on the Vita itself by contrast.

Looks good enough to me. Can't wait to replay these.

It looks beautiful off-screen.

Unknown One · Mar 9, 2012

pa22word said:
Then what's the point? Seriously now. If you're compromising half the game to compensate for playing it on the go then what is the point in playing it on the go?

To play the actual game and not watch cutscenes if you wanted to. These games are not MGS4.

pa22word · Mar 9, 2012

georaldc said:
I was expecting this to look just as clean as the 360/ps3 versions at native res. Was I expecting too much from the vita?

You're expecting something to look as clear as 1280x720 on a system that can't even display 1280x720. For that reason alone I'd say yes, yes you were expecting a little too much.

That being said, it definitely could look better.

Crakatak187 said:
To play the actual game and not watch cutscenes if you wanted to. These games are not MGS4.

MGS3's intro alone consists of about 30 mins of cutscenes, followed by 4ish screens and about 25 mins of even more cutscenes.

Ridley327 · Mar 9, 2012

georaldc said:
I was expecting this to look just as clean as the 360/ps3 versions at native res. Was I expecting too much from the vita?

I don't think you were expecting too much, but it does seem like there's some development issues across the board when it comes to hitting native res and maintaining all the bells and whistles. One can hope that this is just growing pains in the first year and not a long-term issue.

Hunter-Zero · Mar 9, 2012

orioto said:
I'm sick with this talk.
Vita screen is awesome but you can clearly see what's ugly on it. The screen is huge and you'll see every defect on a game, for sure.

Indeed, this IQ issues are a real shame, because the vita screen is gorgeous, but big enough to see every single graphical defect.

Uncharted for example is a damn mess in the IQ department, yeah, the machine is pushing some great graphics and effects, but the IQ is so damn bad that ruins almost everything, for me at least, blurrynes and jaggie-fest all around.

Risk Breaker · Mar 9, 2012

orioto said:
I'm sick with this talk.
Vita screen is awesome but you can clearly see what's ugly on it. The screen is huge and you'll see every defect on a game, for sure.

I think he's talking about how, at least in my case, the screens look almost 4 times bigger on my computer than on my Vita.

This doesn't seem to be as bad as Uncharted at all.

Unknown One · Mar 9, 2012

pa22word said:
You're expecting something to look as clear as 1280x720 on a system that can't even display 1280x720. For that reason alone I'd say yes, yes you were expecting a little too much.

That being said, it definitely could look better.

MGS3's intro alone consists of about 30 mins of cutscenes, followed by 4ish screens and about 25 mins of even more cutscenes.

I just skip, I already know what happened. If I want to watch I will just watch it.
Don't forget there are VR missions. You want bite sized just play those.

Portugeezer · Mar 9, 2012

orioto said:
This, it looks like psp upresed for me, and i don't get that...
If the Vita is soooo easy to develop for, and we get some Wipe Out with perfect AA and awesome geometry, why this...

Yeah I don't understand. PS2 graphics up res'd, come one it should be native 544p.

Oni Jazar · Mar 9, 2012

Anyone care to explain how the transfarring will work between the Vita / PS3 versions?

SykoTech · Mar 9, 2012

Amir0x said:
wow why even have that 3DS game @_o

But....crouch walking. ;_;

Skilletor · Mar 9, 2012

pa22word said:
Then what's the point? Seriously now. If you're compromising half the game to compensate for playing it on the go then what is the point in playing it on the go?

Playing the game > watching the game.

I've played them before. I don't give a damn about the cutscenes. Playing it anywhere will be awesome.

Ridley327 · Mar 9, 2012

Oni Jazar said:
Anyone care to explain how the transfarring will work between the Vita / PS3 versions?

The Vita versions will have an option of taking your PS3 save and being able to play from there. They haven't mentioned any real specifics beyond that, but I would have to think that we won't be running into the trophy issues that Peace Walker had if you transferred a save file started on the PSP.

KageMaru · Mar 9, 2012

Other than the jaggies, which wouldn't be this apparent on the smaller screen, it looks great. I may double dip on this when I get a Vita.

dark10x said:
That said, a solid 30 fps would still be a huge improvement on the 3DS version which runs between 15-20 fps most of the time.

Wait wat? 0_o

Does it run any better in 2D mode? Kind of depressing the 3DS couldn't keep a decent frame rate on a PS2 game.

Portugeezer · Mar 9, 2012

KageMaru said:
Other than the jaggies, which wouldn't be this apparent on the smaller screen, it looks great. I may double dip on this when I get a Vita.

Wait wat? 0_o

Does it run any better in 2D mode? Kind of depressing the 3DS couldn't keep a decent frame rate on a PS2 game.

The PS2 version had framerate problems itself, i.e. Kojima don'tgiveafuck.

ss_lemonade · Mar 9, 2012

pa22word said:
You're expecting something to look as clear as 1280x720 on a system that can't even display 1280x720. For that reason alone I'd say yes, yes you were expecting a little too much.

Shouldn't it look as good as long as the game runs at native res (plus AA if possible)?

orioto · Mar 9, 2012

After looking back at the screens i think there is something wrong about them, cause you have many different iq... You have AA blurred screens, no AA nativ rez blurry ones, no AA sub-rez really blurry ones, and even sharp subrez ones... something weird.

I guess this is something of a mess like the 3ds version, with different setting for cut scenes and gameplay..

dark10x · Mar 9, 2012

It looks similar to the PS2 version but has more jaggies and lower resolution textures it seems. We have to see it in motion though to see how it performs frame-rate wise.

Ha ha, oh no, the PS2 version definitely has more jaggies and runs at an overall lower resolution. Textures here are exactly the same as the PS2 and HD versions (no texture changes were made in any version).

pa22word said:
You're expecting something to look as clear as 1280x720 on a system that can't even display 1280x720. For that reason alone I'd say yes, yes you were expecting a little too much.

That being said, it definitely could look better.

Well, 960x544 on a screen with a high DPI looks much cleaner than 1280x720 on a 1080p display so it definitely could have appeared much sharper.

Wait wat? 0_o

Does it run any better in 2D mode? Kind of depressing the 3DS couldn't keep a decent frame rate on a PS2 game.

No, it runs the same in both modes and is extremely choppy. I picked it up this week as part of the TRU sale as I was curious about the final game and, yeah, it's really bad. It also lacks motion blur, depth of field, and other similar effects so it looks choppy and super pixelated.

beril · Mar 9, 2012

so it doesn't run in native resolution; not much of a HD port then... does it even have higher resolution than the original?

Oni Jazar · Mar 9, 2012

Ridley327 said:
The Vita versions will have an option of taking your PS3 save and being able to play from there. They haven't mentioned any real specifics beyond that, but I would have to think that we won't be running into the trophy issues that Peace Walker had if you transferred a save file started on the PSP.

This video seems to have details but it's in Japanese. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9OH_ryCnU&feature=player_embedded#

gofreak · Mar 9, 2012

Anyone with a Vita can check out this thread on their Vita to get a better idea of how it'll look.

It looks a lot better there compared to my PC screen, that's for sure. The colours most notably (it looks very washed out on my monitor - not so on Vita), but the image quality too. The aliasing around the hair in picture 8 looks BAAAD on my PC, for example, but is pretty much imperceptible on my Vita.

Takamura-San · Mar 9, 2012

gogogow said:
short answer, yes!

16:9 resolutions

960x540 = qHD
1280x720 = HD
1920x1080 = FHD
2560x1440 = QHD
3840x2160 = QFHD
7680x4320 = UHD

15360x8640 = BBQHD

Anyways, Screens look good.

cannot wait.

Ridley327 · Mar 9, 2012

Oni Jazar said:
This video seems to have details but it's in Japanese. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9OH_ryCnU&feature=player_embedded#

Man, the box art is awful. I really hope we get a different one in the US.

EDIT: Oh good, it will do it over wi-fi and on the cloud.

gutterboy44 · Mar 9, 2012

Sold. Have wanted to replay MGS2 for a while now and never played MGS3. Perfect fit for the Vita. Wasn't too impressed by the screen shots but once you watch the video of it all in action, looks way better. Can't wait.

flipswitch · Mar 9, 2012

Not too worried about the screens.Why?, well they're Vita captures which look terrible on the computer and will look no where as bad when playing on the Vita.

Chittagong · Mar 9, 2012

Crap, I was hoping for a HD dual stick Peace Walker

KageMaru · Mar 9, 2012

dark10x said:
No, it runs the same in both modes and is extremely choppy. I picked it up this week as part of the TRU sale as I was curious about the final game and, yeah, it's really bad. It also lacks motion blur, depth of field, and other similar effects so it looks choppy and super pixelated.

That's disappointing, thanks

Risk Breaker · Mar 9, 2012

dark10x said:
Ha ha, oh no, the PS2 version definitely has more jaggies and runs at an overall lower resolution. Textures here are exactly the same as the PS2 and HD versions (no texture changes were made in any version).

Weren't some textures actually improved on MGS2 HD? I'm talking about things like the green signs here or the drawings that can be seen here

Criminal Upper · Mar 9, 2012

Chittagong said:
Crap, I was hoping for a HD dual stick Peace Walker

Buy the console version?

dark10x · Mar 9, 2012

Risk Breaker said:
Weren't some textures actually improved on MGS2 HD? I'm talking about things like the green signs here or the drawings that can be seen here

Nope. From what I've seen the textures look exactly the same across all versions.

Rollo Lawson · Mar 9, 2012

looks like PW tbh

VALKYRAY · Mar 9, 2012

HD collection? More like SD collection at best.

Strike · Mar 9, 2012

Looks good. As long as the framerate holds up, I'm in.

Oddduck · Mar 9, 2012

Vita's screen has high resolution, but these screenshots look really blurred.

Talon · Mar 9, 2012

Those textures.

Solid07 · Mar 9, 2012

TheWednesday said:
I think people criticising the visuals here need to take a step back and consider what it will actually look like on the Vita. In the same way that people who see Uncharted screenshots in the captures thread really have no idea how good that game looks on the Vita itself by contrast.

Looks good enough to me. Can't wait to replay these.

The game looks amazing on Vita no doubt, but the question is why would you want to play cinematic games on a smaller screen when you can play on a big screen instead?

The real question is, when will we see a TRUE Vita Exclusive MGS game?

Ridley327 · Mar 9, 2012

Rollo Larson said:
looks like PW tbh

Maybe if you pretend there's a screen door filter applied to all of the screens.

dark10x · Mar 9, 2012

Talon- said:
Those textures.

...are the same as the originals and the HD re-release.

AgentOtaku · Mar 9, 2012

Strike said:
Looks good. As long as the framerate holds up, I'm in.

Exactly

I'm actually okay if MGS3 is 30fps. Still looks wonderful (DAT timeless art) and trophy huntin' on the go/on the potty, only sweetin's the deal

Also, if they're doing transfaring wirelessly, then holy shit that would be amazing.

Still sad they haven't gotten it up for Peace Walker =(

Meier · Mar 9, 2012

Graphically a bit underwhelming in some of those shots to be honest but I'll probably pick it up. Hopefully it's discounted from regular price like the PS3 version was.

Oemenia · Mar 9, 2012

Solid07 said:
Meh. Some great games like MGS 2 and 3 should stay on the systems where you can hook up to big screens. When you port cinematic games to handhelds, something doesn't seem right.

Not to mention PS3/360 versions are far superior. But that's just me.

The screen is big and good enough so that you can still get a cinematic experience (provided you use headphones and stay in the same place for a while).

codhand · Mar 9, 2012

Oni Jazar said:
This video seems to have details but it's in Japanese. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9OH_ryCnU&feature=player_embedded#

Something about a cloud and a pelican in that video, not sure though.

AgentOtaku · Mar 9, 2012

Meier said:
Graphically a bit underwhelming in some of those shots to be honest but I'll probably pick it up. Hopefully it's discounted from regular price like the PS3 version was.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus also looked underwhelming in press shots

Natively on the Vita though, that IQ is so damn clean

54-46! · Mar 9, 2012

Still waiting for the PC version.

ReturnOfTheRAT · Mar 9, 2012

Double dip time.

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